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Post by Jon on Apr 10, 2023 10:46:22 GMT
In regards to singing along, I think shows should be clear that it's not allowed unless specified like at Tina.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 10, 2023 10:49:36 GMT
One way to deal with latecomers/toilet trip makers is to have an area set aside in a foyer or bar where people can watch the show on a screen until the interval/next opportune moment. That allows them to continue to watch what they have paid to see and to not disturb others Some do. From what I can remember the NT and Sondheim theatre do and I am sure there are some others.
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Post by marob on Apr 10, 2023 10:58:12 GMT
One way to deal with latecomers/toilet trip makers is to have an area set aside in a foyer or bar where people can watch the show on a screen until the interval/next opportune moment. That allows them to continue to watch what they have paid to see and to not disturb others Some do. From what I can remember the NT and Sondheim theatre do and I am sure there are some others. I ended up watching a screen in the upstairs bar when I was late getting to the Noel Coward theatre, so maybe it’s something they do at all Delfont MacKintosh theatres?
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Post by NorthernAlien on Apr 10, 2023 10:59:01 GMT
I admit I'm in a time-haze due to Easter etc, but is this the same night as the two women who were screaming over 'I will always love you'?
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Post by richey on Apr 10, 2023 11:10:06 GMT
I admit I'm in a time-haze due to Easter etc, but is this the same night as the two women who were screaming over 'I will always love you'? same night but earlier in the show during Act 1 apparently
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Post by zahidf on Apr 10, 2023 11:47:17 GMT
Ha
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 10, 2023 15:14:06 GMT
GBNews are talking about whether lockdown has resulted in a reduction in etiquette now (Don't judge me, my parents have it on) It has been an issue from well before 2020. But it does seem that reports are more frequent since things reopened I don't think GB News had formed by 2020 so not sure it was an issue before then?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 10, 2023 15:20:40 GMT
I was clearly talking about theatre etiquette issues being an issue pre 2020....
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Post by sph on Apr 10, 2023 18:10:04 GMT
Oh dear. That Dr Rachel Broady has taken her shot and missed hasn't she? Behaving in a way which is mindful of the people around you at the theatre is not a form of oppression from the middle classes. It is simply functioning in a society in which you are not the centre of the universe. Plenty of working class people go to the theatre and don't get drunk and scream the lyrics over the performers.
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Post by lynette on Apr 10, 2023 18:37:37 GMT
Rachel Broady obviously picked the wrong shows to go to. I was enthralled by theatre from day one, everything I was taken to by my mum and dad, from Lennie the Lion to drawing room comedies and then when I got to choose back in the day, London, I didn't feel in any way oppressive. I think she is daft.
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Post by jek on Apr 10, 2023 19:01:09 GMT
I've just been booking some tickets for Ronnie Scott's. You have to sign terms and conditions under which you explicitly recognise that the venue is not a place for a group of people (large or small) to chat over the performance.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 10, 2023 19:19:04 GMT
I've just been booking some tickets for Ronnie Scott's. You have to sign terms and conditions under which you explicitly recognise that the venue is not a place for a group of people (large or small) to chat over the performance. I was just watching the Burt Bacharach concert recorded at Ronnie Scott's on BBC and realised that the last time I was there was in 1977! Went to see drummer Buddie Rich. I remember the air was thick with smoke and my eyes were stinging from it. Looks a lot nicer now.
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Post by theatreian on Apr 10, 2023 21:30:03 GMT
Yes the Bacharach show was really classy. Great music and vocals.
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Post by sukhavati on Apr 10, 2023 22:00:09 GMT
I was clearly talking about theatre etiquette issues being an issue pre 2020.... I really feel it's to do with the general decline of civility in society, full stop. Compounded with instantaneous communications at our fingertips which has exacerbated the sense of general entitlement, because instant satisfaction, whether it's an online order or a pub quiz answer. And alcohol, of course.
Social media has also helped fuel a group of people that might have been inclined to be self-absorbed in the first place. They see people who were "discovered" on TikTok or YouTube and feel that they too are great, undiscovered talent. If they didn't want to be noticed, why all the "A ***** reacts to *****" videos?
I think Cher put it best - back in the day she said that people didn't go to her concerts to see her - they wanted her to see them, to notice them. So full circle - that's how you get someone in the upper tier bellowing the lyrics at The Bodyguard. They want to be noticed.
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Post by lolalou on Apr 10, 2023 22:43:44 GMT
Think Cher has a point. The original Other Palace and west end Heathers was a nightmare. A competition to see which fan girls could quote/sing and scream their way through the show to get noticed by the cast. Who can forget the tray of cupcakes being slung on the stage? It was encouraged by CHF who announced the audience reaction made her feel like a rock star. I think Danny Mac also had a point in his recent tweet, it’s not just be quiet to be respectful to the ‘trained performers’ it’s just basic human kind manners to be respectful to the people around you?
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2023 7:54:41 GMT
Ben Richards has just posted that he on his way to This Morning to talk about Moulin Rouge and all things west end. Wonder if theybwill discuss bad behaviour and "Vanessagate".
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Post by ShoreditchTom on Apr 11, 2023 10:21:51 GMT
One way to tackle this may be to hit producers where it hurts (their wallet!) and demand a refund for all in your party if you've been disturbed by other audience members. Tickets aren't cheap and whilst I personally hate the complaint culture we seem to live in today there is an element of if you can't beat them join them!
I'm sure the initial response would be to fob off the issue but an increasing number of patrons demanding refunds because of the distress caused by other audience members may, sooner or later, draw further attention to the issue and perhaps see some action taken?
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Post by cmj on Apr 11, 2023 10:47:00 GMT
This Morning interview with Ben Richards didn't address audience behaviour at all. And, personal peeve, used promo shots of old cast when talking about Moulin Rouge.
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Post by adrianics on Apr 11, 2023 11:44:15 GMT
I saw the tweet this morning that contains footage of the Bodyguard singers and oh my GOD it's even worse than I could have possibly imagined, you can barely even call it "singing", it's just some moron bellowing at the top of her lungs with something vaguely resembling the rhythm, tune and actual lyrics of what the trained performer on stage is trying to sing, at what is supposed to be the emotional climax of the story the company has spent the entire evening trying to convey.
While I guess there's positives to be taken in that this incident following the discussion on This Morning earlier that day has forced this issue into mainstream discussion, I really don't see where we go from here or how the situation can be made any better. My wife and I so rarely go to the theatre these days having been regular attendees back when we lived in London, and the number one reason outside of costs is the behaviour of the audiences. The standard was always low and in fairly steady decline but post-pandemic has taken a Wile E Coyote-esque plummet off the proverbial cliff and is now so much lower than even I, a lifelong pessimist with an exceptionally dim view of human nature, ever thought it could go.
I posted a few months ago about going to see Play That Goes Wrong in Birmingham and having the experience ruined by a group of completely trollied women, who could barely sit upright in the chairs after the interval, who graduated from incessant talking to openly screaming at the poor actor who played Trevor whenever he went on stage. He and the whole company did their level best to ignore the antics but it was clearly throwing off their timing and rhythm. And this was on a Tuesday night, unfathomable to me to get so incredibly drunk on a working night. And what am I, or even the people working at the theatre, supposed to do about it? There were about 8 of them and clearly not the kind of people who would react well to being pulled up, and I just don't consider it worth the risk of physical harm or being pulled into their orbit should things really kick off, and I don't believe any FOH staff in this country is paid nearly enough or given appropriate training.
There is a fundamental sickness at the heart of British society, an ever-increasing subculture that revolves around getting blackout drunk before heading to any kind of social or extracurricular event, and the discomfort of those around you is either not a concern or part of the fun. This toxic combination of not being able to conceive of having a good time without being off your face on alcohol and often drugs and "oh my goodness, what are you like" humour in addition to a general downward slope towards total self-indulgence and entitlement we've all noticed since lockdown means that the 99% of the public who just want to enjoy themselves and make it home in one piece are forced to include dealing with such behaviour in our decision with what to do with our spare time.
Clearly, theatres are not going to spend the extra money to beef up their security or stop serving alocohol to even the most inebriated patrons, so no, not seeing where this can go or what any of us can do. It really breaks my heart.
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Post by maggiem on Apr 11, 2023 11:48:38 GMT
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 11, 2023 12:46:21 GMT
I think there's always been a bit of showing off at the theatre. The difference being that wearing a bright colours or lots of jewellery or sitting in a box doesn't make much difference once the lights have gone down.
Actually, I'd quite like a return to people dressing up a bit more, just as long as they were quiet!
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Post by alece10 on Apr 14, 2023 20:30:33 GMT
Singing at the theatre even made it onto Have I Got News For You just now.
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Post by theatregoer22 on Apr 16, 2023 19:41:20 GMT
Maybe not the worst behaviour, but last night at To Kill A Mockingbird two or three people turned up after the play had started with drinks glasses in hand.
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Post by sam22 on Apr 16, 2023 22:32:42 GMT
I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised this weekend. I went to Mincemeat, Lehman Trilogy and Bake Off and the audience were absolutely brilliant at all of them. Such a nice change!
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Post by Jon on Apr 16, 2023 22:47:49 GMT
I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised this weekend. I went to Mincemeat, Lehman Trilogy and Bake Off and the audience were absolutely brilliant at all of them. Such a nice change! Same with me, I saw Mincemeat and Dancing at Lughnasa and no bad behaviour to report.
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