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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:04:41 GMT
It's never occurred to me that you could ask for reasonable adjustments on an interview for something like dyslexia when I wouldn't bat an eyelid at an adjustment made for an exam for the same reason. I'm curious now what my work would do as they sometimes use similar type tests and as emicardiff says one can perfectly well manage them if normal circumstances that might be prohibited in a test. I went to an interview once where spell check had been deactivated, now I know my spelling is not great so I'm careful and check in real circumstances which I couldn't do in the test. Struck my just relying on spell check might be more problematic. And yeah I get why you might not want to share. Stupid test really. Unamused for you. I mean to be honest, I didn't think anyone WOULD adjust for dyslexia, that instead you'd just get 'black listed' as unsuitable for the role because you can't complete the task, so hence also not asking. But a friend, and following up some HR advice today said some will make allowances like extra time, or additional software etc etc. Which is interesting to know. Would I always disclose it even knowing that? probably not. The sad fact is that much like mental health issues and other 'invisible disabilities' there's a lot of dismissive attitudes towards dyslexia. Not to say that visible disabilities don't still face massive access issues because of course they do, but employers can sometimes be a bit more short sighted (pardon the disability pun!) about the former.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2019 19:18:42 GMT
Get well soon! I have badly sprained my ankle so am on the sofa with an ice pack, and a pair of crutches to help me get around if I do decide to get up! Ouch! Hope it doesn't take too long to heal. I've managed to add to my woes by slamming my kneecap into the larder door frame earlier so I'm now limping as well as feeling unwell!
Thanks @theatremonkey.
At least The Other Palace have allowed me to exchange my Showstopper tickets for tomorrow to later in the run (admittedly they charged me for the privilege!). Now I just have to worry if I'll be able to make the TCAABR tour on Saturday. It'll be ironic if having seen it in Birmingham, Norwich & Milton Keynes I don't manage to see it 5 miles away due to back to back colds.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2019 19:24:23 GMT
Would I always disclose it even knowing that? probably not. The sad fact is that much like mental health issues and other 'invisible disabilities' there's a lot of dismissive attitudes towards dyslexia. Not to say that visible disabilities don't still face massive access issues because of course they do, but employers can sometimes be a bit more short sighted (pardon the disability pun!) about the former. Not exactly the same thing but I have Asperger's & since being disgnosed 3 years ago, at the late age of 30, I've generally told my various managers when situations have arisen when it makes it easier to explain things. However I don't have it on my CV & I don't think I'd declare it when applying for a job as I assume the selction committee would put my CV straight on the rejected pile in favour of normal people. I wouldn't blame them for it either. I've given up applying for permanent jobs in the last few years, which all seem to require people skils that I don't have, & stick to temping.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:27:21 GMT
Would I always disclose it even knowing that? probably not. The sad fact is that much like mental health issues and other 'invisible disabilities' there's a lot of dismissive attitudes towards dyslexia. Not to say that visible disabilities don't still face massive access issues because of course they do, but employers can sometimes be a bit more short sighted (pardon the disability pun!) about the former. Not exactly the same thing but I have Asperger's & since being disgnosed 3 years ago, at the late age of 30, I've generally told my various managers when situations have arisen when it makes it easier to explain things. However I don't have it on my CV & I don't think I'd declare it when applying for a job as I assume the selction committee would put my CV straight on the rejected pile in favour of normal people. I wouldn't blame them for it either. I've given up applying for permanent jobs in the last few years, which all seem to require people skils that I don't have, & stick to temping. Yes I entirely sympathise Dawnstar- I too have resigned myself to temping indefinitely having done so since I was let go from a fixed term job 2 years ago. And it's exactly as you describe- why would they pick me/you over 'normal' people when especially nowadays there's so, so many people for each job, all equally qualified. Even if both of us I don't doubt have ample CV experience that shows we can do the job. One funny thing given mine and @theatremonkey 's chat about breaking stuff in the Company thread, is that i'm dyspraxic too, so incredibly accident prone, yet the job that is happiest with me in years is a gallery full of breakables.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2019 19:43:14 GMT
Yes I entirely sympathise Dawnstar- I too have resigned myself to temping indefinitely having done so since I was let go from a fixed term job 2 years ago. And it's exactly as you describe- why would they pick me/you over 'normal' people when especially nowadays there's so, so many people for each job, all equally qualified. Even if both of us I don't doubt have ample CV experience that shows we can do the job. One funny thing given mine and @theatremonkey 's chat about breaking stuff in the Company thread, is that i'm dyspraxic too, so incredibly accident prone, yet the job that is happiest with me in years is a gallery full of breakables. Yes, I have a fairly long CV by now: I've been temping for the same company over 11 years, ever since I graduated. At least I know I must be fairly good at what I do, as my current job is my 2nd stint in that department & the previous one was my 3rd stint in a different department, but what I'm good at (repetative tasks involving lots of data, mostly) isn't enough for a permanent job when even a basic admin role on 20k a year can have 70-80 applicants. On the plus side, at least I don't have to do the every more frequent appraisals that the permanent staff have to do which I think would drive me to madness (if I'm not mad already!).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:45:48 GMT
Yes I entirely sympathise Dawnstar- I too have resigned myself to temping indefinitely having done so since I was let go from a fixed term job 2 years ago. And it's exactly as you describe- why would they pick me/you over 'normal' people when especially nowadays there's so, so many people for each job, all equally qualified. Even if both of us I don't doubt have ample CV experience that shows we can do the job. One funny thing given mine and @theatremonkey 's chat about breaking stuff in the Company thread, is that i'm dyspraxic too, so incredibly accident prone, yet the job that is happiest with me in years is a gallery full of breakables. Yes, I have a fairly long CV by now: I've been temping for the same company over 11 years, ever since I graduated. At least I know I must be fairly good at what I do, as my current job is my 2nd stint in that department & the previous one was my 3rd stint in a different department, but what I'm good at (repetative tasks involving lots of data, mostly) isn't enough for a permanent job when even a basic admin role on 20k a year can have 70-80 applicants. On the plus side, at least I don't have to do the every more frequent appraisals that the permanent staff have to do which I think would drive me to madness (if I'm not mad already!). It is frankly ridiculous the long list of things that are 'on paper' required to get even, as you say the most 'bottom rung' of admin jobs. Add to that people like you and I who also would get the silly 'too experienced' element thrown about too- despite also being at the same time 'not qualified' maddening! I hope at least you keep up the sustained temping!
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 28, 2019 19:59:56 GMT
It is frankly ridiculous the long list of things that are 'on paper' required to get even, as you say the most 'bottom rung' of admin jobs. Add to that people like you and I who also would get the silly 'too experienced' element thrown about too- despite also being at the same time 'not qualified' maddening! I hope at least you keep up the sustained temping! I suppose if they got a really good AI data processing system then I might be redundant but given they've spent 5 years trying to get a not particularly cutting edge data processing system to work & there are still problems with it, I suspect that I don't need to worry for a while! I hope you contine not to smash anything up!
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Post by peggs on Feb 28, 2019 21:42:16 GMT
Not sure I'd want to work for an employer that deactivated a spell-check without telling you. That's a horrible attitude. With hindsight I suspect it was rather more the person interviewing that the organisation and yes you're right and it did rather accurately portray them in one quick action.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 28, 2019 22:07:21 GMT
I have a nasty tingly feeling that I might be getting shingles again.
Fingers crossed I’m wrong, because eurgh! Once was bad enough.
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Post by daisy24601 on Feb 28, 2019 22:27:13 GMT
Filled with rage at not getting a 'dream job' (or even a second interview) because I 'failed' the Excel and proof reading (on paper) tests. I'm dyslexic, and these two things are my nemesis, but also things that are easily remedied and supported in the workplace. I've never had a manager I've worked for have cause to complain about my ability in either, but obviously in 'test conditions' I'm not able to use any of my usual 'coping stategies'. An infuriating state of affairs, and fuels the idea that dyslexia isn't 'real' But more so than that, because these tests are 'standard' in so many jobs I'm increasingly of a mind that I'll remain unemployable forever. I'm sorry you have to face that, it's very frustrating knowing you are completely capable of the job but don't get considered because of A, B and C. I applied for one today but because of my CV I doubt I will get an interview. However I did have an interview today for a job I don't really want but is better than nothing! Also got a trial shift on Saturday for another. Both minimum wage and part time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 9:49:18 GMT
Not sure I'd want to work for an employer that deactivated a spell-check without telling you. That's a horrible attitude. Oh no they made you proof read on a bit of paper to 'test' your proof reading abilities. I've also had one on a computer with spellcheck disabled. It's all some HR/employment theory that you have to be tested on your ability to do it without technology to prove you're suitable for the job...which is ridiculous. Because in the job you'd be using a normal computer with spell check. And have access to the internet. And ask colleagues to double check work (as most people do dyslexic or not if it's public facing). The excel thing also. I've always worked with saved formulas, and notes/cheat sheets that relate to the repeated tasks I do in excel. Because obviously it's job dependant. I'd never ever claim to be an Excel 'whizz' but I get by...like most people!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 15:47:06 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 1, 2019 18:00:45 GMT
Yesterday was likely my last day in London for some time due to work reasons and what a corker it was.
I'd decided to queue for an All About Eve matinee dayseat and arrived in time to be the first matinee taker. So far so good.
But the idea of going to the Berberian matinee was niggling at me. Two close friends I was meeting later were attending it, and I reasoned that as I wouldn't be back before the end of its run but might be before the end of Eve's run, AND there was a very nice stalls seat available for BSS, I should go over to Plan B.
So I bought the ticket, finished my pleasant chat with a queue guy and headed off to do some shopping. On Great Marlborough Street I saw Simon Russell Beale waiting for Schott Music to open. I don't often go up to people but thought I would as he wasn't really doing anything. We had a very pleasant chat in which he described the Almeida Rii experience as "completely bonkers" and politely asked what I did for a living and about my theatre interests. Throughout this he was carrying a bookshop bag with one of those big fluffy luridly multicoloured dusters sticking out of it. Then the shop opened and we said cheerio, and I left him trying to control the duster which was a-flippin' and a-floppin' hither and thither. I wouldn't have had that encounter if I'd stuck with Eve.
An excellent lunch then Berberian which I thoroughly enjoyed. Cocktails at Scooters, my favourite place in London, with my friends then BFI for my first BUG screening in ages and very good it was. I was greeted by a former colleague I hadn't seen for a while and had a nice chat with him.
A good dinner rounded off a splendid day.
Today's been mainly on the train to Inverness. Oh, and becoming Great Uncle for the first time, to the newly arrived Eric.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 1, 2019 18:15:13 GMT
It looks like you have the opposite problem in job hunting to what I have. I can usually do any tests alright but am terrible at being interviewed. A pity we can't do a joint job application where I do the test & you do the interview!
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Post by dontdreamit on Mar 1, 2019 19:23:01 GMT
Young Dream got their first choice secondary school place today- many, many people did not, so much relief here for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:43:11 GMT
It looks like you have the opposite problem in job hunting to what I have. I can usually do any tests alright but am terrible at being interviewed. Same here. When I was last job hunting one job started me off with a timed home test; it had two parts and I apologised for not finishing the second part, and they said most people didn't finish the first part. Then I had a technical interview, and did reasonably well. Then I had an interview with the management and crashed and burned like you wouldn't believe. The chair I was sitting on could have put in a better performance. In fact it probably did, considering that it was there the next week and I wasn't. More recently I found out I have ASD, and suddenly a whole load of things made sense. If only there was a way to get a job without that tedious talking-to-people bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:48:40 GMT
It looks like you have the opposite problem in job hunting to what I have. I can usually do any tests alright but am terrible at being interviewed. Same here. When I was last job hunting one job started me off with a timed home test; it had two parts and I apologised for not finishing the second part, and they said most people didn't finish the first part. Then I had a technical interview, and did reasonably well. Then I had an interview with the management and crashed and burned like you wouldn't believe. The chair I was sitting on could have put in a better performance. In fact it probably did, considering that it was there the next week and I wasn't. More recently I found out I have ASD, and suddenly a whole load of things made sense. If only there was a way to get a job without that tedious talking-to-people bit. Indeed. I've found (probably after spending time teaching) I got better at the talking to people bit, but nobody is at their best there. There's also the scenario where you walk in and within seconds get the 'well THEY hate me' vibe and you're stuck still trying to impress them for 20-30 minutes...
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 1, 2019 20:04:16 GMT
Indeed. I've found (probably after spending time teaching) I got better at the talking to people bit, but nobody is at their best there. There's also the scenario where you walk in and within seconds get the 'well THEY hate me' vibe and you're stuck still trying to impress them for 20-30 minutes... I just cannot do the trying to impress them bit at all. I could happily sit there for 15 minutes & tell them why I'm not very good at anything but doing the "I'm fabulous, you must hire me" thing I find absolutely impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 20:14:48 GMT
Indeed. I've found (probably after spending time teaching) I got better at the talking to people bit, but nobody is at their best there. There's also the scenario where you walk in and within seconds get the 'well THEY hate me' vibe and you're stuck still trying to impress them for 20-30 minutes... I just cannot do the trying to impress them bit at all. I could happily sit there for 15 minutes & tell them why I'm not very good at anything but doing the "I'm fabulous, you must hire me" thing I find absolutely impossible. Same. I'm good at answering the kind of direct questions 'give us an example of doing x' because that doesn't feel like 'showing off' and it's factual and almost quantifiable, but I don't have the ability to be like 'I AM THE BEST PERSON EVER HIRE ME'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 20:58:19 GMT
"What do you consider your greatest weakness?"
"I think sometimes I care too much about the quality of my work, which is why everyone who criticises it must die."
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Post by longinthetooth on Mar 1, 2019 21:13:59 GMT
I remember a job interview (many years ago), whereby they created a scenario and I had to role play accordingly. Basically, I was left in a room, with a laptop and phone, and given various tasks. I was told at some point the phone would ring, at which point I was to answer it, in character, and react accordingly. Unfortunately, a technical problem arose with the laptop, so I had to use said phone to summon assistance (which was definitely not part of the plot). This took a while to sort out but the problem was finally resolved, and the phone duly rang, basically to say fictitious boss had been delayed abroad and therefore all meetings I had set up would have to be rearranged. I set about this, only then to be summoned out of the room, saying I had failed the test because I had run out of time! They completely ignored the fact that the technical blip had delayed all my efforts. Oh well, I never wanted to work there anyway.
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Post by Tibidabo on Mar 1, 2019 22:54:00 GMT
Ever been interviewed by a panel of 10 year olds? They don't make them like they used to you know. No sense of humour whatsoever any more.
Child on Panel: Do you like children? Me: Only with stacks of ketchup.
Blank looks all round.
(I got the job and they were soon rolling in the aisles. Obvs. 🙃)
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Post by showgirl on Mar 2, 2019 5:07:51 GMT
On the other hand, you might get the job (which happened to me, after attending one of those group sessions in a hotel where you have to perform tasks in front of others, including taking a mock phone call), only to receive the contract and think "You must be joking - I'm not signing up to this!"
Obviously it was a fairly basic job but it really appealed to me and would have used transferable skills. But the contract included a requirement to work unpaid overtime; if necessary to work from an alternative centre which was miles away and would have involved a long and difficult journey and to attend a 4-week training course in the depths of winter, the whole of which I would have to repeat if I missed even a single day due to severe weather/travel difficulties.
Maybe others agree to this all the time and I'm used to some unpaid overtime working within reason, but I felt I'd have been signing my life away with this organisation.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Mar 2, 2019 10:22:25 GMT
@theatremonkey. classic technique from he Chekhovian interviewing school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 11:36:36 GMT
Adventures in Dog Sitting woe...not only did the dog wake up and bark at midnight, then 2am, then 2.30 am, then 3am (repeat every 30 minutes until 7am...) it's also unable to be left alone in a room- not even long enough to say use the toilet or shower. It's not the dog's fault- it's only 8 months old and clearly not ready to be farmed out to sitters. But I very much wish poeple would realise this, or at least be honest before they do (as in if we/other sitters are aware 'can't be left alone' that's one thing, or 'tends to bark at night') but of course, people lie...
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