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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 18:41:21 GMT
Thrilled that I'll be in New York for the latter part of May so I don't have to hear quite so much about this nonsense. Oooh look at me I'm going to New York.
Seriously though, very envious.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 18:42:24 GMT
While The Times have never reflected the views of its owner. You might struggle to convince the left of the Labour Party that the BBC are a left wing mouthpiece. Though to be fair you'd struggle to convince anyone who doesn't spout extreme conspiracy theories. The Times is mildly right-wing but it is beyond doubt that the BBC is fiercely left-wing. The difference is that the latter is meant to inform and educate NOT have a political standpoint which has led to it be discredited.
The hard-left of the Labour party would think everyone and everything right of the Morning Star is right-wing scum and I'm not sure of the point of your "conspiracy theory" statement.
For f***s sake |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 18:44:07 GMT
So what do we have. A general election that Conservatives should do well. But I think the Liberal lot will pick up more seats. However if Labour did win or went into coalition it will validate Corbyn, however that is very very unlikely, so we are going to get a General Election in a months time that Corbyn will likely lose, opposed to one in 3 years time that Corbyn will lose. What this means the Labour Party can move on, after the next election and provide genuine opposition and win the 2022 general election, Than have a dreadful Tory government for the next 8 years. So what this means we get the Torys for a extra 2 years. When George Osbourne said that Brexit would mean an emergency budget, he lied, he should of said it has brought down the bloody government. The Conservatives are on the cusp of a landslide victory which will take 2-3 more elections to breakdown.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 18:47:13 GMT
The Times is mildly right-wing but it is beyond doubt that the BBC is fiercely left-wing. The difference is that the latter is meant to inform and educate NOT have a political standpoint which has led to it be discredited.
The hard-left of the Labour party would think everyone and everything right of the Morning Star is right-wing scum and I'm not sure of the point of your "conspiracy theory" statement.
For f***s sake So which points do you disagree with?
1) The Times is mildly right-wing 2) The BBC is meant to be impartial as it is the state broadcaster 3) The BBC has been seriously discredited by pushing a fierce left-wing (note not hard left or far left) position despite the requirement to be impartial 4) The hard-left in the Labour party see many things as right-wing which clearly aren't or as right-wing as they claim.
Or is For f***s sake your argument?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
So what do we have. A general election that Conservatives should do well. But I think the Liberal lot will pick up more seats. However if Labour did win or went into coalition it will validate Corbyn, however that is very very unlikely, so we are going to get a General Election in a months time that Corbyn will likely lose, opposed to one in 3 years time that Corbyn will lose. What this means the Labour Party can move on, after the next election and provide genuine opposition and win the 2022 general election, Than have a dreadful Tory government for the next 8 years. So what this means we get the Torys for a extra 2 years. When George Osbourne said that Brexit would mean an emergency budget, he lied, he should of said it has brought down the bloody government. The Conservatives are on the cusp of a landslide victory which will take 2-3 more elections to breakdown.
An independent Scotland seems more and more appealing eh. Tories never lose an election then |
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 18:54:13 GMT
So which points do you disagree with?
1) The Times is mildly right-wing 2) The BBC is meant to be impartial as it is the state broadcaster 3) The BBC has been seriously discredited by pushing a fierce left-wing (note not hard left or far left) position despite the requirement to be impartial 4) The hard-left in the Labour party see many things as right-wing which clearly aren't or as right-wing as they claim.
Or is For f***s sake your argument?
Compared to your BBC nonsense for f***s sake is a sane reasoned argument. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 18:56:11 GMT
The Conservatives are on the cusp of a landslide victory which will take 2-3 more elections to breakdown.
An independent Scotland seems more and more appealing eh. Tories never lose an election then Scotland has had the chance to vote twice for independence in my lifetime and rejected it twice. I see no reason why that would change in another referendum.
There are two factors which contribute towards this:
1) Scotland is affluent and people always vote with their wallets in mind 2) The Loyalists in Scotland will never vote for any severing of the Union like their allies in Northern Ireland would not. Only Glasgow voted yes and that was because the poorest of Scotland's population live there and the influence of 'republicanism' and hatred of the crown felt amongst supporters of Glasgow Celtic FC who dominate the City.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 18:58:15 GMT
So which points do you disagree with?
1) The Times is mildly right-wing 2) The BBC is meant to be impartial as it is the state broadcaster 3) The BBC has been seriously discredited by pushing a fierce left-wing (note not hard left or far left) position despite the requirement to be impartial 4) The hard-left in the Labour party see many things as right-wing which clearly aren't or as right-wing as they claim.
Or is For f***s sake your argument?
Compared to your BBC nonsense for f***s sake is a sane reasoned argument. 1) Is the BBC the state broadcaster?
2) Is the BBC meant to be impartial?
3) Does the BBC have a real or widely perceived to be real left-wing bias?
If you answer no to any of those questions please do not bother me anymore on this thread because you are not worthy of my time.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 19:00:44 GMT
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Since you claimed it where is your proof of this left wing bias.
But then you apparently think Dundee is in Glasgow so you don't know much really do you.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 19:03:04 GMT
Yes. Yes. No. Since you claimed it where is your proof of this left wing bias. But then you apparently think Dundee is in Glasgow so you don't know much really do you. I wrote pages as a reply and then crashed. This pretty much sums up my reply, but I finished with a FFS |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:03:21 GMT
Yes. Yes. No. Since you claimed it where is your proof of this left wing bias. But then you apparently think Dundee is in Glasgow so you don't know much really do you. I forgot about Dundee voting yes but it is impossible to not know that the BBC is subjected to many claims that it suffers from a left-wing bias unless you source your news and opinions from a very limited range of outlets or view the World as an ostrich. |
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 19:04:19 GMT
Yes. Yes. No. Since you claimed it where is your proof of this left wing bias. But then you apparently think Dundee is in Glasgow so you don't know much really do you. I forgot about Dundee voting yes but it is impossible to not know that the BBC is subjected to many claims that it suffers from a left-wing bias unless you source your news and opinions from a very limited range of outlets or view the World as an ostrich. In other words. You have no proof. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:05:25 GMT
Yes. Yes. No. Since you claimed it where is your proof of this left wing bias. But then you apparently think Dundee is in Glasgow so you don't know much really do you. I wrote pages as a reply and then crashed. This pretty much sums up my reply, but I finished with a FFS I refer you to my previous question and ask another 2:
1) Do you think the crown Loyalists in Scotland are a reason why Scotland voted no in two independent referendums?
2) Do you think Glasgow Celtic FC supporters played a significant role in Glasgow voting yes?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 19:10:01 GMT
1 more than 2, that is a lot of celtic supporters in the country.
As close as Brexit last time. Small swing would give independence
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:10:20 GMT
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:12:38 GMT
1 more than 2, that is a lot of celtic supporters in the country. As close as Brexit last time. Small swing would give independence There are a lot of Celtic supporters around Scotland but they are not as widespread as Glasgow Rangers fans (Hibs and Hearts fans are affluent Edinburgh so will vote No).
Glasgow will ALWAYS vote Yes because of the men from the Gallowgate.
* Not to patronise anyone on here but the significance of the football clubs is that, unlike England, the main rivalries in Scottish football are determined by religion with Glasgow Rangers fans being predominantly Loyalist Protestants and Glasgow Celtic fans being predominately Republican Catholics.
Hibernians and Hearts of Midlothian fans are also divided by sectarian grounds but the affluence of Edinburgh meant it had little impact on the referendum outcome.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 19:14:28 GMT
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:17:42 GMT
But you denied that some perceived there to be a left-wing bias at the BBC!
Please stop responding to me now or I will put you on ignore.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 19:20:41 GMT
Oh wow what a piece of great evidence that the BBC is left wing because the Daily Mail says so, go figure.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 19:21:09 GMT
But you denied that some perceived there to be a left-wing bias at the BBC!
Please stop responding to me now or I will put you on ignore.
I denied that it was the fact you were trying to make it out to be. Go ahead. Looking at your posts you've never said anything interesting about the theatre and your views here are ridiculous so I won't be missing much. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 19:22:06 GMT
Oh wow what a piece of great evidence that the BBC is left wing because the Daily Mail says so, go figure. No, the evidence is that a significant former BBC director said there is.
That's the story.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 19:26:38 GMT
Wasn't the former Chief Political Editor, until recently (Nick Robinson) a member of the young conservative on the Oxford Union?
Because a former Political Editor said something in the Daily Mail that is the gospel of truth?
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 19:28:55 GMT
Until recently wasn't the former conservative chairman (Chris Pattern) Chairman of the BBC? But you go and read and believe everything you read in the racist Daily Mail.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 19:30:54 GMT
1 more than 2, that is a lot of celtic supporters in the country. As close as Brexit last time. Small swing would give independence There are a lot of Celtic supporters around Scotland but they are not as widespread as Glasgow Rangers fans (Hibs and Hearts fans are affluent Edinburgh so will vote No).
Glasgow will ALWAYS vote Yes because of the men from the Gallowgate.
* Not to patronise anyone on here but the significance of the football clubs is that, unlike England, the main rivalries in Scottish football are determined by religion with Glasgow Rangers fans being predominantly Loyalist Protestants and Glasgow Celtic fans being predominately Republican Catholics.
Hibernians and Hearts of Midlothian fans are also divided by sectarian grounds but the affluence of Edinburgh meant it had little impact on the referendum outcome.
More Rangers supporters than Celtic though. Think you are overplaying the footie thing |
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 19:33:47 GMT
My Scottish, Rangers supporting, family roughly split in half between independence and union.
But I'm sure the independence lot are actually secret Celtic supporters.
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