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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 12:38:36 GMT
Another question: does this also apply to when we do a 'no show'? I've done it a couple of times, through not being able to give away the ticket in time. Sometimes it's been genuine 'life gets in the way' others it's 'no, I can't sit through that'
Again I can count on 1 hand the times this has happened but still... am I being rude?!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 29, 2017 12:47:36 GMT
Another question: does this also apply to when we do a 'no show'? I've done it a couple of times, through not being able to give away the ticket in time. Sometimes it's been genuine 'life gets in the way' others it's 'no, I can't sit through that' Again I can count on 1 hand the times this has happened but still... am I being rude?! DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ART!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 12:50:41 GMT
Another question: does this also apply to when we do a 'no show'? I've done it a couple of times, through not being able to give away the ticket in time. Sometimes it's been genuine 'life gets in the way' others it's 'no, I can't sit through that' Again I can count on 1 hand the times this has happened but still... am I being rude?! DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ART! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ART
I mean seriously I see a lot of theatre and 'Art' is a bloody generous description for some of it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 12:54:08 GMT
Another question: does this also apply to when we do a 'no show'? I've done it a couple of times, through not being able to give away the ticket in time. Sometimes it's been genuine 'life gets in the way' others it's 'no, I can't sit through that' Again I can count on 1 hand the times this has happened but still... am I being rude?! Same! Life happens, sometimes best laid plans go awry and you can't attend a show you really wanted to, sometimes you're ill and can't go, sometimes work gets in the way. And often those type of situations are at such short notice that it's impossible to give the ticket away in time. Equally I've had the odd occasion where I've accidentally double-booked myself and had to choose between two shows and try to give away the other ticket. I don't think any of that is at all disrespectful, and I don't think I owe the actors anything other than to not disturb the performance if I do go to the show. Leaving in the interval doesn't cause any disturbance whatsoever so I really don't see why it seems to be a problem for some people! If someone doesn't want to do it that's their prerogative, but it doesn't give them any right to judge those who do. Life's too short for bad anything, theatre included.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 29, 2017 15:22:08 GMT
Sometimes I've booked so far ahead that by the time it comes round I think "jeez what was I thinking" and can't really be arsed to go. So I don't. More disrespect
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 29, 2017 17:00:16 GMT
If you are in a small studio space (and part of a small audience) then the cast might well notice a couple of new gaps in the audience - but otherwise, they are unlikely to be taking that much notice of a few people not returning after the interval. They, indeed, will be concentrating on their performances rather than counting empty seats. Even if they do notice, then they can't be certain whether it was because someone has moved seats or has had bad news and returned home to deal with emergency or just hated the show so much that they can't cope with it any longer. Yes, there are cases like the RSC Marat/Sade when it was reported large numbers of people not returning after the interval - but these are few and far between. And at the end of the day, a cast often knows when they are in a dud. If audience members are leaving, it is likely that there are cast members who wish they could do the same! As a paying customer, an audience member is at liberty not to return after the interval. You have paid your money, if you are not being entertained then there is no disrespect shown by leaving. Making a fuss about getting up part way through an act to ensure that everyone around you knows that you are leaving is disrespectful. Occasionally you might miss an absolutely amazing second half - but if the production has failed to grip you during the first half, the fault is not with you for not wanting to waste any more of your life on a less than pleasurable experience. I always remember reading in Ken Mandelbaum amazing book 'Not Since Carrie', on when Merrily We Roll Along begun at the Alvin Theatre, the audience left at the interval in their droves and that is one amazing musical, one of Stephen Sondheim's best. I get the emotional argument that a customer has a right to leave, I disagree with it as a I find disrespectful to the cast. Like you I have stayed and suffered for the love of the art form and seen a stunning second half, Jeusalem springs to mind, which the second part put the whole show in context, but alas I have also suffered in the second half of shows I could have bolted from, so definitely swings and roundabouts. As I say there are several on here that wear it as a badge of honour that do bolt in the interval, I am not going to name them and I don't think they're on this thread, I find it rude, obnoxious and disrespectful . Well if someone chooses to leave in the interval it is down to them and their sense of entitlement, not something I would choose to do out of good manners to the actors. The only times I have left in intervals were when I was feeling sick, either due to the unpleasantness of the production or the theatre being boiling hot. Do you really think it would be more polite to the actors if I stayed & was sick or had a panic attack (because I'm phobic about being sick) in front of them? Obviously if you feel ill, it's given your not going to stay for the second part, if someone is disrupting my pleasure, I will opt to move somewhere else in the second part if possible. However if a performance makes you feel mawkish, the theatre is the wrong hobby for you, as it's not fair to the patrons around you. DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ART! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ART
I mean seriously I see a lot of theatre and 'Art' is a bloody generous description for some of it...
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 29, 2017 17:14:20 GMT
DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ART! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ART
I mean seriously I see a lot of theatre and 'Art' is a bloody generous description for some of it...
Sometimes I've booked so far ahead that by the time it comes round I think "jeez what was I thinking" and can't really be arsed to go. So I don't. More disrespect Let's keep this in context and be reasonable, we all know non show ups happen, illness, double bookings, personal problems and professional commitments can stop as all from going, it has happened to me, very rarely as I am very good at time management, but that is called life. But also it hasn't changed my opinion, as afar as it shouldn't be something you indulge on social media. Listen you can go through all my posts and you will never find that I have never fled in the interval and also I have never slated a professional actor who is non starring role or someone starring on the fringe, however if you are top of the bill in a professional production that is fair game, that's what you are paid for. I have seen some atrocious cringe worthy performances over the years, but have kept it firmly to myself and would never dream of slating an actor on social media, why? Because it's disrespectful and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
Ok in principle I agree. I would never (and have never) said anything personally insulting to an actor, writer or director on social media. At least not intentionally, and if I have and someone pointed it out I would be a) mortified b) apologetic.
But there is a difference in say slating how a woman playing Elphaba looks, and saying 'My god I couldn't sit through Wicked again if you paid me. I hated that music so much and there was no story' (example not my real thoughts)
One is a personal remark, the other is a comment on the 'art'.
My own take is I never say anything I wouldn't say to the face of those involved. So for example to cite my least favourite example, should I be locked in a lift with Mr Richard Bean and he asked my opinion on One Man....I'd politely tell him 'Sorry geezer but I hated it'
People put work out into the world expecting reactions and criticism. I am a critic and I think it's part of my job as one publishing reviews, but also the audiences to share their responses.
I also write plays, I'm expecting a feedback email complied of audience comments any minute. Some of them may be sh*tty, but you take that. Likewise I could have searched twitter for responses to my work and likewise seen sh*tty comments. And while I say people should be polite, that doesn't mean that they have to be NICE if nice means being fake.
But ultimatly Phantom, honestly what's the point of this message board if you feel so strongly we can't be critical?
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 29, 2017 18:01:36 GMT
The only times I have left in intervals were when I was feeling sick, either due to the unpleasantness of the production or the theatre being boiling hot. Do you really think it would be more polite to the actors if I stayed & was sick or had a panic attack (because I'm phobic about being sick) in front of them? Obviously if you feel ill, it's given your not going to stay for the second part, if someone is disrupting my pleasure, I will opt to move somewhere else in the second part if possible. However if a performance makes you feel mawkish, the theatre is the wrong hobby for you, as it's not fair to the patrons around you So you're saying that because I've seen 3 productions in 12 years of theatregoing that have made me feel sick then I should stop going to the theatre altogether? I find that a harsh comment. I do my best to avoid productions that I may find gruesome.
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Post by peggs on Jun 29, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
The only times I have left in intervals were when I was feeling sick, either due to the unpleasantness of the production or the theatre being boiling hot. Do you really think it would be more polite to the actors if I stayed & was sick or had a panic attack (because I'm phobic about being sick) in front of them? Obviously if you feel ill, it's given your not going to stay for the second part, if someone is disrupting my pleasure, I will opt to move somewhere else in the second part if possible. However if a performance makes you feel mawkish, the theatre is the wrong hobby for you, as it's not fair to the patrons around you. Mawkish? What's mawkish please?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 29, 2017 18:18:06 GMT
But there is a difference in say slating how a woman playing Elphaba looks, and saying 'My god I couldn't sit through Wicked again if you paid me. I hated that music so much and there was no story' (example not my real thoughts) One is a personal remark, the other is a comment on the 'art'. I have a slightly different take. 'I think the actress playing Elphaba is fat and ugly' - personal and not allowed. 'I think the actress playing Elphaba can't sing/can't act' - critical and allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 18:24:47 GMT
Mate that's LITERALLY what I was saying.
The way your piece above reads is that we shouldn't say anything negative about a piece of work. Which is frankly ridiculous.
I can think of exactly 1 person on this board who boasts about leaving. The rest of this thread was filled with people saying 'I kind of hate myself but...'
So i don't see where your sudden attitude about it is coming from?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 18:31:34 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone else see anything hypocritical in a person repeatedly criticising people for the gross crime of... well, criticism? In my experience, anyone who feels the need to tell you just how much they possess a certain virtue is very rarely a decent illustration of said virtue.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 29, 2017 18:31:41 GMT
Obviously if you feel ill, it's given your not going to stay for the second part, if someone is disrupting my pleasure, I will opt to move somewhere else in the second part if possible. However if a performance makes you feel mawkish, the theatre is the wrong hobby for you, as it's not fair to the patrons around you. Mawkish? What's mawkish please? I assumed Phantom meant either nauseous or squeamish & replied accordingly, as mawkish doesn't fit the context.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 18:34:34 GMT
Having *once* left a production due to illness, I can confidently state it was the norovirus that made me feel awful enough to leave, not the play itself. I'm still sad I never got to see the end. Although he may have meant nauseous or squeamish, I find it unlikely that in the vast majority of cases it's the play itself causing people to feel ill and leave. Even the Globe's Titus Andronicus fainting situation was grossly exaggerated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 18:40:30 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone else see anything hypocritical in a person repeatedly criticising people for the gross crime of... well, criticism? In my experience, anyone who feels the need to tell you just how much they possess a certain virtue is very rarely a decent illustration of said virtue. Indeed, indeed. Also the hypercritical nature of how we are allowed in exactly what parameters to be critical.
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Post by peggs on Jun 29, 2017 20:15:51 GMT
Okay well if markish did indeed mean squeamish or nauseous I'll wade in if I may. I'm squeamish, will hurriedly leave a room if someone starts talking about blood, sometimes have to have a quick sit down if I hurt myself and yet will happily watch hospital dramas. Now I try and apply some sense to my theatre going, I watched the globe titus filmed version on the basis that can't see myself ever seeing it live, recently returned ticket to the bush once the guards play was reported as bloody and try and make informed decisions. Some very helpful board members have shared info on plays so I can make a decision or be prepared and know at which bit i'll need to close my eyes and stick my fingers in my ears. I'd hate to disturb other theatre goers and try and plan for all eventualities, make sure I have plenty to eat and drink, wedge myself firmly in my chair so if I faint I won't fall onto anyone. But there are issues with this, there's a surprising amount of the red stuff in plays it seems to me, i'll be happily sitting minding my own business and suddenly someone is spewing the stuff all over the place. Or actually worse for me I think it might happen and go into panic drive. And i'll admit it's often completely irrational, a lear eye gouging scene has yet to bother me, I sat through corilanius and yet someone had a paper cut in the river and panic stations.
Then in the last year or so I've been diagnosed with a viral ear infection, it effects my balance and subsequently makes me feel very sick. It comes and goes but now I've had it, it's very unlikely that it will ever truly go. I can't predict when it might strike or how bad it might be. So again I try and plan, I take my little sickness pills with me, if I feel very bad i'll stay away but it's unpredictable, I can be fine and then very not in a matter of minutes.
And here's the rub, I love theatre, I am increasingly unimpressed and peeved with my head and my body for fighting me on this one but i'm damned if it's going to stop me. I will continue to always try and think of others and so far I don't think I've inconvenienced any other theatre goers, but I can't promise I won't and unless I plan on staying in for the rest of my life well sudden attacks of gravity and mentions of blood are inescapable.
Rant over. If mawkish didn't refer to this feel free to ignore, I believe I have a responsibility to be quiet, sit still and listen at theatre, I believe I should clap at the end (this can be short if I dislike it but i'd consider it rude to show any other outward sign of displeasure beyond a scowl and quickly folded arms). But I don't think I should change my hobby.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 29, 2017 21:05:41 GMT
peggs I really don't think that this thread is intended to be about people in your situation and I'm 100% sure that PoL isn't including you in his comments. Good luck to you and enjoy your theatre trips
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Post by peggs on Jun 29, 2017 21:47:27 GMT
Oh I get that the thread really isn't about that, I will jump back off my band wagon and if you're ever sat next to a somewhat twitchy person after someone's mentioned a paper cut you'll know it's me
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Post by daniel on Jun 30, 2017 1:50:10 GMT
I've only left at the interval once, and that was The Miser, what a pile of utter garbage that was. Still, didn't pay for the tickets so no sweat.
Ended up at the West End Unplugged Dreamgirls concert afterwards which I did pay for, and equally detested. Oh well, win some lose some.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jun 30, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
For the first time ever I did what I believe to be the exact opposite of this. I came late! Had tickets for Mitrade at the ROH for some time before my company booked a FUN day team building. So after spending day in open air building towers of crates, falling backwards like Eleanor Powell (don’t ask and yes the reference was lost on the others) and getting very wet building rafts and other “watersports” I headed off for 3 hours of pretty obscure Mozart.
Knowing there were two intervals allowed me not to rush to get there and to sit out the first 70 mins in a very comfy sofa just outside the auditorium. Oh the 40 winks were lovely and thus I was able to thoroughly enjoy the last two acts.
I know it was selfish of me not to tell my co to stuff it as I was going to some ART that evening. Perhaps I should have sent the cast some flowers to apologise for my inconsiderateness? Stood everyone in the amphitheatre a round for not being there with them? Best comment came from Mrs Snow. “It’s hot in there, the seating is as tight as usual, so I rather enjoyed having the extra space.”
PS Can't recall ever leaving early, though there were several I wished I had done.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Jun 30, 2017 19:03:22 GMT
From memory...
The Secret Garden (West Yorkshire Playhouse). This was just horrible. I left around 30 minutes in when they started singing about cabbages.
Wuthering Heights (Hull Truck Theatre). Laughable production. Entire show spoken in rhyming couplets, a cane which smashed in two on being banged on the ground once. Embarrassing. Went to the pub.
Cabaret (Bradford Alhambra). Wayne Sleep and Samantha Barks. Absolutely dreadful. I was so disappointed.
Shrek (Broadway). A week before closing, really not my cup of tea. Row of bored teens behind me kicking the back of our chairs and throwing M&Ms didn't help.
Les Miserables (West End). Another pre-cast show phoned-in effort. Sean Kingsley (ugh) as Valjean, an extremely bored looking Michael McCarthy as Javert.
Tamerlano (ROH). Domingo pulled out (as usual). Boring set, boring music, rubbish seats. Everything in black and white, it was like an opera in dog-vision.
Handful of dodgy Opera North efforts.
Sweeney Todd (Bolton Octagon). Began with the chorus dressed in gimp suits for no reason, with Sweeney's barber shop being reworked into an S&M dungeon. Yes, seriously. Would've stayed for the lolz but the singing was painful.
Show Boat (New London Theatre). Just wasn't feeling it.
Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (Adelphi). Rubbish!
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Post by kathryn on Jun 30, 2017 23:29:07 GMT
Trust me when I say that it's far less disturbing for people who are feeling unwell to leave than for them to stay and vomit on the stage.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 1, 2017 10:48:17 GMT
Cabaret (Bradford Alhambra). Wayne Sleep and Samantha Barks. Absolutely dreadful. I was so disappointed. Hideous wasn't it? This should have been on my list of ones I didn't leave, but should have.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Jul 1, 2017 22:54:04 GMT
Cabaret (Bradford Alhambra). Wayne Sleep and Samantha Barks. Absolutely dreadful. I was so disappointed. Hideous wasn't it? This should have been on my list of ones I didn't leave, but should have. Yes. If anything, it got worse. However, I *loved* Will Young in the following (proper) tour...
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