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Post by joem on Oct 23, 2016 22:28:11 GMT
I've been to a couple this week and Halloween (dread festival) is just round the corner. So this is kind of semi-topical, not just on a frolic of my own here hopefully.
The big question is: has anyone ever seen a play in the horror genre which really frightened them? Do they exist? I am not referring to violence, or thrillers or anything like that. I'm thinking supernatural, psychological thriller and so forth. "The Woman In Black" is a huge box-office hit but I saw it in amatinee performance with a bunch of sixth-form kids and very few of them seemed to find it terrifying. Likewise "Ghost Stories" which has had a couple of decent runs.
Is it simply a case of wrong medium? Any ideas?
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Post by Jon on Oct 23, 2016 22:33:25 GMT
It's not horror but Deathtrap has a few jumpy moments.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Oct 23, 2016 22:37:52 GMT
The Woman in Black takes more s*it than it deserves, imo. Yes, it's dated and yes, it's not a masterpiece in the first place. But it's a very well crafted show and when I saw it at the age of 17 it made me jump on my seat in a couple of occasions. And the sound of the rocking chair is quite hunting. I was in the fourth row of the stalls tho, I can't immagine watching it from the upper circle.
There are some horror(ish) plays like Let the right one it or The Weir, but the latter is a bit of a cheat - I mean, they tell ghost stories, the horror is not the in the plot itself.
Yeah, actually I don't know, it's a great question. Maybe horror plays are not a thing because no great horror writer wrote one? No Ira Levin, no Agatha Christie.
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Post by mallardo on Oct 24, 2016 7:07:44 GMT
Let The Right One In had an overall creepiness that was unsettling, to say the least, and a big scare moment near the end. It's the darkest and most successful horror genre piece I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 7:21:44 GMT
Woman in Black is a classic of what good theatricality can do. And it still scares me (on stage, let's not talk about the film).
I'm a bit of a horror wuss so other than that I've got nothing...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 24, 2016 7:35:44 GMT
Woman in Black : Totally lame. Not a jump or a scare in it. Likewise with the film.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 24, 2016 7:38:15 GMT
Never been terrified in the theatre (unlike film).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 8:50:14 GMT
Horror is an extremely difficult genre to pull off on stage because it's extremely subjective. What scares one person might not do it for someone else - for instance, someone who's always been worried about the possibility of ghosts in their house wouldn't be able to handle a film like The Others, or someone with a deeply religious background would find The Exorcist most terrifying, or someone who knows that the real monster is man would be most freaked out by Hallowe'en, or someone who's very down-to-earth and eschews all things fantastical may nonetheless be extremely unsettled by Black Mirror - and in the same way that we judge comedy on whether it makes us laugh or not, we tend to judge horror on whether it makes us frightened or not. Which I always found unfair, precisely because of just how subjective horror is. If you're not scared of ghosts in creepy houses, then you might think The Woman in Black is entirely rubbish (there's even an example in this very thread!), even though it's also a very good example of how theatre works, how you can start with an empty stage and a couple of actors and - in spite of the lack of complete realism - expand it out into a fully fledged story in a way that can *only* be achieved in theatre. Anyway, I've given it a lot of consideration over the years, and there's basically two different sorts of scare, which I like to call the Jump and the Creep. The Jump is what it sounds like, the theatrical (or cinematic or whatever) equivalent of someone jumping out and shouting "boo!". It's quick, it's startling, it gets the heart-rate up, and it's over very quickly. The Creep is less about the single moment than the Jump is, and is more about the dreadful anticipation during the moments where nothing quite so obvious is happening. I think the most successful horror pieces manage to strike a good balance between the Jump and the Creep. The Woman in Black, for instance, is largely about the Creep (personally I find the Creep much scarier, because those are the moments that come back to haunt me when I'm alone on a dark night) but it also has its Jump moments, which in addition to increasing the heart-rate also helps shatter the safety of the fourth wall as the more excitable audience members around you start screaming. It's difficult to be entirely blasé when everyone else around you is terrified, and The Woman in Black plays into that. Ghost Stories too (which I always found played better with my horror-movie-loving friends than with my theatre-loving friends) has plenty of moments of quiet dread punctuated with startling moments. The only other horror plays I've seen that really worked for me were The Turn of the Screw at the Almeida, which wasn't great as a play but REALLY played on some fears that are extremely personal to me, and a short play by Lucy Kirkwood called Psychogeography, that was largely Creep but with a couple of very satisfying Jumps. I know a lot of people found Deathtrap unbearable, but as it was a thriller that was largely based on Jumps, it didn't really do a great deal for me. And I'm never entirely sure that horror and thriller should be as conflated as they often are anyway.
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Post by anita on Oct 24, 2016 9:04:15 GMT
Susan Hill's book "The Woman in Black" is much scarier than any film or the stageshow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 9:07:32 GMT
See, I'm the other way round, I personally thought Stephen Mallatratt took a fairly standard ghost story and elevated it into something special. But then I did read most (if not all) of Susan Hill's horror novellas in fairly quick succession, and they got very samey very quickly, which was a shame for me because I do generally like her style so really should have spaced them out more.
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Post by mallardo on Oct 24, 2016 9:43:23 GMT
I haven't see The Woman in Black so I don't know how it plays on stage but, to switch to another medium for a moment, I've worked on four horror films over the years and the one that was the most frightening was the one that was the least graphic - no special effects, no monsters, no real violence, just a series of small indications that something which is not alive is there in the house with you. Nothing can top our own imaginations for sheer horror.
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Post by mrcurry on Oct 24, 2016 10:29:46 GMT
The Woman in Black gets far too much hype. Don`t believe the hype. There is still a gap in the market for a horror play that approaches what is possible these days with technology.
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Oct 24, 2016 10:38:53 GMT
I've seen The Woman in Black twice. It's a play I prefer to read than watch live.
For me, if something intends to be scary it needs to be intimate. It needs to have equal focus on characterization and plot as well as trying to scare. Did any of you catch Stagefright at Bury St Edmunds Theatre Royal a few years ago? Act 1 of that built everything up, and Act 2 let everything down... Alas...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 11:08:54 GMT
Funny enough a colleague of mine saw Woman in Black this weekend and has described it as the only time screaming aloud in the theatre.
I do think venue makes a difference, it's wonderfully atmospheric at the older (admittedly bit run down) New Theatre in Cardiff. I imagine at a newer venue it loses some of that atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 11:10:57 GMT
I haven't see The Woman in Black so I don't know how it plays on stage but, to switch to another medium for a moment, I've worked on four horror films over the years and the one that was the most frightening was the one that was the least graphic - no special effects, no monsters, no real violence, just a series of small indications that something which is not alive is there in the house with you. Nothing can top our own imaginations for sheer horror. This, 100% the fear of what goes on that you don't see is far greater than what we do (mostly) as much as I'm intrigued by what high special effects might achieve in theatre, the storytelling aspect and how we interpret it will always be far more scary.
And like I say, as 100% scaredy cat myself, I can make it REALLY scary in my head with the right provoking
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Post by mrcurry on Oct 24, 2016 11:22:04 GMT
Older readers will remember the childrens TV show Jackanory. Were a cleb read out a story for 15 minutes. The show ended 10 years ago, and for good reason. People are much more sophisocated today and are generally not thrilled be being told a long story, even by two people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 11:26:44 GMT
Older readers will remember the childrens TV show Jackanory. Were a cleb read out a story for 15 minutes. The show ended 10 years ago, and for good reason. People are much more sophisocated today and are generally not thrilled be being told a long story, even by two people. Or maybe different people enjoy different things.
Someone mentioned The Weir above, which is essentially 5 people telling stories for 90 minutes, and makes for compelling interesting (and a bit spooky) theatre for some. But equally I can see how some people might get bored. Different things suit different people. That argument is like saying The Last Five Years couldn't possibly be enjoyed because we have the technology to produce something filled with illusions like Ghost. Different beasts, different moods.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 12:12:11 GMT
I agree wholly with the idea that the simpler and less explicit things are scarier because of the way our brains work, and I absolutely disagree that we can therefore should be doing more technically impressive stuff. Compare the practical effects of Jurassic Park with the CGI of Jurassic World - the more hands-on work still looks miles better to this day, and indeed it forced the makers to make a better film in the first place rather than ploughing on knowing they could plaster over the gaps later.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 12:18:54 GMT
Also they may not have Jackanory any more, but Cbeebies Bedtime Stories gallops on apace, because even a child knows that a simple story well told is better than a load of gratuitous bells and whistles.
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Post by anita on Oct 24, 2016 12:23:34 GMT
See, I'm the other way round, I personally thought Stephen Mallatratt took a fairly standard ghost story and elevated it into something special. But then I did read most (if not all) of Susan Hill's horror novellas in fairly quick succession, and they got very samey very quickly, which was a shame for me because I do generally like her style so really should have spaced them out more. "The Woman in Black" is in my opinion the only one of her stories worth reading. There is really nothing to any of her other ghost stories.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 12:25:46 GMT
Also they may not have Jackanory any more, but Cbeebies Bedtime Stories gallops on apace, because even a child knows that a simple story well told is better than a load of gratuitous bells and whistles. I thought they still did have some version of it. Personally I LOVED Jackanory as a kid...again just because we can do CGI filled tv shows (and they can be super fun) doesn't mean we ALWAYS have to.
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Post by mrcurry on Oct 24, 2016 12:59:38 GMT
Sorry guys I disagree. Previous posters mentioned Jurassic World. The movie was not some guy telling you a story about how he went to an island where there are dinosaurs. They actually showed you the dinosaurs. Jurasic World- $1.6 billion at box office. The Weir- most people have never heard of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 13:02:47 GMT
Except no one was actually comparing any of the Jurassic movies to The Weir. Plus, y'know, {Woman in Black spoiler - click to view} we do actually *see* the woman in black, so if you're keen on seeing the monster in question, then good news, she is literally right there in the show. The way you're phrasing it right now sounds like you walked out of The Woman in Black less than 10 minutes in. (Or that you've never seen it but the people who've spoken or written about it in your presence have been extraordinarily kind about spoilers up until now and I've just ruined everything but hey.)
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Post by d'James on Oct 24, 2016 13:06:54 GMT
Box Office gains don't necessarily mean anything other than that they had a lot of money to spend on promotion in the first place. To be fair, I did hear good things about Jurassic World, I just never got around to seeing it.
Back to horror. I would love to see more on stage. I always seem to miss it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 13:10:57 GMT
Film pitch: Dinosaurs in an Irish Pub.
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