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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:30:13 GMT
I think the point here is that a majority does not mean a mandate to do whatever you want. Out of the people who voted in the EU referendum, a slim majority voted to leave. But that's all they did: voted to leave. What that actually means in terms of policies and political agreements is still something that needs to be debated by parliament, and that means all of parliament. It's not up to the PM and her cabinet to make all the decisions and everyone else just has to suck it up. My MP isn't someone I voted for but on the whole he does a pretty good job. Regardless of the fact that I didn't vote for him, he's all I have when it comes to representing my interests in the running of the country. The same goes for everyone else whose MP isn't part of the Prime Minister's inner circle. We have as much right to a voice as anyone else, and the PM has absolutely no right to object when someone in the Commons or in the Lords challenges what she says. Our democracy is based on the principle that parliament reaches decisions by discussion. What May is implying is that if you're not one of the lucky few whose representative is right at the heart of the government then you don't get to have a say in the future of Britain. Absolutely fair enough, but there's also the issue that a sizeable number of voters have told the government what they want and the government has a duty to deliver that. Endless arguments and decisions by committee lead to paralysis - and that will cost. So challenge ridiculous plans/decisions by all means - but the danger is that anyone anti-Brexit will challenge every tiny decision - and that way madness lies. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:31:34 GMT
In all seriousness, Brexit it neither here or there, I think both sides had valid points so whatever, thats done. But I'm sorry ya'll, and I have love for many of you, but I cannot take politics seriously anymore when Donald Trump is elected as President and Kanye West is planning on running in 2020.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:36:44 GMT
This is why we need young blood here! I had no idea Kanye West intended to run for president. (That actually makes me MORE interested in the US election process...)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:39:02 GMT
Thank god ur our future! 'Where were u when democracy was destroyed grandad" "meh" To be fair, I always thought I was gonna die young, so I wouldn't bank on me being your future lovely. So did everyone else |
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Post by jgblunners on Apr 18, 2017 12:46:41 GMT
People always talk about getting younger generations more invested in politics, but I find it so hard to engage when it still feels like my vote won't change anything. I'm 21 and I've voted in every election that I've been able to, but I've always lived in safe seats so it's never really seemed like my vote mattered. The Brexit vote was different, but it exposed what we all knew - that deceit is the strongest tool in political campaigns. Farage and Johnson's phoney claims about the EU were the catalyst for mass pro-Brexit voting, and when they were exposed as lies and promises that Farage and Johnson never intended to keep, people were outraged. It's the same in General Elections - I find it hard enough to understand what candidates are actually promising in their manifestos and how they will affect me, but the knowledge that they probably won't keep half of those promises just makes it even more demoralising when trying to pick which candidate supposedly stands for what I believe in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:51:30 GMT
I don't think Brexit made alot of young people happy because an alarming percentage of people who voted to leave happened to be older, whilst most younger people voted to stay. I think that upset lot of younger people because they view it as it is our future that is affected more than the future of older people? That isnt me saying that per-se, that is a general consenus that I have heard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:51:53 GMT
I think it's a fair point, and illustrates why it's so hard to motivate younger people. I live in a safe seat too, and aside from very brief periods while studying, always have ended up in such areas. So as much as I diligently vote, I know ultimately if I didn't it wouldn't make much difference. I personally didn't get very politically engaged until my mid-20s and as much as I always want to teach younger people to get engaged too, it's also not fair to harangue them and tell them the world is going to sh*t because of people like them (nobody here is saying that I'm just saying in general)
For those younger people who do struggle to engage I'd say look at politics on a local level and see what's going on, what MPs have or haven't done. But also think about yourselves and your family and what affects you- personally schools don't much affect me but the NHS does etc. I think it's about finding a way 'in'. Also finding politicians who you actually understand when they speak ...which granted is easier said than done!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:53:33 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen. I present Brenda.
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Post by viserys on Apr 18, 2017 13:04:01 GMT
What gets me out the door to vote is often the thought that people fought and died for this right many years ago. Especially as a woman I wonder what would Emmeline Pankhurst and the like think of modern women who can't be arsed to go out and exercise the right those women had to fight for so bitterly?
That said, there's a regional election happening here in May which is pretty much pointless since the Ruhrgebiet dimwits will keep voting for the social democrats (= German Labour) no matter how awful they have been in governing this mess of a state. Still, I'll be out there, casting my vote, BECAUSE I CAN.
And frankly, your people in charge suddenly make me think that I'll be able to get through four more years of Merkel and her glum face after all...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:10:38 GMT
Texting an American friend who was asleep through the announcement:
Me: Prime Minister called a General Election, because we're so good at voting for stuff.
Friend: What are you voting on?
Me: The bloody Government!
I do vote sometimes out of sheer guilt/obligation. That people died so I could even if it is pointless.
Does anyone else also get that moment of panic when they put the ballot in the box that they've somehow voted for UKIP or something by mistake?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:12:06 GMT
Its the flippant attitude from 'Brenda' as seen in that video, and from others posting here, that get me. "oooh politics, its too political for me."
Have an opinion. Give a sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:23:03 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:31:38 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:33:52 GMT
People always talk about getting younger generations more invested in politics, but I find it so hard to engage when it still feels like my vote won't change anything. I can't claim to be young any more but I do find that I'm often overwhelmed with a feeling of futility when it comes to politics. Part of that is down to the sheer inertia of the voting public. I remember when I was at school we had a mock election to coincide with a real one so that the pupils could get to know a little about the voting process. This was a good Conservative school, at which I felt like something of a misfit. The Conservative candidate was easily the weakest of all of them and was routinely bested in every debate. Or perhaps he was the most politically aware of all of them and knew that he didn't have to try, because most people politely listened to all the speeches and then went out and voted exactly the way they'd always intended to vote. And it's no different as adults. There are far too many people who couldn't care less about the policies. They know which party they support, and that's all they need to know. And part of it's down to the undue influence of the press and the staggering amount of misleading and outright falsified news it presents. The Express and the Mail are the worst offenders, of course, and at this point are basically works of fiction. What's the point of caring about politics when newspaper editors are in a position of One Man, One Million Votes? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:33:55 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. I apologise, I should of said "whilst we have the chance". |
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Post by CG on the loose on Apr 18, 2017 13:42:41 GMT
Does anyone else also get that moment of panic when they put the ballot in the box that they've somehow voted for UKIP or something by mistake? YES! Always. |
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Post by hulmeman on Apr 18, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
'er apart from the fact that many times recently, Daisy May said she wasn't going for a snap election, didn't she tell that nice lady in Brigadoon she couldn't have an independence vote whilst Brexit was going on?
Double standards, but at least I brought things back to musical theatre.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:17:31 GMT
Someone just give me the brief description, I don't follow politics and I fon't wanna read three pages worth haha. Another election though?! What are we voting for this time?! It feels like all we do these days is vote!! And this is why we got Brexit, folks. ;-) OK so I'm just teasing danieljohnson14, and I know he's kidding too - but for a lot of young (and not so young) people this will be the way they really think. And who can blame them?! You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:31:43 GMT
And this is why we got Brexit, folks. ;-) OK so I'm just teasing danieljohnson14, and I know he's kidding too - but for a lot of young (and not so young) people this will be the way they really think. And who can blame them?! You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:35:56 GMT
You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude. I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:54:27 GMT
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude. I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it. |
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:01:28 GMT
We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Uh - we haven't left the European Union yet so who knows what will happen. We're not post-Brexit. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:07:14 GMT
I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it. Things done to "attract young people" only results in things being dumbed down. Politics is complicated because life is complicated but it is your responsibility to understand, as far as possible, political issues as you're an adult.
If you, for example, vote Labour, Conservative, UKIP or Green: I don't care. That is your democratic right but something which should be based upon an adult understanding of issues and your interpretation of events and your opinion as to who is providing the best solutions.
As I said, it's not the duty of people to make politics easy but your responsibility to understand politics.
There are people out there who regret the widening of the franchise, don't dive them ammunition.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Uh - we haven't left the European Union yet so who knows what will happen. We're not post-Brexit. I hope you will also copy and paste that to put under any post claiming that us exiting the EU will be a disaster.
However, it is fact that the post referendum apocalypse predicted by many never materialised.
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