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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 23, 2017 17:05:53 GMT
When I was a student in Birmingham around 1493 there was a record shoppe with a big sign just inside You can say what you like about Francis Albert Sinatra, But in this shop… it better be polite. I would like to celebrate the demise of the sadly missed specialist independent record shop. Oh the joy of physically holding something you'd previously only heard of... Of browsing for whole afternoon...of having to get up, get dressed and go downtown and ask to hear something before you could buy. I have still have some vouchers for the Dress Circle reward scheme. For fans of musicals it was a little bit of heaven in Upper St Martins lane. This was before the internet and it was stuffed with soundtracks of the latest shows from Broadway that you’d never heard of. When did it go and join the galaxy of online retailers? www.dresscircle.com/ My all-time favourite was Caruso and Co. They were near the umbrella shop (I think that’s gone too) where Shaftesbury Avenue meets Bloomsbury Way. Owned and run by an Old couple in I think the late 80s who loved all aspects of great vocal music. Can’t have been that busy as they were happy to chat and play you music for hours. Mainly Opera but I think I bought my first album of Chanson form them. After that they moved to a pedestrian alley somewhere in in Fitzrovia(?). But it didn’t last long. I went back there one day and it was shut. One of the hairdressers smoking outside next door, said they’d hardly been open since the move and she though that he had become ill. Within a year it was gone. I have projected all kind of romantic notions into what happened there. Youngsters will be amazed that there once was a London shop selling nothing but film music at the bottom of Dean(?) St. And there was an excellent Cinema bookstore in Great Russell St, just by Tottenham Court Road. I don’t lament the passing of Tower Records. It was huge taking up the entire store across several floors of the corner plot where Regent St and Piccadilly met. This was about 23 years ago. I was invited to an industry do where drink but very little food was served from 5 p.m. About 10 PM I staggered down Regent St to find that the legendary Barbara Cook was performing in the Green Room (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Cook) of the Café Royal. It was full except I could sit on a stool at the bar. More Champagne was ordered and then I was told food was only served at the tables. Next morning, I was very quiet at breakfast. Mrs Snow produced a Tower Records bag continuing 10, yes TEN full priced CDS. She then proceeded to establish that not only could I not work out how I got home but that I had no idea what the CDS were! The killer was when she said “I thought you were saving up to replace our CD player that was stolen last month!” I had nothing to play them on! Discovering a huge record store is open 24/7 (as they say today) when ‘tired and emotional’ can seriously damage your wealth. Tower Records also failed my test because it was too corporate. You never saw the same assistant twice and you couldn’t build any rapport like you could with the owner of a small shop. Not only that if you got to know the owner …well there was a stall in Kingston Market in the late 70’s where once he got to recognise you he’d ask “Have you got the live album?" As long as you were cool and didn’t say “They haven’t done a live album?” he’d say come back in 2 days and you could return for a bootleg. Particularly cool in 1976 to own Electrif Lycanthrope by Little Feat and Back it Up! by Nils Lofgren (a bootleg of a bootleg no less en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_It_Up!!) (PS I always heard the best place in London for scoring bootlegs was Kensington Market but I always felt out of place with the way everyone dressed! Disco time!) I’m sure others will come to me, but where were your hangouts of choice? (I'd like it if people want to widen this to include long lost bookstores).
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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 23, 2017 17:23:50 GMT
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There was a small chain in London in the 90’s? ‘London Discount Classical Music’? It had a big branch on the Strand opposite Charing Cross and then they later took over the shop of the ENO at the Colosseum. NO owner prescence but knowledgeable helpful staff, and a time when my musical appreciation was heading in every direction, the pricing was very tempting. Bought an autographed copy of Kiri singing Songs of the Auvergne there.
Am I dreaming? but wasn’t Dress Circle once very close to the old Covent Garden Market? Was that pre CD?
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Post by alece10 on Jan 23, 2017 17:38:45 GMT
When I was a teenager in Cornwall I used to go to this record shop in St Austell called Saffron Recordscand the guy there used to recommend music to me. He introduced me to Al Jarreau, Manhattan Transfer and Jazz Funk.
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Post by glossie on Jan 23, 2017 18:01:54 GMT
I have fond memories of a shop in Fishponds, Bristol - wracking my brains to remember the name - I think it was called 'James' and was an electrical retailer which sold records upstairs. They had the listening booths where they would play any record you were 'intending to buy...' or not...
I still remember how fantastic it was to be taken with my brothers by our dad to get our first ever records ( 6/7d if memory serves) after Father Christmas had bought us a Dansette for Christmas! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 18:05:32 GMT
Well the Music Library (where the Music Librarian would inspect your stylus before you were allowed to borrow!) came before any of these shops for me... Hours and hours spent browsing through a collection of dust-covered old 33 rpms. And you were allowed to listen to chosen tracks too when it was quiet.
Then Our Price... V trendy!
Dress Circle had a certain mystique in the old days- you had to walk up some stairs into their space in Covent Garden market, not really knowing who or what you'd find up there... (This was before they moved to behind the cage off Seven Dials.) No scary librarian, but the staff were always rather scary for one reason or another. Scary prices too.
I remember the other Films and Shows place too in Soho, but it seemed to be full of all the dust-covered LPs that the library no longer wanted. A bit seedy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 18:10:58 GMT
More thoughts There was a small chain in London in the 90’s? ‘London Discount Classical Music’? It had a big branch on the Strand opposite Charing Cross and then they later took over the shop of the ENO at the Colosseum. NO owner prescence but knowledgeable helpful staff, and a time when my musical appreciation was heading in every direction, the pricing was very tempting. Bought an autographed copy of Kiri singing Songs of the Auvergne there. It was called MDC - possibly renamed from "Discount Classical Music"? They had the store next to the ENO (now Notes wine bar) and also one of the shops at the riverfront side of the Festival Hall (now Foyles). I think prior to that they perhaps had a small shop inside the Festival Hall? The chain closed down in 2010 - www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2010/jul/28/independent-classical-shops-mdc-record
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Post by viserys on Jan 23, 2017 18:40:11 GMT
I have still have some vouchers for the Dress Circle reward scheme. For fans of musicals it was a little bit of heaven in Upper St Martins lane. This was before the internet and it was stuffed with soundtracks of the latest shows from Broadway that you’d never heard of. When did it go and join the galaxy of online retailers? www.dresscircle.com/ This makes it sound like it was such a long time ago and to me it feels like yesterday. I still think of Dress Circle every time I walk along St. Martin's Lane. Although I am admittedly probably part of its downfall as CDs were cheaper to get elsewhere, especially foreign cast recordings, once the internet made it possible to order from basically anywhere in the world. I also think Dress Circle missed a chance to "go with the times" so to speak, transform the basement into an (albeit tiny) performance space where musical performers could promote and sign their CDs and similar things (and thus lure people in). Or even find other bigger premises to combine a CD store with a little cafe, offer a schedule similar to what the Theatre Cafe does now. As for Tower Records on Piccadilly Circus, well yes, it was huge and corporate but I remember a time when there were THREE large music stores around Piccadilly - that one, Virgin Records and HMV. At least the Tower Records store is now a fashion store, while both the Virgin and HMV simply flog cheap tourist tat made in China and it's just sad. Charing Cross Road used to be lined with bookstore after bookstore, only a few remain now.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 23, 2017 19:10:30 GMT
I have my very old Miss Saigon Cast Recording which I bought from a shop called I think MVC in Bexleyheath, you needed a membership card before you could purchase, it still has the price tag on in and was priced at £24.99.
With inflation you can buy the same Cast Recording through Amazon for £18.98 or £5 cheaper through secondary traders on the same website.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 19:20:47 GMT
If we are talking about musical CDs,, there was briefly a very welcome small shop in Manchester's Corn Exchange in the early 90s that I liked to go to. Slim pickings at that time for such music before I moved down south and, along with Dress Circle's old catalogues that they would send out, my lifeline to anything other than the most mainstream shows.
Also in Manchester, Yanks in some back street that sold vinyl for ridiculously low prices in the eighties and one on Blackfriars street just before the bridge caled Robinson's where, in the seventies, I could get even the most obscure import on coloured vinyl!
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Post by d'James on Jan 23, 2017 19:36:46 GMT
I have my very old Miss Saigon Cast Recording which I bought from a shop called I think MVC in Bexleyheath, you needed a membership card before you could purchase, it still has the price tag on in and was priced at £24.99. With inflation you can buy the same Cast Recording through Amazon for £18.98 or £5 cheaper through secondary traders on the same website. I loved MVC. Used to have two local to me.
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Post by stefy69 on Jan 24, 2017 8:45:21 GMT
Ooh I love record shops and I'm old enough to remember the orignal Virgin store in Oxford Street ( the Tottenham Court Road end ) that was above a shoe shop.
Fab Fab days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 8:52:23 GMT
I have my very old Miss Saigon Cast Recording which I bought from a shop called I think MVC in Bexleyheath, you needed a membership card before you could purchase, it still has the price tag on in and was priced at £24.99. With inflation you can buy the same Cast Recording through Amazon for £18.98 or £5 cheaper through secondary traders on the same website. I loved MVC. Used to have two local to me. I worked in MVC through University both in Nottingham and Cardiff. Loved that shop! (and staff discount kept me in DVDs and CDs as well)
The classic shop in Cardiff 'Spillers' which has since moved to make way for a Doc Martins shop but at least still exists.
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Post by mallardo on Jan 24, 2017 9:11:27 GMT
If you're ever in LA LA Land be sure to check out Amoeba Records on Sunset near Vine in Hollywood - a huge old style emporium for music of all kinds including a huge stock of cast recordings, new and used. I have picked up many an out of print OCR there, most for under ten dollars (seven pounds?). The place is always full of collectors (and civilians) so they're proving a record store can still thrive if the marketing and the prices are right.
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Post by Musicality21 on Jan 24, 2017 9:50:06 GMT
I used to work in an MVC when I was at college and start of university until it went into administration. I absolutely loved working there and was unofficially put in charge of the classical/soundtrack/musical section. They even put some of the CDS on in the shop during the day even though I'm sure it wasn't to everyone's taste. Such good memories of working there.
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Post by anita on Jan 24, 2017 10:27:01 GMT
In the 60s there wasn't a record shop as such in Burnt Oak where I lived. You had to go into "Rumbellows" the electric goods shop & see if they had the LP you wanted from their limited selection. Remember going up to HMV in Oxford Street with my dad in early 70s to buy Peter Wyngarde's LP because I couldn't get it locally. While we were there a group of Hari Krishnas passed & the staff put on George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" at full blast.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 25, 2017 8:39:46 GMT
So many memories stirred. Our Price, Kingston. How did I miss that one. Probably received the biggest share amount of my cash over the years. MDC. tick! Yes the Original Dress Circle was on top of the Covent Garden Market building, up steps on the South Side. I think I only went once but liked it more than the newer one. I agree U St M lane was scary. Very cliquey and sky high prices. But where else provided that fix? Apparently there’s a documentary about the down fall of Tower Records. RIP 1967-2006 www.imdb.com/title/tt3272570/So the only places I ever specifically look out for CD’s today are. Charity Shops. Great if you haven’t got the complete oeuvre of Catherine Jenkins! Oxfam have specialist Book/Music outlets where I’ve had success in Winchester and St Albans. At their prices you can afford to take a chance. There’s a good classical shop with some real bargains where Great Marlborough St meets Noel St. Walk from there down towards Great Windmill st and there’s a no of second hand CD stores. Excellent value but mainly Rock and some Jazz, World. Flicking though the covers is a lost pleasure. But CD’s were never as nice as LP albums, even if it meant the shop could hold and display more stock. The Record Shop. RIP circa 2009?
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Post by SamB (was badoerfan) on Jan 25, 2017 13:36:10 GMT
Yes the Original Dress Circle was on top of the Covent Garden Market building, up steps on the South Side. I think I only went once but liked it more than the newer one. I agree U St M lane was scary. Very cliquey and sky high prices. But where else provided that fix? The first time I went to Dress Circle, in about 2003, I asked if they had Frances Ruffelle's new solo album in yet, and mentioned I had downloaded one of the tracks that she had put on her website for free. Cue a tirade from the man behind the till about how I was destroying the music industry and ruining performers' livelihoods by downloading from the internet. The fact that the performer in question had uploaded the track on their own website and invited people to download it seemed to be irrelevant. So not only cliquey and rude to customers, but displaying a complete lack of understanding of the online world and the future of the music industry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 9:42:51 GMT
Andy's Records! I used to have loads of friends that worked there and they sold me Moulin Rouge 2 days before it came out!!
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Post by sylviaborin on Mar 30, 2017 9:21:56 GMT
Thanks for the memory of Caruso and Co. I visited that shop in 1988 on holiday from Australia. I couldn't resist a record shop with ''Caruso' in the name. As I recall, at street level it was a normal record shop specialising in classical voice, but downstairs was an Aladdin's cave of old 78 rpm records on shelves lining the walls or being played on a gramophone by someone who, I guess now, must have been one of the brothers you mentioned. I couldn't buy a heavy 78 to carry back but, upstairs I bought a cassette of Malcolm McEachern, which I still have.
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Post by Mr Snow on Mar 30, 2017 11:09:06 GMT
The Classical/Jazz shop I referenced in Great Marlborough St is Harold Moore’s Records. www.hmrecords.co.uk/Or maybe was. Walked past the other night and it was closed. Can’t’ remember the exact wording of the sign in the window re refurb, but I left with no confidence it would be back. It’s inevitable, but still very sad.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 30, 2017 19:26:03 GMT
The only one we had was Woolworths where we would spend hours as children browsing the cassette singles, the stationery and the pick n mix. I miss that shop!
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Post by joem on Mar 30, 2017 21:10:20 GMT
In the 60s there wasn't a record shop as such in Burnt Oak where I lived. You had to go into "Rumbellows" the electric goods shop & see if they had the LP you wanted from their limited selection. Remember going up to HMV in Oxford Street with my dad in early 70s to buy Peter Wyngarde's LP because I couldn't get it locally. While we were there a group of Hari Krishnas passed & the staff put on George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" at full blast. I miss all record shops. But it's all right, we can steal all our music from the internet now. I know the producer of the Peter Wyngarde album by the way.
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Post by Mr Snow on Mar 31, 2017 7:26:01 GMT
^ That the one just along from the Palladium? A couple of years back I was upset to see most of their vinyl stock in a skip outside. Thats the one. Can we see you? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10932730PS "a couple of years back...." Tempis Fugit.
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Post by loureviews on Mar 31, 2017 9:54:27 GMT
Manchester way we had Discland/The Golden Disc, Our Price, Andy's Records, Vinyl Exchange, HMV Video, WHSmith Sound and Vision, and more. For books we had Gibbs hidden down Charlotte Street way.
I loved the big Tower Records in London. Much missed.
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