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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2017 12:30:28 GMT
I think it will still go ahead. For the same reason that he always seems able to continue producing shows every time one goes under. Each show that he produces (and for the industry in general) is a whole separate company, a legal entity in its own right. For example something like Wonderland UK Tour Ltd or Bring It On 2017 Ltd. Whilst all of these companies will be under the umbrella of Neil Eckersley/Speculation, what this enables him to do is separate his liabilities, so if one production runs out of money and collapses, the other productions and the parent company/companies aren't liable for those losses/debts and don't have to pay them. Hence why he's able to just get up again and produce another show, as a "new" company. Obviously it's not a solid business model as all of the investment is lost, but there's no further loss to the rest of the company. Just to reiterate, I'm only using Speckulation as an example, the same basic theory applies to businesses right across our sector and beyond. Also I'm not a legal expert so if I've made any slight inaccuracies in what I've said, feel free to correct me I won't be offended  |
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 7, 2017 12:45:18 GMT
I'm not an expert either (in anything), but I suspect part of the problem is the newish tax rules encourage any Tom, Dick or Harry to be a wannabee theatre producer.
Even Cam Mac and Disney received a tax credit for Mary Poppins!
Unlike TV, there is no quality threshold for theatrical productions.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Aug 7, 2017 14:19:37 GMT
I think it will still go ahead. For the same reason that he always seems able to continue producing shows every time one goes under. Each show that he produces (and for the industry in general) is a whole separate company, a legal entity in its own right. For example something like Wonderland UK Tour Ltd or Bring It On 2017 Ltd. Whilst all of these companies will be under the umbrella of Neil Eckersley/Speculation, what this enables him to do is separate his liabilities, so if one production runs out of money and collapses, the other productions and the parent company/companies aren't liable for those losses/debts and don't have to pay them. Hence why he's able to just get up again and produce another show, as a "new" company. Obviously it's not a solid business model as all of the investment is lost, but there's no further loss to the rest of the company. Just to reiterate, I'm only using Speckulation as an example, the same basic theory applies to businesses right across our sector and beyond. Also I'm not a legal expert so if I've made any slight inaccuracies in what I've said, feel free to correct me I won't be offended I can see why his productions can still go ahead but the main thing I'm.eindering is how they can still go ahead in terms of the cast and crew. Why would anyone work with him or on his shows given what's come out over the last few weeks? |
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Post by londonland on Aug 7, 2017 15:48:44 GMT
I think it will still go ahead. For the same reason that he always seems able to continue producing shows every time one goes under. Each show that he produces (and for the industry in general) is a whole separate company, a legal entity in its own right. For example something like Wonderland UK Tour Ltd or Bring It On 2017 Ltd. Whilst all of these companies will be under the umbrella of Neil Eckersley/Speculation, what this enables him to do is separate his liabilities, so if one production runs out of money and collapses, the other productions and the parent company/companies aren't liable for those losses/debts and don't have to pay them. Hence why he's able to just get up again and produce another show, as a "new" company. Obviously it's not a solid business model as all of the investment is lost, but there's no further loss to the rest of the company. Just to reiterate, I'm only using Speckulation as an example, the same basic theory applies to businesses right across our sector and beyond. Also I'm not a legal expert so if I've made any slight inaccuracies in what I've said, feel free to correct me I won't be offended I’m afraid you might be quite right here. As much as I would like to see the show, I would prefer for the tour not to start at all if Bring It On the Musical Ltd, which is the name of an actual company owned by the usual suspect (public info on the Companies House website, no speculation [pun intended]), turned out to be yet another venture likely to go bust mid-tour to the detriment of cast and crew. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:39:08 GMT
I think the bigger issue for Bring it On getting on the road maybe the trying to source the individuals and equipment required to mount a touring production with the events and association of Wonderland so fresh.
I think the producer may have real issues in trying to find an audio company, given that the reason the wonderland tour fell through is that one company pulled out and another failed to replace them. With a history of reoccurring issues notoriety is increasing and at some point soon people will stop providing him with equipment on credit.
It may be that the tour starts as people demand payment up front (as per Wonderland) but then as payments fail thats when issues may occur - should he find a willing supplier and contractor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:14:44 GMT
I would be sad if this tour didn't happen. Just taken a look at availability for the first night in Birmingham - stalls appx 1/3 full with 8 weeks or so to go. ![]()  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:15:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:19:50 GMT
I would be sad if this tour didn't happen. Just taken a look at availability for the first night in Birmingham - stalls appx 1/3 full with 8 weeks or so to go. ![]()  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 7, 2017 17:25:25 GMT
Every time I come into this and the Wonderland thread I crap myself thinking we can't afford a lawyer  Please keep it non specific and keep us, and you out of trouble! God, I hate being boring Anyway, this is opening night in manc. Tough sell, it has ZERO recognition factor.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:30:01 GMT
Anyway, this is opening night in manc. Tough sell, it has ZERO recognition factor. My first reaction when I heard Hamilton was 'oh, this must be the Bring It On' guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:33:53 GMT
Tough sell, it has ZERO recognition factor. Everybody here better get loud. Haven't see much evidence that they've been trying particularly hard to sell the show. If I weren't on mailing lists, I couldn't be sure I'd have heard it was happening. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 7, 2017 17:39:40 GMT
Anyway, this is opening night in manc. Tough sell, it has ZERO recognition factor. My first reaction when I heard Hamilton was 'oh, this must be the Bring It On' guy. if you went out into the street of any town or city and said "tell me what you know about the musical Bring It On" do you really think people would make that connection? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:41:00 GMT
My first reaction when I heard Hamilton was 'oh, this must be the Bring It On' guy. if you went out into the street of any town or city and said "tell me what you know about the musical Bring It On" do you really think people would make that connection? Not many. I am special. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:43:09 GMT
My first reaction when I heard Hamilton was 'oh, this must be the Bring It On' guy. if you went out into the street of any town or city and said "tell me what you know about the musical Bring It On" do you really think people would make that connection? About 200 each in Birmingham and Manchester by the looks of things. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 7, 2017 17:45:18 GMT
Lol
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Post by sam22 on Aug 7, 2017 18:11:30 GMT
I'm planning to book for this but the seats are pretty expensive so holding out to see if there are any ticket offers
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2017 22:09:05 GMT
Can't believe what they're charging for this! Rehearsals must've started now if it's going to open at the start of September...if there's no "names" it's definitely not going to sell. £53 for top tickets in Manchester, people just aren't going to be willing to take a punt on a show they've never heard of for that sort of money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 23:31:53 GMT
Are any of the cancelled Wonderland venues on the Bring It On Tour. The Producer may set up his business to reduce liability but he's had a front page dressing down in the stage, various unions are on his case and his activities can be investigated by a branch of BIS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 8:33:23 GMT
I'm planning to book for this but the seats are pretty expensive so holding out to see if there are any ticket offers There were first opening night offers running a while ago. I got a stalls seat in Manchester for £14... which to be fair is the only thing that sparked my interest in this run. |
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Post by sam22 on Aug 8, 2017 8:55:08 GMT
I'm planning to book for this but the seats are pretty expensive so holding out to see if there are any ticket offers There were first opening night offers running a while ago. I got a stalls seat in Manchester for £14... which to be fair is the only thing that sparked my interest in this run. Thanks. I'm going to see it in Birmingham as that is as close as it's coming to me but I can only go on a Saturday. The tickets are pretty much all £50 and not sure I want to see it that much! |
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Post by ali973 on Aug 9, 2017 8:25:21 GMT
Given that this is done by the same producer as Wonderland, is it going ahead?
Also, is there an official website? So far all I can find is ticket sales on ATG.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 9:03:33 GMT
Given that this is done by the same producer as Wonderland, is it going ahead? Also, is there an official website? So far all I can find is ticket sales on ATG. I believe rehearsals started or at least were meant to start on Monday... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:42:37 GMT
I'd be interested to see it as the original film was funny. I'm ATG card holder so will hopefully get a decent discount at Alex Birmingham - if production goes ahead.
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Post by sam22 on Aug 9, 2017 19:17:18 GMT
I'd be interested to see it as the original film was funny. I'm ATG card holder so will hopefully get a decent discount at Alex Birmingham - if production goes ahead. Doesn't seem to be any discount for ATG cardholders at the moment. Only discount I has seen is for younger people, I think under 25s |
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Post by daniel on Aug 9, 2017 19:21:59 GMT
I'd be interested to see it as the original film was funny. I'm ATG card holder so will hopefully get a decent discount at Alex Birmingham - if production goes ahead. There's currently 50% off Premium & Band A for the opening night, and £5 off Tuesday-Thursday. |
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