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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 6, 2017 18:04:52 GMT
So, at the Palace theatre Manchester over the next couple of months you can see Spamalot, with a cast you’ve never heard of, cruddy set (if the last tour is anything to go by) and an ‘orchestra’ consisting of three musicians and a mini-moog for £49 top price.
For a fiver more you can see Sunset Boulevard, full cast, decent set (matter of opinion) and a 16 piece orchestra.
Hows that work then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 19:19:00 GMT
I know, it’s like near me I can see an Am Dram version of Parade. I first saw it at the Donmar some years ago, and it didn’t do a lot for me back then if I’m honest. I dare say it would do even less for me now with a local chap (nice voice but without Bertie Carvel’s talents) in the main part, an ever so slightly too old woman playing his wife, and some enthusiastic sixth formers as the chorus. I’m not even mentioning the contraption rigged up by the local school caretaker for the lynching scene. For this they want £17 for the Saturday matinee. For the evening there is a price increase. It’s £18.
Now I can see something at the National Theatre of Great Britain as part of the Travelex season for £15! I mean, it’s probably a production from the bargain bin (Common, anyone...?) but you know... the National Theatre and all that...
I know how it works before anyone tells me. But it just doesn’t work for my pocket.
I’m with you, Burly.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 6, 2017 19:32:54 GMT
At least the NT is subsidised and sponsored, I suppose that explains that, but these touring shows that ATG put on. I don’t get it. And there’s none of your London dynamic pricing going on. Apart from ATG card opening night offers and the odd tenner off for the ones that are really bombing, you pay that price.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 6, 2017 22:14:28 GMT
Yeah, my local theatre offers touring productions at not much less that West End prices, and no discounts/lottery bargains. It's usually cheaper for me to see stuff in London.
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Post by dippy on Oct 6, 2017 23:25:17 GMT
I've come to that conclusion too kathryn it's usually so much cheaper to get a cheap good seat in London than watching touring productions. Why should I watch a tour where I have to pay a significant amount more for a similar seat or sit in a much worse seat for the same price.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 7, 2017 8:39:27 GMT
If its a quality production people will pay it, only two seats left in the stalls for Monday's Sunset at Newcastle.
For the same tour that's been around year after year after year? I don't think so. If there's not a half price ATG ticket discount I probably won't go anymore. I don't mind paying the money for quality but a lot of these tours aren't quality.
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Post by crowblack on Oct 7, 2017 9:29:14 GMT
I presume it's to do with subsidies - the Guardian report from a couple of years ago: "combined Department for Culture, Media and Sport and ACE spending amounts to £68.99 per head of population in London and £4.58 in the rest of England."
I go to small studio productions or previews and Liverpool can be slightly more expensive than the same show when it tours Manchester (last year, £16 for a studio show that was £12 in Manchester), so I presume Manchester has better subsidies. Wish List was £12 at the Royal Exchange in Manchester (that was full price - they also do concessions), £25, I think, at London's Royal Court. In those cases I presume the main house ticket prices (Playhouse, RX, Home, RC) also subsidise small / new studio plays with young companies.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 7, 2017 12:30:28 GMT
My puzzlement really related to how shows of which would appear to have vastly lower costs (Spamalot) can charge almost the same price as one with much higher production values. Have we got to the point where there is a market rate for a touring production that the producers believe will be tolerated by the customer, or is it just that some producers are greedier than others? Or does the producer charge a higher price because they know they won’t sell as much, in which case why bother putting it on?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 14:16:20 GMT
Have we got to the point where there is a market rate for a touring production that the producers believe will be tolerated by the customer This has more or less always been the case, otherwise the producer would be leaving money on the table. Unfortunately, some customers have been proved willing to pay daft prices in recent years. An economically rational producer would charge the amount they think would bring the most money to the theatre. In a 1,000 seat room, it would be £5k better for them to sell 500 tickets at £50, than 1,000 at £20. If it's a niche show, where dedicated supporters would be happy to pay a premium, but dropping the prices wouldn't necessarily bring in many casuals to the theatre, then higher prices would make sense to them. The producers also have the advantage, that unlike Burly, most punters won't be aware of the quality of the sets and the size of the orchestra before the event. In a hall with empty seats, greed wouldn't come too much into it (there would be a fairly steady actual maximum amount of money a Spamalot tour could ever hope to make, however it is priced) - that would be reserved for occasions when you're guaranteed a sell out, and it's a question of just how much you can bleed people for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 14:23:28 GMT
an ‘orchestra’ consisting of three musicians and a mini-moog for £49 top price. They could at least have given the musicians one instrument each.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2017 16:39:12 GMT
Agree with all the above comments - my local ATG theatre prices are ridiculous and almost at West End levels without the deals. I see far more in London that I do locally.
To add to the thread however, I have noticed that even fringe venues in London are charging more and more. The Menier is well known for its high prices but a recent visit to Hair at the Vaults Theatre cost me £30 for an appalling view of the stage (reduced from £55!) The programmes were £6 too - for a fringe venue under a railway line which was very evident throughout the performance! I will not return!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 17:09:09 GMT
I do think some producers are greedy. Nimax are producing Everyone Is Talking About Jamie in London. There are no big names in it as far as I am aware and from my understanding there’s no big set or any other extraordinary production costs. Yet the prices are right up there with some of the bigger shows. I know that theatres are a business but it seems that these high prices are set to test the water, to see if those not In The Know will buy whereas some of us more savvy customers will wait for a deal.
I also agree about our fringe venues here in London. As has been said before, it’s sometimes better to wait for a Menier show to transfer to a West End theatre, where it won’t look as sqidged on the stage and when there are often discounts to be found.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 13, 2017 7:11:14 GMT
Over £200 for a BoM ticket? You’ve got to be kidding. They didnt spend that much on the entire set!
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Post by daniel on Oct 13, 2017 7:17:24 GMT
Especially re Spamalot, the simple answer is because they think they can get away with it. They don't want their cheap productions to be seen as cheap, so they charge the same or nearly the same price as the competition. It's a dangerous path to tread because there will be people who pay £50 to go and watch Spamalot and think "this is crap" who then won't pay £50 to see anything else there ever again because they'll assume that Spamalot is the quality level.
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Post by anita on Oct 13, 2017 9:18:53 GMT
Have you seen the prices at the Arts theatre for "All or Nothing"!
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 13, 2017 12:29:08 GMT
Leeds Grand has started using the strapline "The West End in West Yorkshire". They've also started charging West End prices.
Including the compulsory booking fee, top price for Wicked next summer is £70.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 13, 2017 12:56:09 GMT
£81.50 for Manc. And you can hike that up to £96.50 if you want a nibble box and a glass of warm wine included.
Disgusting,
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Post by daniel on Oct 13, 2017 13:03:02 GMT
£97.50 for Matilda in Manchester! And more seats at that price than in the West End!
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 13, 2017 13:23:45 GMT
Goodness, I genuinely had no idea. Kinda makes £70 look a bargain. (They also ask if you want to make an additional donation.)
I blame all them footballers and Cheshire housewives!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:52:36 GMT
£81.50 for Manc. And you can hike that up to £96.50 if you want a nibble box and a glass of warm wine included. Disgusting, What blithering idiots think £15 is a fair price to pay for a nibble box and a glass of warm wine?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 13, 2017 15:01:04 GMT
£81.50 for Manc. And you can hike that up to £96.50 if you want a nibble box and a glass of warm wine included. Disgusting, What blithering idiots think £15 is a fair price to pay for a nibble box and a glass of warm wine? You get access to The Ambassador Lounge too. Sounds like a 1970’s massage parlour. “Always a happy ending at the Amassadors Lounge”.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 15:02:31 GMT
Sounds like a 1970’s massage parlour. “Always a happy ending at the Amassadors Lounge”. Probably worth £15 if it were, tbf.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 13, 2017 17:39:44 GMT
Leeds Grand has started using the strapline "The West End in West Yorkshire". That's an ATG venues thing. Sunderland Empire say they're the West End of the North East.
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 13, 2017 19:39:52 GMT
Leeds Grand has started using the strapline "The West End in West Yorkshire". That's an ATG venues thing. Sunderland Empire say they're the West End of the North East. I wonder what the New Wimbledon Theatre uses? Since "The West End of London" is already taken!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 13, 2017 20:24:51 GMT
The West End Of Wimbledon?
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