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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 9, 2017 20:43:11 GMT
Well, I'm obviously thick so could you spell it out please? And lastly a good election to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 20:48:35 GMT
Good news, I've another question! People's opinions on the DUP? The only way I can express my opinion of them, having grown up in that neck of the woods, can only be said in language far too rude to post on here. They are bigoted, narrow-minded and completely incompetent. "Coalition of chaos" pretty much sums it up. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 9, 2017 20:54:50 GMT
And lastly a good election to lose.
Said no one Ever. Nice try though I wrote an essay for an hour and that is all you come back with!! Thanks fella |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 9, 2017 20:56:47 GMT
Said no one Ever. Nice try though I wrote an essay for an hour and that is all you come back with!! Thanks fella I see what you mean though. We have seen May's abilities during the last six weeks. Terrible she is leading Brexit negotiations. Country deserves better |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 9, 2017 20:59:46 GMT
Good news, I've another question! People's opinions on the DUP? The only way I can express my opinion of them, having grown up in that neck of the woods, can only be said in language far too rude to post on here. They are bigoted, narrow-minded and completely incompetent. "Coalition of chaos" pretty much sums it up. I heard May had to be reminded Ruth Donaldson was a lesbian when she asked what is her beef with the DUP |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 21:16:31 GMT
I heard May had to be reminded Ruth Donaldson was a lesbian when she asked what is her beef with the DUP On BBC1's Question Time tonight, Armando Iannucci corrected me on the Democratic Unionist Party. The North of Ireland equivalent of the Tories is the Ulster Unionist Party, who lost their last remaining MP last night. The DUP is the extremist Unionist party founded by Ian Paisley. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 9, 2017 21:20:55 GMT
I suppose there aren't any other right wing parties for the Conservatives to form a coalition with so they have to take what they can get. Having looked up the DUP's policies I can't say I agree with all of them, especially their abortion stance, but at least they're pro-Union.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 9, 2017 21:25:48 GMT
I suppose there aren't any other right wing parties for the Conservatives to form a coalition with so they have to take what they can get. Having looked up the DUP's policies I can't say I agree with all of them, especially their abortion stance, but at least they're pro-Union. The terrorist sympathisers but at least they're pro-Union eh |
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 9, 2017 21:33:03 GMT
I suppose there aren't any other right wing parties for the Conservatives to form a coalition with so they have to take what they can get. Having looked up the DUP's policies I can't say I agree with all of them, especially their abortion stance, but at least they're pro-Union. The terrorist sympathisers but at least they're pro-Union eh Yes. Sinn Fein are terrorist sympathisers as much on the other side. That's Northern Ireland's political parties for you. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 9, 2017 21:43:47 GMT
The terrorist sympathisers but at least they're pro-Union eh Yes. Sinn Fein are terrorist sympathisers as much on the other side. That's Northern Ireland's political parties for you. I was talking about Teresa May |
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Post by easilypleased on Jun 9, 2017 21:51:55 GMT
Whatever your broader politics though Corbyn would be bad for theatre. In the shorter term higher taxes on higher earners would mean they would have less discretionary spend, and theatre going has to be one of the most marginal activities spend wise. There'd be fewer angels wanting to take a punt too. Medium term inflation would take off and again that would hit the theatre. Actors who vote Labour must be very altruistic because it would definitely hurt them if they ever got into power.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 22:33:48 GMT
Someone please correct me if I have the details wrong, but Labour proposed an additional 5& income tax on earnings above the first £80,000 per year. That's a marginal increase for the 5% of taxpayers who can most easily afford it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 23:26:51 GMT
Seems to me she's very lucky that she did ever so marginally better than the Exit Poll suggested. At their predicted 314, even the 10 DUP seats wouldn't have been enough. She would have just squeaked a working majority. 650 seats less the Speaker (can't vote) and 7 Sinn Fein (don't attend) gives 642 voting MPs. Half of 642 is 321, so you need 322 to have a working majority. So, 314 Tory (exit poll) plus 10 DUP would have given a working majority, just! But, as you say, even tighter than the actual outcome. For those who saw This House or who remembers 1977 to 79 we are in similar territory and governing could quickly become impossible. A bye election loss or two, someone falling ill, a defection away from a new election. In the meantime the opposition can run them ragged. Anyway, I'm so glad younger voters turned out, democracy is in trouble if only certain parts of society feel that it matters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 23:31:26 GMT
Getting into bed with them isn't a good look for the Conservatives though, and being part of a coalition no matter how informal will sadly legitimise the DUP (in their own eyes if no one else's) and ensures another five years of misery for women who want control over their own bodies or same-sex couples who just want the same legal protections as opposite-sex ones. A better government could have led to long overdue social change in Northern Ireland. This is not that better government. Hopefully the added exposure will cause the British public to realise how vile, backward and damaging to Northern Ireland the DUP are. DUP members and at least one of their MPs have links to loyalist terrorism. So are we going to get a big splash in the Mail and Sun about that one do you think? |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 10, 2017 1:18:36 GMT
Wasnt really the winner either, gained more seats than labour had pre election but not enough to make a real difference. Who knows what happens from here Not enough to make a difference?? Oh it is just starting I think.
I was hearing rumours of a majority of 60 from HQ at 9pm. Pretty down really after all that work and not the answer I was getting on the ground. Was going to pack up and have an early night sleep.
Then Bullingdon Boy announces the exit poll at 10pm and it is grab another beer. Strap in here. This is going to be a bumpy ride. A nights sleep missed on adrenaline and plenty of coffee today.
It's a beautiful evening after, I have baby gold finches and baby robins in the garden. And life is good.
Besides, a good election to lose this one...
Interested. I responded to your comment oh he wasn't a loser. Youve responded telling me why he wasn't but then ended your post with a comment that it was a good election to lose??? Which is it? |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 10, 2017 7:41:31 GMT
I believe it. It rings true. No one can know it was a lie. I believe it was a lie, but the fact that it was such an easily believable lie is a whole issue unto itself. I believe it was a lie, and that most people know deep down there's no evidence to support it, but it was such an entertaining lie against someone who was disliked by large portions of the population that they just didn't care if it was true or not. There's a phrase journalists use: 'too good to check'. A story that has inherent appeal and that they want to be true, don't want to check it out properly and find out that it's not. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 10, 2017 9:07:16 GMT
No one could say Theresa run a bad election campaign, you had to have a campaign in the first place, they didn't
How does this homophobic DUP sit with Ruth Davidson: Queen of Scots? How will Ken Clarke, Anna Sourby and a host of backbenchers work with this new government, this is the coalition from hell, they won't be able to inact law and any chance of getting any law, they will need to do deals with other parties and this includes Labour, who would want backing for their own laws, no such thing as a free lunch.
This election was meant to strengthen the government and deliever a weaker opposition, the exact opposite has happened.
Ms May hasn't shot herself in the foot, she has blasted her foot off and maybe her leg, she is a dead woman walking with a heavy limp.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 9:24:18 GMT
we now have CERTAINTY of choas
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 9:55:53 GMT
Conservatives would have been better off getting fewer seats than labour, they will have to try to govern whilst infighting and being hopelessly divided on policy such as Brexit, whilst labour can just complain and pick away whilst being able to iron out their own contradictions (presumably and necessarily).
This is what is meant by a good election to lose, the focus is not on the actual loser but the winner. Put another way, it's ana election that the conservatives will come to wish that they had lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 10:02:03 GMT
I guess we'll have another election in a few months time at further substantial cost to the taxpayer. I think the Tories will be punished further by the electorate.
History is not going to be kind to Theresa May.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 10:05:22 GMT
But Theresa May has always believed she is free to do all the Brexit negotiations without reference to the UK Parliament, so she can only be thwarted in that by either a vote of no confidence or a Tory Party leadership coup.
I agree that all the UK Parliament legislation will be chaotic, but she doesn't have any plans for much Parliamentary business anyway.
It's all about doing Brexit her way without consulting anyone, or at least attempting to do that before being shafted by the EU.
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Post by mallardo on Jun 10, 2017 11:13:51 GMT
Though I'm not a citizen here and cannot vote I'm vicariously thrilled that my district, Kensington, went for Labour after 3 recounts - by 20 votes! See, not everyone's posh in Kensington.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jun 10, 2017 11:16:22 GMT
TM said either "strong and stable" or "a coalition of chaos" - she has delivered a coalition of chaos! It would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so serious. There is a great play in this somewhere, but would it be a farce or a tragedy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 11:22:06 GMT
But Theresa May has always believed she is free to do all the Brexit negotiations without reference to the UK Parliament, so she can only be thwarted in that by either a vote of no confidence or a Tory Party leadership coup. I agree that all the UK Parliament legislation will be chaotic, but she doesn't have any plans for much Parliamentary business anyway. It's all about doing Brexit her way without consulting anyone, or at least attempting to do that before being shafted by the EU. Leadership coup? Surely not? (watches the news) Hold it, so May is being forced to sack her team otherwise there will be a leadership challenge? Who would have guessed that this was going to fall apart within days? (says nobody) |
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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 10, 2017 11:22:23 GMT
Tories looking more and more out of touch, especially TM. The best thing she could do is step down immediately.
Ruth Davidson is their only hope for the future in my opinion.
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