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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Nov 30, 2024 20:36:07 GMT
Is there any significance in text with this style of presentation ?
One regular poster uses it all the time and I thought that might be through speech to type software but now it's spreading.
Not criticising, just curious !
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Post by blamerobots on Nov 30, 2024 20:36:21 GMT
I do guess the transfer sits on whether this will bomb horribly in reviews or not lol
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Post by Matt on Nov 30, 2024 22:04:30 GMT
Is there any significance in text with this style of presentation ? One regular poster uses it all the time and I thought that might be through speech to type software but now it's spreading. Not criticising, just curious ! Me reading the first letter of each sentence like it’s some kind of code.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Nov 30, 2024 22:37:15 GMT
Saw this Thursday evening, second preview after Wednesday's cancellation. I felt horribly disappointed in the first 10 - 15 minutes, it felt rushed with actors going through the motions - but then the Unhappy number made me smile, I warmed to Leo Bloom, the introduction of the other actors on to the stage and the great musicality - my anxieties faded. I enjoyed the Springtime for Hitler number, it's never going to match the spectacle that was Drury Lane but it was fun. Overall I was entertained, I laughed, the music was great. Some of the staging worked well in the confined space (nod to Statue, Pigeons). I've given a solid 3 stars, plus a full extra star for the Statue who I thought threw everything into his little bit (lol).
My biggest problem was Andy Nyman, who I loved in Fiddler (and Hello Dolly), who seems to be playing Max as angry, humourless, spiteful and nasty. Shouting *at* the audience in the rundown of scenes in the show towards the end. No pathos, no comedy. Am I wrong in thinking you (audience member) want to see Max get one over on the tax man, you want to laugh at Max in the ridiculous situations as the scenes roll on. I felt uncomfortable with this bloke furiously hollering at me ...
My observations on only the 2nd preview, I really want to see this succeed - I think a bit of tweaking it'll be OK.
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Post by aloysius on Dec 2, 2024 10:10:58 GMT
My biggest issue with this production was also Andy Nyman. There was no warmth in his characterisation of Max, no over-the-top acting to match most of the other featured performers, very little fun. I think he's woefully miscast and that made me feel disenchanted and actually a little awkward - when your lead sucks some of the enjoyment out of The Producers then something is going wrong. It's a real shame as Marc Antolin is the polar opposite as Leo - warm, charming, hilarious and looks like he's having an absolute blast. I thought the Roger and Franz's were both great fun, though Ulla was somehow played too straight.
The staging is disappointing - though no lights blew during the performance I saw (I think maybe they've replaced the bulbs with LEDs?) It feels like the sort of flimsy set you'd get at a touring production of Heathers and really constrains the big dance numbers, which is a shame.
I still had an absolute blast and that's a testament to how good this musical is. Early days and certain quirks do show signs of a strong offering (I also loved the well-endowed statue). But if this is going to transfer the staging in particular needs a total rethink.
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Post by Rory on Dec 2, 2024 12:10:14 GMT
This doesn't sound ready to transfer.
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Post by Matt on Dec 2, 2024 22:41:30 GMT
Just saw this, and I had been following everyone’s reviews and opinions on it since first preview so I had a preconception of what it would be like. I saw the original London production so it had a lot to live up to.
I don’t think it’s half as bad as what people have made it out to be, BUT there’s a lot wrong with it and I wouldn’t say I loved it.
The biggest issue is Andy Nyman just choosing to do nothing with Max. It’s so by the script, no personality, no wacky wit, nothing over the top, but Max needs that. He was definitely a bit sick tonight, coughing a few times, taking throat lozenges at parts, holding back his voice a bit. I just felt very let down by his performance.
The set is very minimalistic, but not as cheap as what I read, it definitely doesn’t look like GCSE drama. I was actually worried that the lack of scale was going to be the biggest let down, but it actually didn’t bother me, apart from Springtime for Hitler. A flowery backdrop curtain is definitely GCSE level, surely they could have thought of something better?
Some of the comedy just didn’t land. Not much, but some notable lines. Is it just a bit dated? Old humour that we’ve moved on from? I’m sure there was more cut, but I definitely noticed they cut the line max says to Ula “in fact we’ve got many positions for you” or something.
The positives; Leo, Frank, Roger and Carmen are all brilliant.
This didn’t tarnish my memory of Drury Lane, and I had been begging for a revival ever since, and I’m glad I got to see it once again, but I think I’ve put it to bed now. I’m glad I saw it here rather than when it transfers to the west end, and I most likely will not see it again, unless they give it a massive west end make over and a different Max.
3 stars.
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Post by mrmushnik on Dec 3, 2024 0:35:58 GMT
So here’s my tuppence halfpenny. Mrs M and I ventured to the Menier last night.
We both saw the show almost 20 years ago at Drury Lane. We saw it about nine months in. The principals were sublime Fred Applegate (Max), John Gordon Sinclair (Leo), Don Gallagher (Roger), Stephen Matthews (Carmen), Leigh Zimmerman (Ulla) and Nic Colicos (Franz). I only know this because when we got home we dug out the programme to remind us of who we’d seen!
The biggest problem (and there are many) with the Menier revival is two-fold; firstly, Patrick Marber is woefully under qualified to have chosen to direct The Producers as his first major musical. It needs wit, charm, a wickedly mischievous sense of humour but above all, respect for the genre. As one of the original reviews said, “It’s a big, fat love letter to Broadway.”
Secondly, and most alarmingly, Andy Nyman just isn’t……funny. The show is built on the foundation of that role and without that, the whole thing sinks. You can have a brilliant Leo (as they do with Marc Antolin) but it’s Max who has to carry the show. Nyman just isn’t up to it and in a small fringe venue with no production values to speak of, he is woefully exposed.
At Drury Lane we laughed from beginning to end, such was the calibre of the cast we saw. Last night barely raised a chuckle. It really doesn’t deserve a transfer. 1 star. Would have been zero if there was the option.
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Post by Jon on Dec 3, 2024 0:43:32 GMT
It's interesting that Andy Nyman isn't working for some as Max because he was good in both Hello, Dolly! and Fiddler.
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Post by tmesis on Dec 3, 2024 9:08:48 GMT
I very much enjoyed this last night. Great cast; true Andy Nyman lacks energy but the rest of the cast were excellent and he didn’t detract from my overall enjoyment. Huge cast for The Menier and I would think their largest production to date.
Very enthusiastic audience - they loved it, with total standing ovation at the end. .
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Post by theatregod on Dec 3, 2024 9:12:46 GMT
How many in the band ?
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Post by Matt on Dec 3, 2024 9:17:15 GMT
I very much enjoyed this last night. Great cast; true Andy Nyman lacks energy but the rest of the cast were excellent and he didn’t detract from my overall enjoyment. Huge cast for The Menier and I would think their largest production to date. Very enthusiastic audience - they loved it, with total standing ovation at the end. . Not total standing ovation, there was a big chunk of us at the front who didn’t stand. I also disagree, I’d say there were only a few voices who were constantly laughing, including one woman who had the most annoying laugh ever. There were big laughs in certain parts from everyone, but I thought it was only a small handful for the most of it.
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Post by tmesis on Dec 3, 2024 9:18:23 GMT
Not sure - around 10. They were very good and sounded very full.
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Post by blamerobots on Dec 3, 2024 10:07:44 GMT
10 -- many of them doubling instruments though.
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Post by blamerobots on Dec 3, 2024 12:15:29 GMT
It's interesting that Andy Nyman isn't working for some as Max because he was good in both Hello, Dolly! and Fiddler. I'm also surprised as many coming out of first preview thought he was one of the highlights. I do think he plays the role much more mean-spirited though, but I still liked him.
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Post by showtoones on Dec 3, 2024 12:37:32 GMT
Is Joanna Woodward back in the show?
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Post by Matt on Dec 3, 2024 12:57:50 GMT
Is Joanna Woodward back in the show? Yes.0
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Post by matttom0901 on Dec 3, 2024 13:29:22 GMT
Seeing this tonight! I don’t know much about it so I am expecting nothing 😂
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Post by Jon on Dec 3, 2024 18:49:18 GMT
It's interesting that Andy Nyman isn't working for some as Max because he was good in both Hello, Dolly! and Fiddler. I'm also surprised as many coming out of first preview thought he was one of the highlights. I do think he plays the role much more mean-spirited though, but I still liked him. I wonder if Andy Nyman is basing his Max on Zero Mostel's Max who is much darker and meaner compared to Nathan Lane's Max who is very showy by compaison.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Dec 3, 2024 20:46:57 GMT
Maybe it's not Andy Nyman, maybe it's the direction he's been given ... It didn't work for me.
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Post by apubleed on Dec 3, 2024 20:48:18 GMT
Full disclosure I haven't seen any original production of 'The Producers' (although I have seen the 2005 film). I actually loved the production taking it for what it is - a cheap, off-west end production. I can't really imagine THIS production transferring to the West End. But I enjoyed it for what it is.
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Post by blamerobots on Dec 3, 2024 21:19:02 GMT
I'm also surprised as many coming out of first preview thought he was one of the highlights. I do think he plays the role much more mean-spirited though, but I still liked him. I wonder if Andy Nyman is basing his Max on Zero Mostel's Max who is much darker and meaner compared to Nathan Lane's Max who is very showy by compaison. This was my thought. I'm used to the very mean-spirited guy who learns to love that Zero Mostel played.
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Post by matttom0901 on Dec 3, 2024 22:23:10 GMT
Well this was amazing! I’d give it a 4, maybe even 4.5 out of 5! Loved it
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Post by martinlnmartin on Dec 4, 2024 0:45:26 GMT
Saw tonight and LOVED it! Audience LOVED it- got a standing O. Lots of laughs and fabulous singing and dancing. According to the usher, the actor playing Max has been very ill, but is on the mend. I found him funny and full of pathos. More Zero Mostel than Nathan Lane. I love the paired down set- actor forward, song and dance forward, no big sets to hide behind. Much preferred to original Broadway show....same laughs, but somehow Choc Factory production is twenty min shorter than original. Good work!
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Post by matthew90 on Dec 4, 2024 9:32:28 GMT
I wonder if Andy Nyman is basing his Max on Zero Mostel's Max who is much darker and meaner compared to Nathan Lane's Max who is very showy by compaison. This was my thought. I'm used to the very mean-spirited guy who learns to love that Zero Mostel played. I really enjoyed his performance. I found him a guiding witty humorous force amongst all the farce. If he had been similarly showy and more OTT it would have been collectively too much of the same type of humour.
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