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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 16:21:11 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Sept 19, 2017 16:29:42 GMT
Someone who's passion is film moans about not having intervals in the theatre!? And how many shows go for 2 hours and 45 minutes without an interval!?
Anxiety over the actors forgetting lines is just ridiculous then again it's about what I'd expect from Coren.
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Post by crowblack on Sept 19, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
It's an insult. How the hell are 3 people who are themselves lukewarm about theatre going to 'sell' it to a mainstream audience who already feel it's rather middle class and elitist? Coren tweeted me that he's not a art critic but is going to talk to people who are! God, what is going on in the BBC's heads? Still, glad to know their supposedly-tight budget stretches to employing food critics to talk to theatre critics about plays, art critics about paintings or whatever.
As someone else pointed out, can you imagine the BBC employing someone to host Match of the Day who hadn't been in a football stadium for years, and sounded resentful about being made to go for what is presumably a well-paid gig?
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Post by crowblack on Sept 19, 2017 16:47:48 GMT
how many shows go for 2 hours and 45 minutes without an interval Yes! And the one who said that was the one of the trio who is supposedly the arts enthusiast! The longest I've heard of recently was the Ostermeier Richard III at 2hrs 30. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:22:54 GMT
I think Shenton tweeting was the highlight of this. New Statemen have now waded in on how theatre folks are actually THE WORST www.newstatesman.com/culture/music-theatre/2017/09/defence-bbc-front-row-presenters-who-don-t-theatreI mean honestly yeah, they have a few valid points about seats, toliets and whatnot. And we all like a good moan, but the difference being us lot, and a lot of unpaid critics out there (hello) or underpaid ones, are not being paid a BBC (Male presenter) salary for talking about it. I don't like bloody Excel spreadsheets but I suck it up and use them because it's part of my job. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2017 18:41:10 GMT
I think Shenton tweeting was the highlight of this. New Statemen have now waded in on how theatre folks are actually THE WORST www.newstatesman.com/culture/music-theatre/2017/09/defence-bbc-front-row-presenters-who-don-t-theatreI mean honestly yeah, they have a few valid points about seats, toliets and whatnot. And we all like a good moan, but the difference being us lot, and a lot of unpaid critics out there (hello) or underpaid ones, are not being paid a BBC (Male presenter) salary for talking about it. I don't like bloody Excel spreadsheets but I suck it up and use them because it's part of my job. Don't people like Coren realise most theatres are quite old hence why toilets are in limited supply and seats aren't comfortable but sitting for long stretches of time isn't comfortable so he should suck it up! Same with those complaining about when they start and finish, it's live theatre and I imagine the times are done for the majority not the minority! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:42:10 GMT
Jon I'm pretty sure football stadiums aren't the most comfortable places in the world either but people who love football suck it up!
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Post by d'James on Sept 19, 2017 18:45:31 GMT
We should make something like Jack's Subway Tush (Will & Grace fans) for Giles's sensitive backside! A knitted one in Theatreboard colours!
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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2017 18:47:34 GMT
Jon I'm pretty sure football stadiums aren't the most comfortable places in the world either but people who love football suck it up! I imagine Coren would moan that too! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:47:49 GMT
We should make something like Jack's Subway Tush (Will & Grace fans) for Giles's sensitive backside! A knitted one in Theatreboard colours! I'm quoting this to applaud that A-plus Will & Grace reference. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 19, 2017 18:51:30 GMT
We should make something like Jack's Subway Tush (Will & Grace fans) for Giles's sensitive backside! A knitted one in Theatreboard colours! I'm quoting this to applaud that A-plus Will & Grace reference. It's one of my go-to reference points haha. What's the British equivalent of 'tush?' Giles's Theatre ___________?? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:52:43 GMT
I'm quoting this to applaud that A-plus Will & Grace reference. It's one of my go-to reference points haha. What's the British equivalent of 'tush?' Giles's Theatre ___________?? Arse, the word there attached to Giles is arse  |
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Post by d'James on Sept 19, 2017 19:00:58 GMT
It's one of my go-to reference points haha. What's the British equivalent of 'tush?' Giles's Theatre ___________?? Arse, the word there attached to Giles is arse Maybe it should have a picture of his face on it; he'd enjoy that! ;-) |
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Post by kathryn on Sept 19, 2017 19:23:28 GMT
I think the problem is not so much the complaints about seats and loos as that they've managed to pick people who obviously know very little about theatre, care even less, and don't go very often.
I know we take the piss out of Shenton's moans (even when we largely agree with them!) but he *is* incredibly passionate about theatre. He complains because he cares, not as an excuse to not go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 19:28:02 GMT
Exactly- it's the 'we don't care' attitude. If the moaning was coming from a place of 'let's make this better so everyone wants to come' then that's different (which I think in his heart of hearts is where ole Shenton comes from, he does really want people to like theatre too)
I just think there are so many people, indeed probably many a BBC presenter who genuinely do love theatre and would have bitten an arm off for that gig and it's a shame that for sports we get people who do have genuine passion and experience in the sport but the arts is relegated to 'we didn't have anything else for them to do'
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Post by crowblack on Sept 19, 2017 19:47:06 GMT
probably many a BBC presenter who genuinely do love theatre Gary Lineker! He wrangled a quote from Escaped Alone into Match of the Day recently. No really, he did! |
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Post by kathryn on Sept 19, 2017 19:53:38 GMT
No joke, Lineker's been spotted at the theatre quite regularly over the years!
And I seem to recall a rugby commentator making a Coriolanus reference during the Donmar-Hiddleston run a few years ago (I think it was Hadleigh Frasier or Mark Gatiss who tweeted about that at the time).
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Post by crowblack on Sept 19, 2017 19:54:04 GMT
Btw, I have never noticed a queue for the men's bogs in theatres! Women, always, men's, never. Last Friday we ran out of the Philharmonic to the Philharmonic pub over the road - famous for its loos - because the queue in the venue was right round the staircase, but the Phil is probably a listed building so alterations difficult.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 19, 2017 19:56:05 GMT
Only time I can recall the queue for the men's being longer than the ladies' was My Night With Reg in the West End.
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Post by crowblack on Oct 1, 2017 15:26:48 GMT
The second episode was better - no Giles Coren, for starters. Nikki Bedi comes across as a sharper, more engaged presenter and the debate was lively.
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Post by tmesis on Oct 1, 2017 19:13:10 GMT
The second episode was better - no Giles Coren, for starters. Nikki Bedi comes across as a sharper, more engaged presenter and the debate was lively. Yes it was better than with Coren but we had to suffer the imperious Churchwell and the over-excitable Eshun. Also they are terrified the audience might get a bit bored so everything is treated superficially with too many short items; a bit like an arty-fatty version of the One Show but with less rigour. |
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Post by crowblack on Oct 1, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
the imperious Churchwell and the over-excitable Eshun I liked the discussion - the presenter hadn't started out by being rude to the studio guests, as Coren did last week, but it was basically TV snacking. I wish the BBC would at least stick their old Arena and Omnibus programmes online - instead, when people post them on Youtube from old VHS, the BBC take them down. |
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Post by tmesis on Oct 1, 2017 20:40:57 GMT
The early days of Late Review were good when chaired by Mark Lawson with the three Ps -
Pearson (Alison)
Parsons (Tony)
Paulin (Tom)
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Post by crowblack on Oct 1, 2017 21:31:36 GMT
Downside of Late Review was that the reviewers always seemed to gleefully give away plot twists and endings to films or novels for which they'd had advance screenings/copies and the rest of us hadn't even had a chance to get hold of yet. Mark Kermode is wonderful because he understands that surprise and discovery are key to enjoying a story, respects his listeners, and never gives away too much. |
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Post by tmesis on Oct 1, 2017 22:39:33 GMT
Apart from Kermode's film reviews the actual review show where a number of critics are paid to read/watch/listen to books/plays/concerts etc. Has almost died out. They preview things and interview people involved in cultural projects (this is a euphemism for 'plug') but rarely discuss something they've just experienced. Front Row on the radio has largely abandoned this and we are just left with Saturday Review which, although sometimes way too up itself, is usually intelligent, interesting and fairly in depth.
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