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Post by alece10 on Apr 9, 2023 16:42:23 GMT
Alison Hammond has apologised on Twitter. Maybe someone more "teckie" than me could post the link?
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Post by n1david on Apr 9, 2023 16:47:26 GMT
Alison Hammond has apologised on Twitter. Maybe someone more "teckie" than me could post the link?
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Post by greeny11 on Apr 9, 2023 16:50:28 GMT
Pretty good statement to be fair - obviously she shouldn't have said what she said in the first place, but she's acknowledged the issues people had with her comments.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 16:58:08 GMT
Still needs to be said on TV.
That is there the damage was done.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 9, 2023 17:05:25 GMT
Alison Hammond has apologised on Twitter. Maybe someone more "teckie" than me could post the link? Nope, I don't buy it. The sniggering on TV showed their true colours. If she really believed this about theatre, she wouldn't have been so dismissive in the first place. My opinion of her went down massively and I see no reason to change that.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 9, 2023 17:15:56 GMT
Nothing from Vanessa who was the main culprit.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 9, 2023 17:38:30 GMT
Nope, I don't buy it. The sniggering on TV showed their true colours. If she really believed this about theatre, she wouldn't have been so dismissive in the first place. My opinion of her went down massively and I see no reason to change that. Totally agree. This is just damage limitation. We saw the true person and what they thought on live tv, don’t try and swerve it now that it’s causing you a social media problem.
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2023 18:12:43 GMT
Needs to be said on the telly in same time and format as the first remarks. That is what people watch. Not everyone who saw her in the first place has twitter.
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2023 19:04:17 GMT
The solution for bad behaviour in general is tasers, tasers and lots of tasers.
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Post by stevejohnson678 on Apr 9, 2023 19:20:05 GMT
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Post by n1david on Apr 9, 2023 20:00:04 GMT
If that's the case he needs to deal with the social media editors at ITV given they're the ones that put out the edited clip without his arguments in it. And "arguing AGAINST people singing too loudly"? How about singing AT ALL..?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 20:07:38 GMT
Dermot has judged that very badly
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Post by sph on Apr 9, 2023 20:19:33 GMT
The whole segment was badly misjudged. "The whole point is to sing along loudly whilst eating an ice cream!"
The stupidity of these talking heads on TV spouting nonsense for a paycheque.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 9, 2023 20:23:36 GMT
That is about as far from a genuine apology as it's possible to get, blaming US for taking issue with it rather than reflecting on what he said, like he's above criticism. Thought he was an OK presenter before, genuinely dislike him now.
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2023 20:24:50 GMT
I think people are getting carried away with suggesting Alison and Dermot should be forced to do a segment on theatre, it's not going to happen especially since they're off next week.
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Post by filendile on Apr 9, 2023 20:31:06 GMT
Singing at the theatre of course shouldn’t be done, but the twitter pile on Alison Hammond rubs me the wrong way. It feels like everyone who’s ever stepped foot on a stage is getting involved, all tweeting the same thing and patting each other on the back. I think she probably was just trying (and yes, failing) to be funny, let everyone know she loves Wicked enough to know the words and create a bit of light-hearted discussion. Anyone demanding an on-air apology needs to give their head a wobble, it’s not that serious.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 20:32:42 GMT
This Morning has to address this given how prominent the reaction has been.
The pressure is going to go away because of the Twitter comments. Indeed O'Leary's ill advised attempt to distance himself has made it worse
The theatre community is going to carry on raising the issues and that is only right.
Wishing won't make this go away. Each week we are seeing disruption in theatres round the country. The press will keep linking back to ITV
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 20:34:54 GMT
Singing at the theatre of course shouldn’t be done, but the twitter pile on Alison Hammond rubs me the wrong way. It feels like everyone who’s ever stepped foot on a stage is getting involved, all tweeting the same thing and patting each other on the back. I think she probably was just trying (and yes, failing) to be funny, let everyone know she loves Wicked enough to know the words and create a bit of light-hearted discussion. Anyone demanding an on-air apology needs to give their head a wobble, it’s not that serious. it has been on the BBC news pages for a couple of days. ITV won't like that sort of negative publicity. They will do something to try to draw a line under it and distance themselves.
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2023 20:50:26 GMT
This Morning has to address this given how prominent the reaction has been. The pressure is going to go away because of the Twitter comments. Indeed O'Leary's ill advised attempt to distance himself has made it worse The theatre community is going to carry on raising the issues and that is only right. Wishing won't make this go away. Each week we are seeing disruption in theatres round the country. The press will keep linking back to ITV I doubt ITV or This Morning will do anything about it. They're unlikely to fire Alison and Dermot for the comments or stop using Vanessa.
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Post by anthony on Apr 9, 2023 20:52:54 GMT
To be fair, bad behaviour is getting worse everywhere and is certainly not exclusive to jukebox musicals.
I wonder if the rise of ticket sites like TodayTix, where people who normally wouldn't go to the theatre, can get reasonably priced seats has contributed to this? Cultural capital is a real thing. Theatre being more accessible is great, but perhaps theatres need to be thinking about how they combat this. Perhaps it should be "if you sing even once, you are ejected", for example.
I went to see Phantom last week and was genuinely shocked at the amount of people mid row getting up to go to the toilet, etc, mid-act. They may as well have had a revolving door.
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2023 21:03:31 GMT
To be fair, bad behaviour is getting worse everywhere and is certainly not exclusive to jukebox musicals. I wonder if the rise of ticket sites like TodayTix, where people who normally wouldn't go to the theatre, can get reasonably priced seats has contributed to this? Cultural capital is a real thing. Theatre being more accessible is great, but perhaps theatres need to be thinking about how they combat this. Perhaps it should be "if you sing even once, you are ejected", for example. I went to see Phantom last week and was genuinely shocked at the amount of people mid row getting up to go to the toilet, etc, mid-act. They may as well have had a revolving door. I agree, people want theatre to be accessible to everyone but I think people need to learn to behave and it's not just a theatre issue, it's anywhere with a communal experience like cinemas, concerts, sport etc.
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Post by richey on Apr 9, 2023 21:06:13 GMT
GBNews are talking about whether lockdown has resulted in a reduction in etiquette now (Don't judge me, my parents have it on)
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 21:07:55 GMT
GBNews are talking about whether lockdown has resulted in a reduction in etiquette now (Don't judge me, my parents have it on) It has been an issue from well before 2020. But it does seem that reports are more frequent since things reopened
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Post by richey on Apr 9, 2023 21:20:00 GMT
GBNews are talking about whether lockdown has resulted in a reduction in etiquette now (Don't judge me, my parents have it on) It has been an issue from well before 2020. But it does seem that reports are more frequent since things reopened I would agree. We were threatened with violence after asking someone to stop singing along at Priscilla in Manchester years before lockdowns. Pleasantly surprised at the segment on GB News, actively saying however much you want to, don't sing along unless it's a specific performance and pointing out the issue in Manchester wasn't merely the singing along, but the level of violence it descended to.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 9, 2023 21:28:52 GMT
For many people, the first experience of live theatre is often a pantomime. And there active audience participation is very much part of the tradition.
I wouldn't want to change that tradition but we have to find ways of indicating very clearly how different theatre events require different behavioural norms.
Schools can play a big part on this. And, of course, parents and grandparents.
Theatres should, perhaps, return to the days of pre show announcements.
It will take a long time to break the current descent into frequent disruption
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Post by marob on Apr 9, 2023 21:45:26 GMT
They do promote a lot of shows on This Morning, so I’d imagine the criticism will be fairly short-lived. At most they’ll probably have an incredibly brief “oops, we got it wrong” non-apology moment on tomorrow’s show.
I do think people are losing a bit of perspective on this. Yes, the segment was stupid, but it’s the theatres that need to be doing more, or rather less in the case of pushing alcohol on people.
The been to some ATG venues recently where I’ve noticed they seem to have started to play a loud-ish ringtone every so often before the show. No announcement. Why can they not just say to out your phone on silent? Same with the no photography thing. Just make a loud announcement over the speakers and let the ushers do something more productive than traipse up and down the aisles with a sign.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 9, 2023 22:21:29 GMT
GBNews are talking about whether lockdown has resulted in a reduction in etiquette now (Don't judge me, my parents have it on) They are fine ones to talk about reductions in etiquette! 🙃
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 10, 2023 0:22:13 GMT
They do promote a lot of shows on This Morning, so I’d imagine the criticism will be fairly short-lived. At most they’ll probably have an incredibly brief “oops, we got it wrong” non-apology moment on tomorrow’s show. I do think people are losing a bit of perspective on this. Yes, the segment was stupid, but it’s the theatres that need to be doing more, or rather less in the case of pushing alcohol on people. The been to some ATG venues recently where I’ve noticed they seem to have started to play a loud-ish ringtone every so often before the show. No announcement. Why can they not just say to out your phone on silent? Same with the no photography thing. Just make a loud announcement over the speakers and let the ushers do something more productive than traipse up and down the aisles with a sign. Totally agree Bring back the serious pre show announcement. It’s like every one is pussy footing around the subject. ‘For the enjoyment of everyone around you please turn off your phone and no talking or singing during the performance. Thank you. It’s not hard
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 10, 2023 0:27:21 GMT
Twent to see Phantom last week and was genuinely shocked at the amount of people mid row getting up to go to the toilet, etc, mid-act. They may as well have had a revolving door. Have noticed ushers have pretty much given up the ‘you will be admitted or re admitted at an appropriate point in the performance. The first 35 minutes of a show I saw recently was a constant stream of latecomers. Then letting people back in from the toilet whenever. It used to be during applause at the end of a number? Whatever happened to that ?
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Post by justsaying113 on Apr 10, 2023 7:47:47 GMT
Such an interesting thread - but hasn't this decline in behaviour in theatres, cinemas and concert halls been brewing for some time? It's total selfishness and a culture in which many people now have the attention span of a gnat. It's got to a point where I'm going to fewer things. Is it not possible for these people to sit for a couple of hours without swilling plastic cups of pinot and stuffing their faces. It's even worse at concerts where there's a good chance that some idiot will have their camera in your sightline for most of the performance. The venues need to get their acts together.
By contrast, I was at a Thai boxing show on Saturday night and - apart from cheering supporters - the behaviour of everyone was exemplary and of the utmost courtesy. We do indeed live in strange times!
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