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Post by matilda1 on Apr 7, 2023 23:21:47 GMT
Yes sale of alcohol needs to be addressed, but people arrive intoxicated. Unfortunately nobody gets paid enough money to really deal with these thugs. How can a young person of 20 years be expected to deal with such aggression.
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Post by max on Apr 7, 2023 23:54:49 GMT
Just disgraceful behaviour and very worrying. Some people suggesting that this is a result of the piece on This Morning but Unfortunately, this behaviour seems ingrained. Only recently a young female FOH employee was knocked to the the ground. This has to be addressed before soy gets seriously hurt. Fortunately my daughter was not on duty tonight, but according to her colleagues who were,the situation was terrifying. An Usher working there tonight has tweeted that more than one patron cited This Morning in justification at the behaviour going on.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 8, 2023 6:47:29 GMT
I am sure that is the case for some of the behaviour but I doubt the "ladies" literally screaming the lyrics out were influenced by that. More so from excessive bank holiday drinking.
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Post by richey on Apr 8, 2023 6:49:45 GMT
And let's not forget the Manchester Evening News also posted that mocking article only days ago.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 8, 2023 7:31:09 GMT
It really is time for theatres to buck up and start dealing with the bad behaviour through zero tolerance. If you're drunk, behaving like a feral chav, heckling the cast or audience (unless it's a "heckle" type show) then you should be removed. There's nothing to stop theatres buddying up with other local businesses to share/borrow security, or for a security firm to offer a "bouncer on demand" type of service. It is the minority (as usual) creating the aggro, but these people need dealing with. If they can't handle their booze or are simply exhibiting a sense of over-entitlement, they need to be given one single warning that any further bad behaviour will result in their removal. Very many people are reluctant to intervene in public disorder situations, but the recent incident at Bat Out Of Hell showed that a few people making a stand is enough to persuade theatre management to act. On the same evening, I politely asked the person in front of me not to record the show on her phone, and she put her phone away and apologised.
I'm going to sound terribly old-fashioned, but one of the lovely things about theatre is the escapism. It feels like a special world away from the outside, and - effectively - the plebs who cause problems deliberately choose to smash the fourth wall, with complete disregard for the actors and audience around them.
The other bugbear that winds me up are people filming shows. At the recent final performance of Bat Out Of Hell, there was a lady in the front row (left hand side three seats in if theatre management are reading) who was recording the show on a camera/phone, that was tucked inside her cleavage. Being sat in the side box above the stalls, it was very obvious to me and I imagine it was to the actors on stage. So when a big number with lots of effects took place, her buxom lit up like a Christmas tree from the screen on the device. The biggest giveaway wasn't so much her own display of the northern lights, but her reluctance to raise her arms to clap like every other person in the theatre. Her arms stayed rigidly by her side and claps were clearly "muted" - presumably to avoid ruining her recording. I only hope that something went wrong with the sound or the recording, as I think this is a total liberty. Again, alert front-of-house staff might have dealt with her. Ironically, FOH reprimanded her equivalent on the other side of the front row, so I wonder if they were tipped off but got the wrong side.
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Post by drowseychap on Apr 8, 2023 8:31:33 GMT
Totally agree it’s a shame people don't know how to behave in a theatre these days !!! I’ve had so many bad experiences lately
On the other end of the scale tonight at comedy of errors in Scarborough we were asked to sing along and each seat had song sheets and encouraged throughout only 2 of us joined in 🎶🎭
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Post by NorthernAlien on Apr 8, 2023 8:55:47 GMT
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Post by BVM on Apr 8, 2023 9:13:54 GMT
I am sure that is the case for some of the behaviour but I doubt the "ladies" literally screaming the lyrics out were influenced by that. More so from excessive bank holiday drinking. You are quite right. Like all Twitter pile ons, the one vs Vanessa and Alison Hammond is becoming somewhat excessive and unpleasant. Clearly what they said was wrong, but they did not cause this. This problem is now so entrenched and endemic; the reasons are multi-factorial (but largely societal) and the solutions are far more complex than the grovelling apology from ITV being demanded. People who were already screamers of lyrics would do it regardless of Vanessa. People who didn't scream lyrics before won't start due to Vanessa. (Though I 100% agree their stance was incredibly unhelpful and ITV should be addressing the issue, not encouraging it).
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Post by max on Apr 8, 2023 9:43:54 GMT
They didn't cause the phenomenon existing in society. However there is evidence that they did contribute very significantly to causing what happened last night. A member of Front Of House tweeted that audience members had specifically quoted This Morning in justification/validation of their behaviour. Feltz, Hammond, O'Leary have powerful platforms to speak from - there's no Twitter pile-on, it's a Right To Reply.
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 8, 2023 10:02:39 GMT
They didn't cause the phenomenon existing in society. However there is evidence that they did contribute very significantly to causing what happened last night. A member of Front Of House tweeted that audience members had specifically quoted This Morning in justification/validation of their behaviour. Feltz, Hammond, O'Leary have powerful platforms to speak from - there's no Twitter pile-on, it's a Right To Reply. 100%. They broadcast their imbecile opinions into millions of homes. If thousands of people are bringing their stupidity to their attention then that is perfectly fair.
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Post by sukhavati on Apr 8, 2023 10:23:42 GMT
They didn't cause the phenomenon existing in society. However there is evidence that they did contribute very significantly to causing what happened last night. A member of Front Of House tweeted that audience members had specifically quoted This Morning in justification/validation of their behaviour. Feltz, Hammond, O'Leary have powerful platforms to speak from - there's no Twitter pile-on, it's a Right To Reply. 100%. They broadcast their imbecile opinions into millions of homes. If thousands of people are bringing their stupidity to their attention then that is perfectly fair. There's an argument happening on other social media platforms at the moment that people go to these types of jukebox musicals for the express purpose of singing along. My POV is that the majority of the audience is there to see and hear the professionals - if we wanted amateur night, we'd go to a karaoke bar. I haven't been to a jukebox musical since Movin' Out, and this is reinforcing that decision.
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Post by mkb on Apr 8, 2023 10:31:50 GMT
...And now, for some ludicrous reason, the lead actress is feeling the need to apologise... I think the primary motive behind her Instagram post is to make it clear that the decision not to finish the show was not what the cast wanted. Good on her for speaking up, I say. I find it mind-boggling that, the police having become involved, it wasn't possible to remove the offending parties and then complete the performance for the rest of the paying audience who had done nothing wrong. There will always be complete dicks who behave atrociously, especially when they are egged on by vile people like Vanessa Feltz, but ultimately it's the job of theatre management to deal with that, and some -- and I note it's often ATG houses -- seem to be singularly ill-prepared.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 8, 2023 10:34:19 GMT
We’re snobs apparently. Some bizarre opinions from people who think it should be a free for all. Including some performers.
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Post by BVM on Apr 8, 2023 10:36:17 GMT
...And now, for some ludicrous reason, the lead actress is feeling the need to apologise... I think the primary motive behind her Instagram post is to make it clear that the decision not to finish the show was not what the cast wanted. Good on her for speaking up, I say. I find it mind-boggling that, the police having become involved, it wasn't possible to remove the offending parties and then complete the performance for the rest of the paying audience who had done nothing wrong. There will always be complete dicks who behave atrociously, especially when they are egged on by vile people like Vanessa Feltz, but ultimately it's the job of theatre management to deal with that, and some -- and I note it's often ATG houses -- seem to be singularly ill-prepared. All my experiences to date of totally out of control audiences have been in ATG houses....
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 8, 2023 11:09:44 GMT
The This Morning segment was vile and the Twitter pile on is absolutely justified. It should never have been broadcast because there is no debate to be had. You do not sing along in a theatre, ever, unless it's a singalong or the encore. It was a disgusting insult to theatre, actors and audience, and they reinforced the kind of anti social behaviour exemplified in The Bodyguard incident. They ought to be ashamed of themselves, and should broadcast an apology and retraction of their comments about singing along.
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Post by Mark on Apr 8, 2023 14:37:10 GMT
The fallout from this incident is pretty big. Lots of rightful call-outs and I hope said presenters will be rightfully be removed from theatre guest lists. Would anyone actually base going to a show on whether they saw Vanessa Feltz on the red carpet?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 8, 2023 14:47:06 GMT
Hammond has made a career out of being a buffoon. To hear her saying “I don’t even want to see that show now” doesn’t surprise me, and frankly Alison I don’t The Bodyguard would want you to attend.
Vanessa Feltz is usually a bit more intelligent but the stuff she gets involved in selling on IG and TikTok suggests she’s an attention seeker who’ll do anything for a fee. And she seems to forget that while she’s performing on her daily 3 hour radio platform she has the ultimate privilege and power to shut anyone up by dumping a call or ending an interview.
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Post by sph on Apr 8, 2023 15:04:16 GMT
I'm not entirely sure Vanessa believes everything she says - seems like she's just brought on the show to give an opinion and she provides it for the sake of being on the side of the debate she's been asked to be on. If she'd been told to take the opposite angle she'd probably have done a good spout about how awful people who sing along are.
Alison seems to be talking nonsense in an attempt to seem "funny and relatable".
Bad segment all round. Next they'll have the Loose Women trying to bring back indoor smoking.
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 8, 2023 15:11:03 GMT
The fallout from this incident is pretty big. Lots of rightful call-outs and I hope said presenters will be rightfully be removed from theatre guest lists. Would anyone actually base going to a show on whether they saw Vanessa Feltz on the red carpet? I remember seeing her and then-husband Ben swanning around at opening night of Mary Poppins pre-pandemic. I certainly hope her invitations dry up after this debacle!
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Post by sph on Apr 8, 2023 15:17:29 GMT
She does seem to be one of those celebs who would get invited to the opening of an envelope for free press so I imagine she'll still be knocking around at the next one.
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Post by longinthetooth on Apr 8, 2023 15:21:01 GMT
I saw her once at a show, making sure everyone noticed her as she made her way up the aisle and into her seat, where she remained standing and looking around for some while.
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Post by mkb on Apr 8, 2023 15:26:51 GMT
A video shows ushers at the Palace Theatre Manchester with A3-size posters saying "PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SINGING ALONG. Thank you." (Their italics, not mine.)
How passive is that? It's meant to be a rule of the house but it's presented as a polite request. They might as well have added, "but don't worry if you can't help yourself, because no-one will stop you, and we don't want to be killjoys or we'll upset Vanessa Feltz."
If I were FoH management, the sign would be worded more emphatically and backed up by an audio announcement prior to each act saying simply: "Singing along is not permitted. Offenders WILL be ejected without refund."
You need to make it clear that you mean business, and then be true to your word. No pussyfooting around.
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Post by lynette on Apr 8, 2023 18:55:15 GMT
Def irresponsible of Feltz and Hammond. Did they think they were being funny and nobody would take them seriously? Never underestimate the stupidity of the general public, someone once said. I think they both should apologise on the same show to the same people and say they didn’t intend their remarks to be taken seriously and they should invite a couple of the show’s cast to come on and explain.
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Post by richey on Apr 8, 2023 19:26:15 GMT
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Post by crabtree on Apr 8, 2023 19:27:03 GMT
joining in is acceptable when encouraged by the performers, as in Mother Goose down the road, and everybody was good natured and kept quiet when they should. But oh dear, alcohol has so much to do with this. watching Imelda battle vainly on during Rose's Turn against a group of pissed women clapping and shouting 'go girl' nearly ruined my theatre going for life.
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Post by Matt on Apr 8, 2023 20:11:05 GMT
Someone was kicked out of Jersey Boys today, mid performance, 2nd row of the stalls. I don’t have the details, I just saw it on insta.
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Post by sph on Apr 9, 2023 1:27:23 GMT
But other than that, how was the play, Mrs Lincoln?
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Post by NorthernAlien on Apr 9, 2023 10:52:10 GMT
Kirsty Sedgman, whose PhD was all about this, has made a long twitter thread - no answers, but certainly some things to think about:
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 9, 2023 11:41:17 GMT
Her conclusion seems to be that some people like it noisy, other people like it quiet, you can’t provide both groups with what they want under the current arrangements so theatres should do performances in both styles.
She’s managed to get two books out of that!
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Post by richey on Apr 9, 2023 16:35:17 GMT
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