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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 7:04:58 GMT
Tony this better get it after the Silliness with Kinky. Just seen there is another bear on the board. Competition for old timer bear Burly? Back on topic I am now rather keen to see this, after initial indifference (bored with films converted to stage). Andy is part of the draw. So much on holding back on any more theatre bookings for the moment.... Just came back to add the thought that I love reading this board, but it's not doing my budget any good. Every time I think no more bookings I read interesting reviews and out comes the credit card! Then I think about all the great stuff I would have missed - life is for living and all that
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 23, 2016 7:08:02 GMT
Tony this better get it after the Silliness with Kinky. Just seen there is another bear on the board. Competition for old timer bear Burly? Noooo! There can only be one Burly!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 7:09:57 GMT
Just seen there is another bear on the board. Competition for old timer bear Burly? Noooo! There can only be one Burly! Any new bear on the board has fierce competition on the avatar front as well
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Post by Nelly on Jul 23, 2016 9:19:28 GMT
I saw this last night and absolutely loved it! I came out with a proper buzz and a big smile on my face.
It was a joy to see Andy Karl on stage again having seen him a couple of times on Broadway. You do see him go through that journey, his comic timing is superb and he's got a great voice.
The cast work their asses off in this and it really pays off. It looks great and each ensemble member has their little quirks and characterisations which makes it fun to watch. I guess they might not even be referred to as ensemble if a lot of them are named characters in the programme!
Whilst I'm on the subject of the programme, what's with the lack of head shots! Really bothered me especially as I'm not fantastic with remembering names etc! Boo!
The much discussed song at the beginning of act two was great! Don't see the big deal seeing as lots of sub characters get their little moments, she's got a great voice so why not! On that note, I was surprised they gave a solo to Andrew Langtree. I wasn't a massive fan of him in when I saw him in Ghost but thought his character in this was played well but he's got quite a weak voice but the song itself was quite nice and he just about pulled it off.
I must say I felt sorry for the cast in this heat AND under a lighting rig walking around in thick winter clothing, a lot of sweat from the get go from a lot of them!
I loved the design of the show, so many clever bits of staging and set design and the lighting was great. I thought Andy's voice was a little lost in the sound mix when everyone was singing which I'm sure is still being tweaked.
All in all a great night out, one of the best things I've seen in ages. Tim Minchin is a very clever man! I'd love to see it have a life after the Old Vic!
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Post by neilmbrown on Jul 23, 2016 9:50:37 GMT
Received this email from the Old Vic:
"Groundhog Day is one of the biggest shows that The Old Vic has ever produced. The decision has been made to remove two matinee performances on Wednesday 27 July and Wednesday 3 August to allow us a little more time to polish the technical aspects of the show. We are contacting those audience members to offer an alternative performance or arrange a full refund (including booking fee)."
Damn, I had tickets for Wednesday, and with 5 days notice. I can go to another date, but a friend was coming down on the train specifically to watch it. Does anyone have any recommendations of what to watch instead that would have a matinee showing for Wednesday? Thanks very much for your help.
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Post by lou on Jul 23, 2016 10:18:54 GMT
Received this email from the Old Vic: "Groundhog Day is one of the biggest shows that The Old Vic has ever produced. The decision has been made to remove two matinee performances on Wednesday 27 July and Wednesday 3 August to allow us a little more time to polish the technical aspects of the show. We are contacting those audience members to offer an alternative performance or arrange a full refund (including booking fee)." Damn, I had tickets for Wednesday, and with 5 days notice. I can go to another date, but a friend was coming down on the train specifically to watch it. Does anyone have any recommendations of what to watch instead that would have a matinee showing for Wednesday? Thanks very much for your help. Show Boat has a matinee on a Wednesday, as does Funny Girl.
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Post by jampot on Jul 23, 2016 11:34:45 GMT
allow us a little more time to polish the technical aspects of the show. That's a shame. Also, maybe, a euphemism. They should never have staged the show during Groundhog mating season. Half the cast are on Tindr, the other half on toptable.com. No wonder they couldn't get them working every afternoon... Going next sat matinee phew. But i suppose they could still cancel...think they would of done so in this announcement...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 11:38:50 GMT
allow us a little more time to polish the technical aspects of the show. That's a shame. Also, maybe, a euphemism. They should never have staged the show during Groundhog mating season. Half the cast are on Tindr Prob more likely Grindr......
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Post by kathryn on Jul 23, 2016 11:52:13 GMT
I'm going to today's matinee. Will let you know if I spot any differences from the dress.
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Post by stevej678 on Jul 23, 2016 17:27:52 GMT
I was also at the matinee today and thought this is looking in superb shape. The audience were certainly loving it, with a full standing ovation at the end.
I loved the much-discussed opening of Act 2, a gorgeous melody beautifully sung by Georgina Hagen. It's Andrew Langtree's number which I thought was the one moment where the show really sagged. That's the only part of the show which really stands out as needing to be revisited.
Overall though, I thought this was very slick, technically hugely impressive and a terrific, feel-good score. Andy Karl and Carlyss Peer are fantastic. I would love a cast recording to happen.
Surely this has a string of five star reviews heading its way? No doubt Mark Shenton will tell us it's the best new musical since Bend It Like Beckham.
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Post by foxa on Jul 23, 2016 19:37:15 GMT
I have two friends from the U.S. who are seeing the show tonight, so glad to hear it was well-received at the matinee today. BTW, Theatremonkey, one of my U.S. friends was looking up details in preparation for queuing for day seats and he said, 'You probably haven't heard of it, but I'm on a website called Theatremonkey that is so helpful, it's practically my bible,' etc. etc. I had to explain to him that we were practically besties (well, that's my story at least and I'm sticking to it.)
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Post by kathryn on Jul 23, 2016 20:20:31 GMT
Well, I loved it again. It was well-received generally, I thought - not quite a full standing ovation up in the Lillian Bayliss, though. Lots of generally happy chatter on the way out.
I think they've changed the staging of the opening number a bit, but that's the only difference that stuck out other than an improved sound mix. I'm sure they are tweaking lots of things and I just wasn't observant enough to to spot them, though.
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Post by theatreliker on Jul 23, 2016 20:22:37 GMT
Really looking forward to seeing this in August.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 23, 2016 21:51:53 GMT
I'm there on thursday. Praying we don't melt into the seats! Are they selling proper programmes for this yet? No they're not, they are selling programmes, but not proper programmes. As they have no song list, since Matthew Warchus took over the programme quality has gone down, to a mere brochure. I don't care about 'a year in numbers', 'board of trustees,' 'the supporters,' 'play your part' or 'young voices'. What I care about is a song list and who is singing what, that is what I pay £4 for. i am disgusted with the Old Vic and quickly losing faith in Matthew Warchus.
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Post by talkstageytome on Jul 23, 2016 22:11:25 GMT
Yes, I bought one when I went a few days ago. Apparently songs are still being moved around and cut / added, but I found the lack of song list quite frustrating
Can't understand why a programme without cast headshots in it is useful at all. Isn't the main purpose of a programme to tell you who you're seeing in the show? Very annoying.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 23, 2016 22:23:45 GMT
Tim Minchin has just said on Twitter that they will be putting a curtain call number in.
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Post by firefingers on Jul 23, 2016 22:24:40 GMT
I saw this this evening and loved it. Still needs a tweak here and there but nothing major. It wasn't too repetitious despite the subject matter, and Andy Karl is bound to get an Olivier nom for beautifully displaying the levels and changes within Phil. Surprised they are making such radical changes that they need to cut performances, but hey ho. Can see the reviews being glowing.
-Puts on sound engineer hat- You get to know sound designers over time and I feel Simon Baker has the same issue he had with Matilda. Solos fine, band fine, but ensemble numbers have the vocals disappearing. But that's what previews are for, and I recognised a few very good people at the sound desk post-show so think it is in safe hands.
All in, £10 bloody well spent.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 24, 2016 0:00:58 GMT
So more shock they have pulled a couple of matinees to allow more rehearsals, they are moving songs, even though I thought a song is written to enhance that part of the book, so really cannot be moved, without harming the flow of the book, anyway this should have been sorted in the rehearsal studio. You shouldn't charge for a show, unless you are confident it is ready, previews aren't for making wholesale changes and really there to make small changes. Other than that the good news the show show isn' a complete mess, it is just a mess. But then again Broadway audiences are in for a treat that we have been guinea pigged, so we can export a 'perfect show', to them.
I found one of the problems is that the style of music that Tim composes and this is the same for Matilda that vocals get lost, I found this more prevelant in the first half. So the issues with clarity may not be with the sound system, but with composition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 0:21:23 GMT
Well, I loved it again. It was well-received generally, I thought - not quite a full standing ovation up in the Lillian Bayliss, though. Lots of generally happy chatter on the way out. I think they've changed the staging of the opening number a bit, but that's the only difference that stuck out other than an improved sound mix. I'm sure they are tweaking lots of things and I just wasn't observant enough to to spot them, though. I was in the stalls for the matinee and there was what looked like a total standing ovation. I loved it, wasn't sure at first but was very moved by the end. I love a good redemption story! Only thing that needs sorting, as has been mentioned, is the sound mix where Karl is being drowned out, better diction on those sections would help him too (but his performance is excellent). Overall it's already in excellent shape. Easily the best musical I've seen for a while, better than anything last season for a start.
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Post by firefingers on Jul 24, 2016 0:23:32 GMT
I found one of the problems is that the style of music that Tim composes and this is the same for Matilda that vocals get lost, I found this more prevelant in the first half. So the issues with clarity may not be with the sound system, but with composition. Even 10 years ago I would have agreed with you. But if Hamilton can work, so can anything Minchin can pull out of his mind, particularly in a 1000 seat venue (the Palladium is more of a challenge) and on a show where budget is pretty much no issue. Sound changes massively with an audience in etc so is pretty much the last ingredient to be added into the show, but I can't see a reason why we can't get Minchin's word heard before press night, especially as it was eventually managed with Matilda.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 24, 2016 1:33:03 GMT
Matilda was famously not nominated on Broadway because of this in the best sound category.
A lot off stuff I found hard to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 1:54:10 GMT
Having heard recordings the diction was poor for the Broadway Matilda especially from the children. In London I had no problems at all. The only difficulty I had here was due to Karl's microphone being too low in the mix (plus his diction early on in the show). There were one or two instances of feedback, which I presumed were them trying to boost him.
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Post by andrew on Jul 24, 2016 7:24:18 GMT
You shouldn't charge for a show, unless you are confident it is ready, previews aren't for making wholesale changes and really there to make small changes. To be fair, if you end up at the point where the show is in previews and you feel there's still big problems with your show, what else would you do? Until your get the thing running on a set, with effects, costumes, orchestra and an audience you're not going to know what works and what doesn't. That's the entire point of previews. AlthoughI agree that it is annoying, particularly for us as we generally attend during previews. It's cheaper because you're seeing something unfinished.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 9:17:23 GMT
So more shock they have pulled a couple of matinees to allow more rehearsals, they are moving songs, even though I thought a song is written to enhance that part of the book, so really cannot be moved, without harming the flow of the book, anyway this should have been sorted in the rehearsal studio. You shouldn't charge for a show, unless you are confident it is ready, previews aren't for making wholesale changes and really there to make small changes. Other than that the good news the show show isn' a complete mess, it is just a mess. But then again Broadway audiences are in for a treat that we have been guinea pigged, so we can export a 'perfect show', to them. I found one of the problems is that the style of music that Tim composes and this is the same for Matilda that vocals get lost, I found this more prevelant in the first half. So the issues with clarity may not be with the sound system, but with composition. Technical rehearsals, not show rehearsals. The show that got a massive standing ovation yesterday is ready. I imagine they are working on things like speaker positioning (or extra ones), otherwise doing a complete tech to change sound levels. When did you see the show?
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Post by kathryn on Jul 24, 2016 10:42:08 GMT
I'm not sure how a show can be described as a mess when it has been so consistently well-received by audiences that have seen it.
I mean, the friend I went with in the 15th said she'd have been quite happy to pay for it, and that was the dress rehearsal!
Not everyone will love it, but not everyone loved Matilda, either.
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