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Post by stefy69 on Feb 9, 2017 12:30:39 GMT
Just had an e-mail this production is returning to Sadlers Wells at the end of the year. Hooray !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:14:39 GMT
Hooray! I've never seen it, one more to tick off my Bourne list!
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Post by stefy69 on Feb 9, 2017 15:32:36 GMT
Hooray! I've never seen it, one more to tick off my Bourne list! You wont be disappointed saw it first many years ago at the Piccadilly Theatre and fell in love with it then...
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Post by stefy69 on Mar 7, 2017 8:57:49 GMT
Booking for this opened yesterday.
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Post by Sue on May 5, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
Just booked for Bristol next March. I saw Red Shoes just a few weeks ago, again at Bristol and it was mesmerising and goose bumpy...yes, that really is a thing!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 16:53:58 GMT
I haven't seen this one yet, so looking forward to it.
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Post by CG on the loose on Dec 13, 2017 22:36:23 GMT
Tonight’s performance at Sadler’s Wells was cancelled due to a problem with the power supply into the building - there was some, because the house lights were on, but apparently none for flying or lighting the production. Scheduled start was 7.30pm, house eventually opened 7.45pm and when everyone was seated, they very apologetically announced the cancellation... explaining that they’d had to bring us in so we could hear what they had to tell us (which was a fair point - the announcements they had made while we were waiting were completely inaudible). Sad to miss it, will have to see if I can catch it anywhere else.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 7, 2018 19:43:38 GMT
I've never seen any of Matthew Bourne's work live but decided to give the BBC broadcast of this a go on the iPlayer. I thought it was very well acted but wasn't so sure on all the dancing. For starters, I found it odd that in 2 hours of ballet none of the women did any work en pointe. Some of the dancing was more like what I'd expect to see in a musical than a ballet.
I have a couple of queries that I'm wondering if anyone who's seen it live might have any ideas about:
Did the dancer playing Cinderella's Father also double as the Maitre D' character in the party scene? Did the party scene actually take place or was it just Cinderella hallucinating after being knocked out in the air raid? Why did Cinderella's Stepmother suddenly try to suffocate her. I mean, I know they didn't like it other but that seemed very extreme & seemed to come out of no-where.
While I don't think I'll be rushing to see any live Bourne any time soon, it was interesting to see this one. It was also wonderful to have a telecast of an arts event that didn't have some celebrity presenter burbling on fatuously beforehand & in the intervals. This had no presenter at all & was much better for it in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 22:30:41 GMT
For starters, I found it odd that in 2 hours of ballet none of the women did any work en pointe. Some of the dancing was more like what I'd expect to see in a musical than a ballet. None of Matthew Bourne's work is ballet.
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Post by dippy on Jan 8, 2018 1:31:46 GMT
Did the dancer playing Cinderella's Father also double as the Maitre D' character in the party scene? He did. Did the party scene actually take place or was it just Cinderella hallucinating after being knocked out in the air raid? Apparently it didn't happen! I found that all very confusing but I did see something on twitter confirming that it was a dream. I guess it explains why the stepmother shoots the dad in the dream because it makes no sense otherwise. Why did Cinderella's Stepmother suddenly try to suffocate her. I mean, I know they didn't like it other but that seemed very extreme & seemed to come out of no-where. I've got a book which is interviews with Matthew Bourne about all his shows up to 2011. It's funny that there's never a summary of what is happening in any of his programmes (apparently his shows are crystal clear, I don't agree) but there's still a book which does have a lot of explanation in. The Cinderella chapter is about 60 pages long. It explains that all the step family have abused her in the past and they are worried that if she's having psychiatric treatment she will tell them what has happened so the stepmother wants to silence her. There was a prologue in previews when the show was first performed about 20 years ago that had young Cinderella seeing the stepmother kill her mum but apparently it was confusing so it got cut but the suffocating stayed. Very confusing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 9:08:59 GMT
It's funny that there's never a summary of what is happening in any of his programmes (apparently his shows are crystal clear, I don't agree) Yes, I used to be a big fan but I've now stopped going because I struggle to follow the narrative or even to identify some of the characters. And, please, will no one bother to patronisingly tell me either to sit back and let it wash over me or that it is all crystal clear.
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Post by dippy on Jan 8, 2018 9:37:01 GMT
Yes, I used to be a big fan but I've now stopped going because I struggle to follow the narrative or even to identify some of the characters. And, please, will no one bother to patronisingly tell me either to sit back and let it wash over me or that it is all crystal clear. I'm most definitely not going to tell you to do that! I am also a fan but I am definitely not a fan of his choreography or story telling. Stupidly I was a fan of one of the dancers before he joined the company which led to liking more of the dancers and I go to watch them rather than the story. I like seeing everyone dance each role at least once so I go and see each production a couple of times even if they don't make sense. I was definitely not a fan of Red Shoes and I now feel that everything Matthew Bourne does gets good reviews and sells out because it's Matthew Bourne and not because it's amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 11:08:01 GMT
Didn't have a clue what was going on most of the time but Andrew Monaghan who played The Pilot was hot hot HOT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 11:12:12 GMT
Didn't have a clue what was going on most of the time Exactly! The Red Shoes was the final straw for me.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 8, 2018 13:38:25 GMT
Thanks dippy for the explanations. It now makes rather more sense. Maybe Bourne should re-think that cut bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 15:55:41 GMT
Didn't have a clue what was going on most of the time Exactly! The Red Shoes was the final straw for me. I love Bourne's work but agree Red Shoes was maddening. I put it down to not knowing the film at all, but I think the general consensus was that it was just really unclear. Also re: ballet, correct me if I'm wrong someone (sincerely) but I don't think Bourne has ever claimed to do ballet- his work has always been in contemporary dance. What he does really well is fuse styles and influences within shows- tap with contemporary, taking ballet and fusing it with contemporary etc. I agree though his storytelling within them isn't always the best, and he should really be employing a dramaturg type person (or getting a better one if he does already!) to sort that out.
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Post by rumbledoll on Jan 9, 2018 18:27:56 GMT
I saw Cinderella a couple of weeks ago and gotta agree - the first hour especially was repetitive and not clear. Had no such problem with his other shows though - Car Man and Sleeping Beauty. Found them much more expressive and with overall better written storylines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 19:03:11 GMT
I saw Cinderella a couple of weeks ago and gotta agree - the first hour especially was repetitive and not clear. Had no such problem with his other shows though - Car Man and Sleeping Beauty. Found them much more expressive and with overall better written storylines. It's only Red Shoes and to a degree Scissorhands I've struggled with which I put down to not knowing the source material well...so perhaps it's something in the style of his newer productions?
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Post by rumbledoll on Jan 9, 2018 19:06:57 GMT
@emicardiff, I thought that Cinderella is actually the old one and this run is a 'come back'. Knowing the original story does not always help as Bourne always twists the hell out of it.. which I normally love 'cause it tends to be witty and pleasantly surprising. This time that was just plain confusing..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 19:08:43 GMT
@emicardiff , I thought that Cinderella is actually the old one and this run is a 'come back'. Knowing the original story does not always help as Bourne always twists the hell out of it.. which I normally love 'cause it tends to be witty and pleasantly surprising. This time that was just plain confusing.. Ah so it is...ah well who bloody knows then! Ah well at least the dancing/dancers are pretty to watch!
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Post by rumbledoll on Jan 9, 2018 21:00:33 GMT
That is true. In Cinderella my fave one was The Angel. And I just knew I would not care about the plot if Dominic North was in. He's just the best!
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Post by crabtree on Jan 9, 2018 22:14:31 GMT
If you want confusing, try Play Without Words, though I do think that piece to be rather brilliant. I do love Bourne's work, though sometimes there is too much parody - there's usually a club scene or theatre scene which gives him license to mock other forms of dance, but Swan Lake, Car Man and Dorian Gray are brilliant. I find Cinderella lacking a central clear idea, and Sleeping Beauty was just, to me, rather unsubtly cashing in on all things then currently vampire. He is supported by tremendous designers, lighting, costume. I wish he would stage his glorious TV film 'Late Flowering Lust'
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Post by tmesis on Jan 13, 2018 19:19:19 GMT
Whether we term Bourne's work ballet or not, for me, there is simply not enough actual dancing in his stuff, as opposed to the mime and storytelling to engage my interest any more. He has great production values - Les Brotherston take a bow - but that's not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:58:11 GMT
Hmm. I'm just watching Cinderella finally, taped from when it was on at Christmas, and I'm not enjoying it. I LOVED Swan Lake all those years ago, and really liked Sleeping Beauty. I adored The Red Shoes (but then I know the film really well) and was expecting to like Cinderella a lot more than I am. But I'm just not following the story at all. Maybe it being on the telly rather than live in the theatre doesn't help, and it doesn't help that Cinderella is a story I'm not keen on anyway, and the music doesn't do it for me... But I'm underwhelmed. I want to turn it off, but I feel I ought to give it more of a chance.
I had a feeling I wouldn't be smitten with this somehow though - I haven't bought tickets to see this live and couldn't put my finger on why I didn't want to.
I'll go and see the Swan Lake revival though. It won't have the impact it did on me 20 years ago I suspect, but those swans are just so powerful.
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