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Post by shady23 on Apr 13, 2018 19:49:29 GMT
He forgot the xxx
Tagging performers when you say something negative is rude. I agree with him.
Discussing ticket prices, productions and anything else is fair enough in my view.
Twitter is a discussion platform after all.
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Post by d'James on Apr 13, 2018 19:50:45 GMT
I don’t agree with the sentence ‘What gives anyone the right to tag folk in negativity, of any sort, ever.’ In an answer, Twitter does; it’s a place for opinions. I agree that personal attacks for no reason are unnecessary, uncalled for and rude but if someone said to him ‘I really didn’t like Heathers the Musical last year (or whenever it was) I wish you weren’t doing it again,’ I don’t see anything wrong with that. As I say, there are ways of saying things tactfully, but banning all negativity, ‘ever,’ seems a bit silly for someone running an experimental Theatre. |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Apr 13, 2018 19:53:48 GMT
Doesn’t seem like the way a professional producer of a West End theatre should be acting. Seems like toys are being thrown out of a pram and somebody should have breathed/ gone for a walk before typing.
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Post by stevej678 on Apr 13, 2018 19:55:31 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Apr 13, 2018 20:18:03 GMT
Doesn’t twitter have a function now that allows you to only see stuff from people you follow? Or verified users, anyway. Because I thought they’d made it so people in the public eye didn’t see every rando tweeting @ them or about them.
Having said that, if you’re putting your work out in public and you don’t want to see negative opinions about it or yourself you need to get off social media, or have the fastest ‘mute’ finger in the West. You cannot realistically expect to only see nice things.
Though of course it’s rude to tag people in your critical or negative comments.
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Post by d'James on Apr 13, 2018 20:30:40 GMT
Doesn’t twitter have a function now that allows you to only see stuff from people you follow? Or verified users, anyway. Because I thought they’d made it so people in the public eye didn’t see every rando tweeting @ them or about them. Having said that, if you’re putting your work out in public and you don’t want to see negative opinions about it or yourself you need to get off social media, or have the fastest ‘mute’ finger in the West. You cannot realistically expect to only see nice things. Though of course it’s rude to tag people in your critical or negative comments. As I said. It depends what the comment is and how it’s written. I think tagging him, giving suggestions for improvements by saying what you don’t like currently is perfectly acceptable, when written politely and not in any way personally. Surely he should want to know that kind of feedback in a position like his. Twitter does give people too much opportunity to write things without thinking but that’s the risk you take especially in the public eye. Maybe he should take a break and ask for any feedback to be sent by post as letters take a lot more effort, and people probably wouldn’t be bothered. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 20:32:33 GMT
That's probably the most sensible thing I've ever seen her say! Everyone's entitled to their opinion about anyone and anything, whether that is positive or negative. Tagging people in a post insulting them goes too far, constructive criticism doesn't. As for the show, I'm not a fan of Ms Fletcher and the prices are too steep, so unless a cheap ticket turns up I'll be giving this a miss. |
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Post by No. on Apr 13, 2018 20:46:17 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged.
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Post by d'James on Apr 13, 2018 20:56:31 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged. He tweeted worse than that. If they were doing Rush/Lottery I would understand but it’s not great for the image of Theatre in general. |
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Post by shady23 on Apr 13, 2018 21:00:57 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged. Darren Bell is one of the producers of Carrie's album. He's hardly an objective observer. |
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Post by No. on Apr 13, 2018 21:03:40 GMT
I’m well aware, I can see why he defended her I just wish he’d at least tried to form a stronger argument
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 21:12:46 GMT
Is there really that much of a negative response on twitter? I haven't seen anything that severe really.
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Post by ellie1981 on Apr 13, 2018 21:16:00 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged. Really? Maybe I’m in the dark a bit on this but I barely know anyone under 30 who even knows the film. Alas, I spoke to a 26 year old this week who has never heard of Kevin Spacey (our office is very near to the Old Vic too) and had a friend who met a 24 year old last week who had never heard of Jack Nicholson. Knowing that there are young people who know Heathers is at least a light at the end of this very dark tunnel. |
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Post by No. on Apr 13, 2018 21:18:08 GMT
In terms of the musical it’s very much a lot of young people that know it well, not saying the original movie fans don’t either but it has quite a young cult following on the internet. And with Carrie’s addition lots more are introduced as well.
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 13, 2018 21:18:56 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged. Really? Maybe I’m in the dark a bit on this but I barely know anyone under 30 who even knows the film. Alas, I spoke to a 26 year old this week who has never heard of Kevin Spacey (our office is very near to the Old Vic too) and had a friend who met a 24 year old last week who had never heard of Jack Nicholson. Knowing that there are young people who know Heathers is at least a light at the end of this very dark tunnel. We teenagers/students know the musical more than the film. For some reason the cast album is listened to by many teenage theatre nerds, I don’t know what it is about it but it has a cult following from the 16-25 age group. |
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Post by No. on Apr 13, 2018 21:21:24 GMT
I actually listened to the musical first, although I knew of the film and definitely prefer it, but I love both
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Post by robertb213 on Apr 13, 2018 21:50:19 GMT
I kinda feel bad for anyone who hasn't seen the film, it's brilliant!!
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Post by Seriously on Apr 13, 2018 22:12:40 GMT
I kinda feel bad for anyone suffering persecution or genocide, but hey, each to their own.
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Post by robertb213 on Apr 13, 2018 23:29:55 GMT
I kinda feel bad for anyone suffering persecution or genocide, but hey, each to their own. Yeah....they're the same.... 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 0:54:06 GMT
Is it really true they have increased prices on Fridays and Saturdays since this morning??
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Post by ensembleswings on Apr 14, 2018 4:32:55 GMT
Is it really true they have increased prices on Fridays and Saturdays since this morning?? They haven’t changed as far as I can tell, at least not since I went through and booked at around half 2 yesterday afternoon. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 7:34:28 GMT
To be honest, Heathers isn’t one of the musicals that I really follow. Carrie’s casting probably won’t help me get more into it.
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Post by JJShaw on Apr 14, 2018 8:23:57 GMT
I’m in the side that fully agrees you don’t have to tag someone in a negative comment, it’s just rude and asking for trouble. You probably wouldn’t say it to them in person to their face so why actively make sure they get a notification to see what you’ve said isn’t something nice. However it’s almost laughable at the response this has gathered from people in the industry why are complaining about the negativity. People are allowed to be upset! Theatre fans are usually upset when a subpar television star is cast in shows and they can also be upset when a performer is not their favourite is cast (at least I’m gatheringg that’s a complaint somewhere based on their reactions?) As for asking people to not complain about prices? HA! That’s one of the most talked about topics in theatre constantly; outpricing people so only the wealthy can afford to go, and Darren Bell is out here saying “If you can’t afford it don’t go”?!?! What if people wanted to go?!?! The responses from professional people in the industry is just as childish as... well the childish small minority of people who have upset them. I’m sure lots of people were happy to see Heathers is going to be put on (like me) and no doubt lots of people are excited for the one person announced in the casting so far. As for PTM saying people are really complaining it’s not a british musical?! To quote Bianca Del Rio “Really, Queen?!” (Oops sorry she’s American he probably wouldn’t appreciate that  ) |
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Post by Rukaya on Apr 14, 2018 8:46:32 GMT
As for PTM saying people are really complaining it’s not a british musical?! To quote Bianca Del Rio “Really, Queen?!” (Oops sorry she’s American he probably wouldn’t appreciate that ) Not just playing Devil's advocate but I did see a couple of Twitter threads where people were complaining that it wasn't a British musical, and from what I remember the tone of it was pretty aggressive! |
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Post by danb on Apr 14, 2018 8:52:34 GMT
Considering a lot of the audiences for this show are probably teenagers and uni students I think people are within their right to be disappointed regarding prices. Darren Bell’s just tweeted something along the lines of ‘If you can’t afford it then don’t go’ and I can’t help but think the whole thing sounds very privileged. Really? Maybe I’m in the dark a bit on this but I barely know anyone under 30 who even knows the film. Alas, I spoke to a 26 year old this week who has never heard of Kevin Spacey (our office is very near to the Old Vic too) and had a friend who met a 24 year old last week who had never heard of Jack Nicholson. Knowing that there are young people who know Heathers is at least a light at the end of this very dark tunnel. Don’t underestimate the role parents and older siblings play in introducing kids to ‘classics’. |
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