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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 13, 2016 20:33:14 GMT
Buy-bye Daisy.
Zzzzzz
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 21:19:20 GMT
Daisy should've stayed in over Greg. Will be VERY surprised if it isn't Greg and Ed in the dance off next week \It'll be ridiculous if it isn't - all the other dancers are in a different league! And from those announced so far everyone else has a dance they should be good at. Hopefully it'll be a repeat of the year Judy Murray was in it and Blackpool will be the end of the road for Ed - one gimmick too far!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 13, 2016 22:10:28 GMT
It's not a dance competition. It's a Celebrity reality tv show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 22:16:21 GMT
Is it not both? If it was purely based on entertainment or what the public like then the judges wouldn't give scores (based on quality of dancing) that count for half of the final decision of who leaves each week. Same with the dance off, it would be decided purely by public vote.
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Post by lynette on Nov 13, 2016 22:21:36 GMT
Who is voting for Ed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 23:39:33 GMT
It's not a dance competition. It's a Celebrity reality tv show. It's a reality TV show about celebrities dancing, otherwise it wouldn't need the "Dancing" bit of the title. So there has to be some kind of dance ability shown and/or learnt. While Ed has progressed in ballroom, his Latin is still awful, and just doing pure comedy isn't enough at this stage of the competition. Anyway, I watch it to see people dance well and do exciting and difficult routines. That's my prerogative - I don't have to like the gimmicks, props and "comedy".
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Post by d'James on Nov 14, 2016 0:00:25 GMT
It's not a dance competition. It's a Celebrity reality tv show. It's a reality TV show about celebrities dancing, otherwise it wouldn't need the "Dancing" bit of the title. I think 'Strictly Come' might raise an eyebrow or two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 9:25:50 GMT
He is very entertaining, which is what a lot of people want from Saturday night TV. He will not win, but neither would those that have gone when he stayed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 10:49:10 GMT
Anyway, I watch it to see people dance well and do exciting and difficult routines. That's my prerogative - I don't have to like the gimmicks, props and "comedy". Yes, but you probably have a strong interest in dance. This is a mass entertainment show, watched by millions of the general public, and the details of the dancing just wash over the vast majority of us. We watch the reality aspect of the celebrities' progress and the suspense of their fate.
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Post by lynette on Nov 14, 2016 11:24:54 GMT
He is very entertaining, which is what a lot of people want from Saturday night TV. He will not win, but neither would those that have gone when he stayed. 'He will not win'. Ooo where have we heard that before this year...?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2016 11:41:00 GMT
The comedy one is always supported to stay in the competition waaaaay beyond the time when their dancing ability would normally see them leave. The producers do this by giving ever more crowd-pleasing funny/ridiculous dances and stunts to perform. They stay in the competition as much better dancers leave. As the final approaches the comedy one will be kyboshed by the producers who will give them a more serious dance which shows up all their many failings. The judges who previously loved them will now turn and the comedy one will be eliminated. This then leaves the final for "the chosen" i.e the ones who can actually dance.
No point in being annoyed about it, It happens every year and is intrinsic to the shows success. It's not really a competition because the outcomes are manipulated. And also not all of the celebs start from the same baseline, e.g. Danny. It's also no coincidence that theyre not referred to as the "contestants" but as the "cast". I'm sure Ed knows this and is having a great time performing until his time comes. It won't be doing his book sales any harm and given that he is effectively unemployed since the election he'll do well out of the exposure. Zero to Hero.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 14:27:34 GMT
In my opinion Ed (and Rinder for that matter) are different to the usual 'comedy' inclusions, in that they are genuinely trying to learn to dance and improving week on week. I'm really pleased Ed made it to Blackpool and I enjoyed his dance far more than others this week (frankly I'd happily watch it on a loop last week)
I'm a big dance person, and take 'real' dance seriously but Strictly is a dance/entertainment show and damn if I'm not entertained by him!
It's fair to say none of the others who have gone out would have won so Ed isn't depriving anyone of a 'win' and it doesn't strike me as any more contrived than having those with training primed to win and/or strategic celeb/pro partnerships designed to create a win..
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Post by vdcni on Nov 14, 2016 17:25:26 GMT
Yeah to be fair to Ed he's making an effort (unlike Ann Widdecombe) and mainly getting better (unlike Judy Murray) - I was actually surprised even with that music his salsa wasn't completely unrecognisable. And Rinder though I am not a fan didn't really need the comedy aspects he was lumbered with early on as seen over the last few weeks though he was overmarked on Saturday for what was a pretty run of the mill Foxtrot.
That said if Greg doesn't go this Saturday I would expect either Ed or Rinder to go as it becomes harder for all of them to avoid the dance off with less dancers in general.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2016 17:49:04 GMT
Judy "sack of spuds" Murray.
Not even a celebrity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 20:29:14 GMT
I don't doubt Ed is trying to improve but he isn't really. His Paso was his worst dance and that came weeks after week 1. He's better with some stuff than others but honestly he's just bad. Nothing against him as a person and I think he's doing everything he can with the experience.
Rinder on the other hand came out with that Cha Cha week one (which still to me is far funnier than any of Ed's offerings) and completely pulled it off, yet he can do a beautiful and serious quickstep or foxtrot too.
The thing for me is I love to rewatch my favourite dances and I know Ed isn't capable of pulling one off that I would want to rewatch. I didn't mind at first, but now that he's staying over people that have pulled great dances off (Laura's Waltz and Daisy's Viennese Waltz), it starts to get a bit irritating, because I just wonder what potentially great dances I'm missing out on. The same goes for Greg to be fair. It's not about who will win for me, it's about how many great dances I can get out of one season.
I know we all find different things entertaining and appealing, I'm just surprised more people aren't starting to find Ed a bit one note now.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2016 20:42:20 GMT
It's not about dancing it's about ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 20:43:40 GMT
Strictly's ratings are fine whatever happens.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2016 21:09:30 GMT
As long as they stick to "the format" yes.
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Post by wickedgrin on Nov 15, 2016 11:06:30 GMT
Yes, it's a Strictly Formatted Saturday Night Entertainment Show. It is not a "dance competition". I am amazed that with all the press coverage and social media attention these shows get - X Factor etc. that folk still take it so seriously. You just have to enjoy it for what it is. The "celebs" fit into neat folders - ex sport person, ex soap star, BBC announcer/newsreader/presenter, comedian etc. They are then given dances/costumes/routines to either suit their ability or not, then mix with high production values, acerbic/funny/knowledgeable judges and you have 10 million viewers. The original dance show competition "Come Dancing" died a death years ago.
The phone vote cannot be fixed but the judges marks can influence the final result with over or under marking and most importantly the routine/costume/music/dance choice and order of dancing has a huge impact on the public vote.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 12:14:19 GMT
I mean I think we all understand how it works but people can still have opinions on the results. I don't think that really counts as taking it too seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 13:25:27 GMT
I do get where you're coming from Snutte- and in some years I've 100% agreed with you. I'm just really enjoying Balls/Rinder this year for 2 reasons- firstly I'm a bit tired of the amount of already trained dancers we get now, which while making for brilliant dances also makes for a less interesting competition for me- I much prefer to see someone improve. Secondly while the 'comedy' person has previously been laughed 'at' and been all round useless, I think Balls (and Rinder who IMO is more of a 'middling' one or would have been a few years back) are both genuinely learning to dance, and that for me 'back in the day' used to be a joy of strictly.
But I do understand wanting to see 'good' dance. I'm a dance lover (I see far too many Strictly stars on tour as well as various ballet and contemporary performances) so I get where you're coming from, I just personally want something different from Strictly.
All that said, a Daily Fail article that says Balls is the 'Trump of Strictly' is a fairly gross comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 8:57:05 GMT
I mean I think we all understand how it works but people can still have opinions on the results. I don't think that really counts as taking it too seriously. Exactly - it's my opinion that the better dancers are more entertaining than Ed Balls and I'm just as entitled to think that as people are to like Ed! Also, lots of people forget that years ago there were many series where there were no "comedy" contestants after the first couple of weeks and everyone just got on with learning the dances rather than being fired out of cannons... The show still got millions of viewers, so it doesn't need the comedy element to be a success. That doesn't mean I don't see why people like Ed (and he's obviously a lot better than most of the comedy contestants from other years), but I don't feel the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:28:00 GMT
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Post by lynette on Nov 16, 2016 21:35:46 GMT
I think they could publish the order of dances in advance. Why not? I think they do manipulate.....oooo conspiracy theory but have we seen Danny do an American smooth? Huh? So saved for semi final eh? ( Did I miss it?) and I agree Ed is getting opportunity to be daft every week. Foxtrot? Has he done that yet? Oh well, higher forces are at work here. 😁
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Post by vdcni on Nov 16, 2016 21:54:53 GMT
Ed has had a good run of dances but after the jive this weekend he only has the Foxtrot, Rhumba, Argentine Tango, Viennese Waltz and Tango left. So more classic ballroom or romantic/sensual, not his speciality.
Danny is still to do the American Smooth.
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