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Post by d'James on Sept 6, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
Using less and fewer interchangeably. It's everywhere on broadcast media, which makes me concerned at how many don't realise that there's a difference between them. Yes, and 'amount' and 'number' similarly. What annoys me is when people use 'I' when they mean 'me': over-correction. So they say 'This is a present from my wife and I' or 'He showed David and I the letter' when in both cases it should be 'me'. Yes. People overusing 'myself' too.
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Post by hulmeman on Sept 6, 2017 22:24:04 GMT
Yes, and 'amount' and 'number' similarly. What annoys me is when people use 'I' when they mean 'me': over-correction. So they say 'This is a present from my wife and I' or 'He showed David and I the letter' when in both cases it should be 'me'. Yes. People overusing 'myself' too. Oh for sure d'James. "myself", "yourself" drive me mad. When I worked as a call centre manager I heard it everyday and it made me fly into a rage. The number of people I have bollocked for using it! I threatened to discipline someone for continually using the expressions and I was bollocked for being over zealous about it's useage.
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Post by bimse on Sept 6, 2017 22:33:25 GMT
Starting every sentence with "So...." Where has that come from ?
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Post by bimse on Sept 6, 2017 22:39:52 GMT
Could of... Would of... Should of... There's a chap on here who does it constantly. I can only agree with the above. Also putting apostrophes where they don't belong .
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 6, 2017 22:52:01 GMT
I wasn't going to join this thread but I have to commend d'James and hulmeman for raising the incorrect use of "myself", "yourself", "ourselves" etc. But it is not overuse, it is just plain wrong, and the sad thing is that the people wrongly using these pronouns should really know better. I get the impression that people now think that using "me" or "us" sounds impolite and that it is more courteous to use "myself" and "ourselves", which it is not.
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Post by hulmeman on Sept 6, 2017 23:02:02 GMT
I wasn't going to join this thread but I have to commend d'James and hulmeman for raising the incorrect use of "myself", "yourself", "ourselves" etc. But it is not overuse, it is just plain wrong, and the sad thing is that the people wrongly using these pronouns should really know better. I get the impression that people now think that using "me" or "us" sounds impolite and that it is more courteous to use "myself" and "ourselves", which it is not. That is the feedback I got when taking people to task. They thought that the suffix "self" made it sound kinder.
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Post by d'James on Sept 6, 2017 23:27:19 GMT
I wasn't going to join this thread but I have to commend d'James and hulmeman for raising the incorrect use of "myself", "yourself", "ourselves" etc. But it is not overuse, it is just plain wrong, and the sad thing is that the people wrongly using these pronouns should really know better. I get the impression that people now think that using "me" or "us" sounds impolite and that it is more courteous to use "myself" and "ourselves", which it is not. Thank yourself! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
Would of and your used instead of would've and you're are two of my huge bugbears.
A few years back, an intelligent older work colleague once received a rather aggressive e-mail from a younger colleague. He didn't respond to the context of the e-mail but sent it back highlighting all the grammar mistakes and "Until you can converse properly, don't converse with me"
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Post by d'James on Sept 6, 2017 23:28:12 GMT
That sounds a hell of a lot ruder than it was meant to. I was just trying to illustrate the misuse of -self.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 0:03:38 GMT
Have noticed particularly amongst Americans a tendency to say that they *could* care less when they mean couldn't. Don't know why but it drives me insane. I was about to post just this. They always meant "couldn't" but sometimes are quite forceful in defending that they *think* they meant "could".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 0:05:35 GMT
The name thing is very easy. If people shorten me to Matt, which they often do when first introduced, I just say No, it's Matthew. Same on email. You have to nip it in the bud right at the start, you can't go a month down the line then cringingly say 'actually, I usually don't go by Matt'. I'm not really into correcting people on their English. I don't think most people make mistakes on purpose (some do, despite being corrected numerous times for reasons unknown) but names are unforgivable. I'm actually shocked that you have a real name. Doesn't everyone just call you Burly?
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Post by showgirl on Sept 7, 2017 4:00:14 GMT
There is a really bad habit in these parts to pluralise usually brand names but all sorts. Tesco = Tescos, Asda = Asdas, Costa = Costas. Absolutely. People seem not to understand that you only add an "s" if it's possessive, i.e. the store name is a real name, rather than an invented brand. I always say "Sainsbury's" but "Tesco" etc.
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Post by showgirl on Sept 7, 2017 4:05:22 GMT
I also wince at "didn't used to" - no, it's either "used not to" or "didn't use to" - and I've seen this in respectable broadsheets, so what hope is there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 4:58:11 GMT
If people shorten me to Matt, which they often do when first introduced, I just say No, it's Matthew. I wonder if this is a problem that all Matthews have, because I get this all the time.
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Post by tmesis on Sept 7, 2017 6:01:38 GMT
When leaving Leafy Surrey to further my interest in the business we aficionados call show, at the end of my train journey I am forced to listen to this recorded gem:
'You are now approaching your final destination, London Waterloo, where this train terminates.'
A journey can terminate, a train cannot (well not in the sense they mean.)
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 7, 2017 7:07:21 GMT
That sounds a hell of a lot ruder than it was meant to. I was just trying to illustrate the misuse of -self. If that comment was meant to refer to: 'Thank yourself' then I thought it was brilliant and I roared with laughter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 7:20:39 GMT
I hate it when people insist on applying non-rules of English: you mustn't end a sentence with a preposition, you mustn't split an infinitive, you can't use they as a singular pronoun. Language Log calls it "prescriptivist poppycock".
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Post by infofreako on Sept 7, 2017 8:33:28 GMT
Starting every sentence with "So...." Where has that come from ? So, how are you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 8:39:50 GMT
The name thing is very easy. If people shorten me to Matt, which they often do when first introduced, I just say No, it's Matthew. Same on email. You have to nip it in the bud right at the start, you can't go a month down the line then cringingly say 'actually, I usually don't go by Matt'. I'm not really into correcting people on their English. I don't think most people make mistakes on purpose (some do, despite being corrected numerous times for reasons unknown) but names are unforgivable. Exactly- there's little excuse for getting names wrong (aside from inital mispronunciation). But I'm curious at those here with a long list of complaints, do you actually correct people when they speak to you? I've said before in similar discussions I find the whole nitpicking for superiority points largely distasteful- as Burly says few people are doing it intentionally. This level of critique also doesn't leave room for regional dialects etc as well- where do we draw the line? We have a long of 'Wenglish' ways of saying things here, especially for billingual people and word order/phrasing is often not 'proper' due to a combination of regional dialect and billinguallism- that isn't 'wrong' in my book and written English (or Welsh) would still be 'correct'. I'm all for teaching people correctly but just like my accent might drop the occasional 'H' or similar I don't see the harm in a bit of informal phrasing in spoken English either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 10:38:28 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 7, 2017 11:32:57 GMT
The one that comes to mind is the increasing use of "gotten" in British English. I dislike reading it even in American English but accept it is a valid word for Americans; however it should not be making so many appearances in British English. I agree with the previous comments on the use of "of" when it should be "have". In spoken English my biggest bugbear is the ridiculous overuse of "like", which we have already had a conversation about on here fairly recently.
Apropos the discussion on proper names, I have been asking my family to call me by my full name rather than a short version for the last 22 years but most of them still use the short version, to my annoyance.
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Post by lynette on Sept 7, 2017 11:41:43 GMT
"Bored of" irritates me. Ok with "bored by" or "bored with"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 11:44:01 GMT
I feel I should report myself for a violation of acceptable English. Unless stopped, I will insert the word "just" about 5 times into every sentence. The word has long since lost its actual meaning which means it can be placed absolutely anywhere and still make sense, so I end up writing things like "I just went to the shop on Tuesday to just see if they had any bread, but I just couldn't find any so I thought I'll just ask the man behind the counter. I just went up to him and he just put down his newspaper and said 'we're just out!' I just couldn't believe it."
Also I sometimes begin a sentence with a connective which I know is totally unacceptable. "I like Wicked, it's a great show. But if asked I'd say the casts haven't been as good lately." (I had to edit out three "just"s in that sentence before pressing send).
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 7, 2017 11:49:47 GMT
I confess I have a tendency to start sentences with "Just", though I don't usually then scatter multiple others through the sentence.
I've just thought of another thing that really bugs me: "How are you?" "Good". I'm asking about your well-being, not your morals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 12:04:31 GMT
I confess I have a tendency to start sentences with "Just", though I don't usually then scatter multiple others through the sentence.I've just thought of another thing that really bugs me: "How are you?" "Good". I'm asking about your well-being, not your morals. Sorry, I'm being harsh, you used it correctly to mean "it just happened" as opposed to "let's add a bit of decoration to this sentence"
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