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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 10:38:03 GMT
I do have to wonder whether there is a conflict with Craig judging her - given that he directed her in the Sister Act tour. It is very rare for one of the judges to have a significant previous connection with one of the 'celebs' - and it just made me think that it is something that the producers need to consider if they are going to bring in more people with stage experience under Craig. That's true and he's hardly been that critical of her so far. There's all this fuss about Debbie McGee having had dance training in the past and yet, Alexzzzzandra and Craig's professional relationship hasn't been mentioned. And of course it won't be mentioned either. I take some comfort from the fact that the celebrity who is supposed to be "amazing" from the beginning rarely (if ever) wins in the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 10:45:53 GMT
If people think Alexandra is boring, then what on earth do they think of Mollie, Gemma, Ruth and Charlotte?! They seem like nice people but their performances so far have left me cold- there is a total lack of stage presence or charisma. Heavens, they're dreadful aren't they? It's like a charisma vacuum has sucked them all up. I do want to congratulate the person who is styling Ruth though. Clearly, they are not a 'Loose Women' fan and is having some kind of joke at Ruth's expense. The celebrities in this series are pretty C-list for the most part. What did people make of Brendan/Shirley's interaction? Brendan so likes to think of himself as a bit of a rebel but he really needs to think before he speaks sometimes. He's written columns during 'Strictly' in the past and he's normally quite fair in those but on the show he just seems to say the first thing that comes into his mouth (however stupid) and comes across as rather petulant. Mind you, to be a little fair to Brendan, I don't think I'd be a happy chappie if I'd been saddled with Charlotte. Ouch. |
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Post by lynette on Oct 9, 2017 13:05:30 GMT
Has anyone checked? Was there any rise and fall? If Brendan is right then she should apologise and vice verse. Sets up the wrong kind of example for the kiddies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 13:17:34 GMT
My understanding of this little spat was that Shirley told them there should be no rise and fall. i.e. she had noticed Charlotte bobbing up and down like she shouldn't have been, giving the the dance the appearance of rise and fall. Brendan took offence as he was aware that this dance shouldn't have any, he'd choreographed the routine without it, but he had no control of his partner on the evening who was up and down like Piaf's drawers. They were speaking at cross purposes.
Brendan often thinks he had landed a winner with his partners and defends them willy-nilly. He came across as a naughty boy, and Bruno was right to tell him off. Good ole Len woulda told him to, "Turn up, put up, and shut up!"
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 9, 2017 13:48:52 GMT
I don't mind Alexandra either - I have no strong feelings either way, but her dancing is fab u lous.
I'm really surprised as to the dislike of Brian on here - his was the only name I got even vaguely excited about before the series started. His humour isn't in-yer-face or alternative and I think he comes across as a sort of Bradley Walsh-esque cheeky chappie. I'm also loving his relationship with new pro, Amy - he shows her a lot of respect.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 9, 2017 14:16:04 GMT
The costumes were mostly dreadful this week (even worse than the dancing). Clearly the producers want Simon off - giving him first slot and that truly awful costume. I was not surprised he was in the dance off. He would have gone too I think if he had been up against anyone else!
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Post by lynette on Oct 9, 2017 15:27:11 GMT
The appearance of rise and fall, eh? hmmm and how would that look different from rise and fall? I think that we miss things on the telly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 15:53:44 GMT
The appearance of rise and fall, eh? hmmm and how would that look different from rise and fall? I think that we miss things on the telly. There is no rise and fall in ballroom Tango as the correct posture is to dance the whole dance with the knees flexed and the steps grounded into the floor - there is none of the careful and graceful closing of the feet that you get in the other ballroom dances, where the legs should be straightened at certain points. Charlotte failed to keep in that low, flexed knees position for the whole of the dance, so it looked like she was going up and down, hence Shirley's comment. I think she was just trying to simplify it for viewers, who will have heard the phrase "rise and fall" plenty of times before. She wasn't saying that Brendan had deliberately choreographed or danced it that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 16:24:19 GMT
The appearance of rise and fall, eh? hmmm and how would that look different from rise and fall? I think that we miss things on the telly. I'm not sure what you're missing on your telly, lynette, but you have missed my point. poster J has had another go at explaining the same point I was making... In the interests of research, I have watched this dance back, courtesy of the BBC Strictly website. To me, there was no 'rise and fall' i.e. that graceful uppy-downy movement we have grown used to in some dances like the waltz. But she was all over the shop once she'd got off her motorbike (this in itself took a full 20 seconds of a 90 second routine  ) and Brendan dragged her round the dancefloor, reminding me of Colin Jackson with that dreadful rag-doll in the final all those years ago. (I wonder if he has ever forgiven Erin.) But I am no expert. Shirley is. She saw uppy-downy. Brendan reckons he didn't put any in. I did notice that Brendan was wearing rather tight jeans in an attempt to resemble someone from the film (Top Gun???) so maybe (and this is a long shot, I know) Shirley saw some rise and fall that I obviously missed from the comfort of my sofa. |
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 9, 2017 16:34:04 GMT
so maybe (and this is a long shot, I know) Shirley saw some rise and fall that I obviously missed from the comfort of my sofa. 😱 @caiaphas 😶 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 19:45:40 GMT
It won't have been rise and fall in the waltz sense because that is completely different - that comes from body shaping and rising through the feet when closing (in waltz and quickstep) or passing (in foxtrot) the feet, particularly on the second beat of the bar.
I've chatted to other dancing friends about this and we can only think that Shirley was just using terminology that the casual viewer would be familiar with as indicating an up and down movement rather than the flat way the Tango should be, as it's just not something that any pro would ever dance in a Tango.
So Shirley was right, she just used the wrong phrasing to explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 1:22:06 GMT
The best rise and fall was Ola in the Cat Suit back in the day.
With Brendan, I wonder if he isn't that good a teacher, he is a fantastic dancer but often he has partners he cannot get the best out of. Maybe he is going through the motions a bit, he has his own tour, his family, he can do the pro dances - Strictly is just a promo vehicle for his own shows in his mind maybe.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2017 19:38:04 GMT
Alexandra Burke is going to win this. That was a fabulous Tina Turner routine.
I bet she’s signed up for the tour already.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2017 19:38:30 GMT
And Jonnie was gorgeous.
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Post by Sue on Oct 14, 2017 19:48:52 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2017 19:51:36 GMT
Her hair killed it for me. What was that all about? |
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Post by Sue on Oct 14, 2017 19:54:26 GMT
She was in character. Hot character...so she had to keep the hair off her face you see!
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 14, 2017 20:49:34 GMT
Loved Alexandra, Aston, Jonnie, Debbie.
And Gorka......
Ruth's turn to upset the costume lady.
Thought the new singer did a good job with Brian's song.
And Gorka.....
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Post by missbabs on Oct 14, 2017 20:54:02 GMT
This is shaping up to be a good series. A great mix of abilities and characters.
Alexandra is something else! I think she could be one of the best dancers they've ever had.
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Post by theatreian on Oct 14, 2017 21:34:41 GMT
Alexandra was phenomenal tonight, in a class above anyone else. Hope not to read any negative comments bout her (Ryan!!) Or I will send the boys round!! Second thoughts you may enjoy that!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 23:24:31 GMT
Alexandra was in a class of her own tonight, absolutely phenomenal. She reminds of the wonderful Alesha Dixon in terms of her ability to dance and perform at the same time in Latin, which a lot of celebs are incapable of doing properly. Hopefully she'll follow Alesha and win the whole thing.
I loved Susan tonight as well though - content-filled Quickstep, danced to the best of her ability and she looked like she was having the time of her life. It made me smile!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 10:31:52 GMT
Sorry theatreian, I'm so over Alexzzzzzzandra and no amount of Tina Turner impressions will change that. Tina has got more talent and charisma in one of her old wigs than Alexzzzzzzzandra will ever have. Note to other celebrities for next year though, make sure you work with Craig first, you'll reap the rewards in his "judging" later.
Again, Susan and Jonnie were the highlights for me. They're what the show should be about.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 15, 2017 10:55:15 GMT
Sorry theatreian, I'm so over Alexzzzzzzandra and no amount of Tina Turner impressions will change that. Tina has got more talent and charisma in one of her old wigs than Alexzzzzzzzandra will ever have. Note to other celebrities for next year though, make sure you work with Craig first, you'll reap the rewards in his "judging" later. Well, I don’t think anyone is comparing AB’s talent to that of the incomparable Tina, but her performances so far have been really good and I speak as someone with no investment in her whatsoever (I thought she was rubbish in Sister Act). And I know her mother’s death is very recent and it’s absolutely understandable that she’s mourning her and thinking about her but I think she should be trying to do that in private. I’m letting her off with last nights show of emotion but that’s it now Alexandra, let’s not let your bereavement be a subject of every weeks performance, even if the producers want it to be part of your “story”. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:11:45 GMT
Sorry theatreian, I'm so over Alexzzzzzzandra and no amount of Tina Turner impressions will change that. Tina has got more talent and charisma in one of her old wigs than Alexzzzzzzzandra will ever have. Note to other celebrities for next year though, make sure you work with Craig first, you'll reap the rewards in his "judging" later. Well, I don’t think anyone is comparing AB’s talent to that of the incomparable Tina, but her performances so far have been really good and I speak as someone with no investment in her whatsoever (I thought she was rubbish in Sister Act). And I know her mother’s death is very recent and it’s absolutely understandable that she’s mourning her and thinking about her but I think she should be trying to do that in private. I’m letting her off with last nights show of emotion but that’s it now Alexandra, let’s not let your bereavement be a subject of every weeks performance, even if the producers want it to be part of your “story”. Well I guess that's very much an X-Factor/reality TV/talent show thing though isn't it? In order to get the great unwashed on your side you've got to give them a sob story of some kind. To be fair to Alexzzzzzzzandra (and you'll rarely hear me defend her) that *is* the world she's come from so it's sort of understandable. People deal with grief in different ways too. Some like to keep it private, others are happy to do it in public. There's no right or wrong way really. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:23:21 GMT
People deal with grief in different ways too. Some like to keep it private, others are happy to do it in public. There's no right or wrong way really. For once I agree with you on this - I don't think anyone should criticise her display of emotion last night as we can't know what she's going through, and she may just be an emotional person. I know I'd probably be blubbing in that situation! The adding additional "z"s to Alexandra's name is getting tiresome though, and to be honest I find it a bit offensive and disrespectful that you're messing around with someone's name like that just to repeatedly make the same point...I don't find it funny or clever. |
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) and Brendan dragged her round the dancefloor, reminding me of Colin Jackson with that dreadful rag-doll in the final all those years ago. (I wonder if he has ever forgiven Erin.) But I am no expert. Shirley is. She saw uppy-downy. Brendan reckons he didn't put any in. 
