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Post by tmesis on Sept 29, 2017 5:57:52 GMT
Having read the novel and also seen the film several times, I find the reveal as to whodunnit, really unsatisfying
Another one is The Murder of Roger Ackroyd which is considered to be her cleverest denouement. I think you can only carry misdirection so far without feeling cheated.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 29, 2017 8:11:28 GMT
I was a huge fan of her novels years ago and set about reading and collecting every one of them (I think she wrote 79) and made it harder for myself by only searching for ones with cover art by Tom Adams. I almost made i before an interest in less solitary pursuits took over. She uses a handful of tricks repeatedly in different ways. I often reached the end of the book with the feeling that I’d read that solution somewhere else. Messing about with time is a favourite ruse, watches being reset etc. I remember who the killer is in MOTOE but can’t remember all the detail so will enjoy it on that basis.
Death on the Nile is a favourite of mine. Mia Farrow as the deranged rejected girlfriend stalking her ex and his new wife around the sights of Egypt. Fab.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Sept 29, 2017 8:34:21 GMT
Death on the Nile is a favourite of mine. Mia Farrow as the deranged rejected girlfriend stalking her ex and his new wife around the sights of Egypt. Fab. Saw it yesteday! Angela Lansbury, Maggie Smith, Bette Davis, Mia Farrow... just wow
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Post by crowblack on Sept 29, 2017 9:22:47 GMT
My favourite of the films is Evil Under the Sun, just delicious, but some of the TV Poirots and Marples are excellent too - Murder is Easy has an amazing cast, great high summer atmosphere and doesn't have an annoyingly wooden comedian as the detective (some of them do) - instead we get Benedict Cumberbatch. The Mark Gatiss-scripted Poirot Halloween Party is another wonderfully atmospheric one - it looks like it was filmed in a misty Oxfordshire Autumn and there's a death, early on, that's pure League of Gentlemen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 9:35:01 GMT
Having read the novel and also seen the film several times, I find the reveal as to whodunnit, really unsatisfying Another one is The Murder of Roger Ackroyd which is considered to be her cleverest denouement. I think you can only carry misdirection so far without feeling cheated. I think the rule of a whodunnit, unlike any other crime subgenre, is that a reader *should* be able to work it out themselves from the provided clues. It doesn't need to - and indeed shouldn't! - be obvious, but you should be able to re-read it with frequent cries of "oh, of *course*!". Roger Ackroyd is DEFINITELY a cheat.
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Post by Elisa on Sept 29, 2017 13:41:34 GMT
Then maybe I'm very odd, but, of all the Christie's novels I've read so far, "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" was the only one where I could guess the murderer before the denouement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 13:43:55 GMT
"Guess" though, not "work out".
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Post by joem on Sept 30, 2017 17:02:25 GMT
Despite his many talents Peter Ustinov simply wasn't suited to the part.
Albert Finney was hammy playing Poirot? OMG!!! And there I was thinking Poirot is an old ham himself....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 17:14:09 GMT
I actually really love Peter Ustinov as Poirot. I think possibly because he was the first one I ever saw and I just adored 'Death On The Nile', 'Evil Under The Sun' and 'Appointment With Death'. Albert Finney and David Suchet came afterwards for me.
It's the same with Miss Marple. As much as I love some of the other actresses who have played her, it's always Joan Hickson as she was the first I saw.
Hickson and Suchet are the definitives though I think.
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Post by Rory on Sept 30, 2017 19:23:54 GMT
I actually really love Peter Ustinov as Poirot. I think possibly because he was the first one I ever saw and I just adored 'Death On The Nile', 'Evil Under The Sun' and 'Appointment With Death'. Albert Finney and David Suchet came afterwards for me. It's the same with Miss Marple. As much as I love some of the other actresses who have played her, it's always Joan Hickson as she was the first I saw. Hickson and Suchet are the definitives though I think. Totally agree with Ryan. Evil Under the Sun is very hard to beat!
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Post by crowblack on Sept 30, 2017 22:52:38 GMT
Roger Ackroyd is DEFINITELY a cheat. They have a go at the Agatha Christie character in 'Murder by Death' for this very crime (if you haven't seen it, do - it's not always as funny as you'd hope, but an amazing cast and worth it for Maggie Smith saying 'oh, that's tacky!' which someone really needs to gif)
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Post by Jan on Oct 1, 2017 8:25:51 GMT
Liberties with the plot? So they can do better than Agatha can they? Is there anyone in the potential audience for this who doesn't know the original outcome ? To make it vaguely interesting they'd have to change it a bit. Albert Finney is an odd actor, presumably he was still active but wasn't actually in anything for decades. Tom Courtney was a bit like that too until he made a return in recent years.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 1, 2017 14:08:17 GMT
This had passed me by until I happened to see the trailer yesterday; now I'm sure it will reappear so frequently that it'll drive me mad as all trailers and ads do after a couple of viewings. It looked like an indigestible Euro-pudding and I had no idea who was playing Poirot (or rather, was concealed behind the excessive facial foliage) until I then noticed this thread. Well, so many others have had a bash, why not Mr Branagh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 14:26:39 GMT
So it was the premiere last night. Mixed reviews for the film but . . . You're welcome.
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Post by jampot on Nov 3, 2017 15:57:50 GMT
Mr Kermode has given it a big thumbs up!
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 3, 2017 18:28:28 GMT
Because of the chat about the new movie version of "Murder on the Orient Express", I watched the David Suchet version last night. It is brilliantly done, but I still missed that brilliant Richard Rodney Bennett music. I think I can resist the Branagh version. That moustache though!!!
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Post by Rory on Nov 9, 2017 0:05:23 GMT
Saw this tonight and was a little disappointed. I can't quite figure out why but it lacked the verve of the old Ustinov movies. Poirot became an action figure at times and there was a clumsy reference at the end to another Christie yarn shoehorned in (which I very much doubt is in the novel). A great cast had little to do and overall it wasn't a patch on the 1974 version, especially the denouement.
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Post by alicechallice on Nov 9, 2017 0:45:02 GMT
Saw this tonight and was a little disappointed. I can't quite figure out why but it lacked the verve of the old Ustinov movies. Poirot became an action figure at times and there was a clumsy reference at the end to another Christie yarn shoehorned in (which I very much doubt is in the novel). A great cast had little to do and overall it wasn't a patch on the 1974 version, especially the denouement. I saw it tonight too & was rather bored. Judi barely had anything to do but I did enjoy Olivia Colman speaking German. And all the theatre hotties spotting - Michael Rouse, Elliot Levey, Hadley Fraser, Adam Garcia. There was even a role for Mrs Jacobi.
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Post by alicechallice on Nov 9, 2017 0:46:37 GMT
So it was the premiere last night. Mixed reviews for the film but . . . You're welcome. Did I mention he held a door open for me once?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 9:03:24 GMT
Did I mention he held a door open for me once? You did and you'd do well not to keep reminding me you lucky thing. I may look like butter wouldn't melt but I bear a grudge.
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Post by showgirl on Nov 9, 2017 9:32:52 GMT
I saw it yesterday, not with huge enthusiasm but because OH and I were out for the day and he was catching up with a film I'd already seen and it was this or others with even worse reviews for me.
It actually proved a perfectly pleasant way to pass a couple of hours indoors, with a free hot drink and biscuit (I went to a PH Silver Screen performance, which meant paying, whereas I could've seen it free with Curzon but not in Brighton), and the experience at that cinema was surprising and interesting, which was a bonus.
I'd never been to that one before (though a Duke Of Yorks visitor for years) and at the London equivalents I've often found those performances poorly - sometimes very poorly - attended. In Brighton however, not only are they apparently very popular but this one sold out shortly before the start, so the usual latecomers weren't only trying to find seats in the dark but some were encumbered by walking sticks or their limited mobility.
That said, the behaviour was excellent: no talking, texting, eating or drinking that I noticed, although the infirm lady who had struggled in late to take the empty seat next to mine promptly fell asleep and snored for a while - perhaps she was exhausted from her efforts.
Reading the posts above I did not recognise some of the actors' names (e.g. Tom Bateman, Elliot Levey) or did, but hadn't recognised them in the film,so had to check to see which character they had played (Hadley Fraser, Adam Garcia).
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Post by kathryn on Nov 10, 2017 9:08:22 GMT
Saw this last night. Perfectly pleasant way to pass a couple of hours and I did enjoy playing spot the stage-actor. Plus Sir Chuckles lives up to his name.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 13:21:50 GMT
I saw this with my 12 year old niece last week. She wanted to see it for the period costumes and makeup. I am afraid she was very badly behaved - rustling sweet packets, interesting questions and comments on the action in stage whispers. I gave up giving her warning looks and the people in front were very tolerant. I nodded off a few times (hope I didn’t snore). Thought it was ok.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 12, 2017 16:08:20 GMT
Just listened to a rather lovely chat with Sir Kenny on the Happy, Sad Confused podcast. He talks about MotOE, HiddleHamlet and Hamlet generally, his work at RADA, and working with Paul Scofield early in his career.
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Post by Jon on Nov 13, 2017 0:05:17 GMT
It's a solid film with a great cast. I knew the outcome but it's very fun to watch Poirot worked it out, I did have a 'of course' moment when Mrs Hubbett is revealed to be Linda Arden, it didn't occur to me that Michelle Pfeiffer was old enough to play a Grandmother but in 1934, it would have been common Did anyone notice the blatant product placement for Godiva, that briefly took me out of the film.
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