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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 30, 2024 16:19:29 GMT
There are all sorts of kindness. I don’t really understand why its ok to pile on to a performer who might read the board, than call out each other when we disagree? Is one thing better/worse than the other? Bit of a double standard really 🤔 I'm all for discussion and disagreement - it's the way you say/do it. Some of the comments on this thread are absolutely vile and I can imagine would never be said to the person in question if they were stood in front of them. The rules are that criticism of the work/performance is allowed, but personal stuff like appearance, family, health etc is off limits. If we all stick with that we are fine. Members should please not try to make new rules up and shouldn’t try to “backseat moderate”. Anyone seeing a rule break should report it. Read rule 5. |
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Post by theatreismagic on May 30, 2024 16:27:17 GMT
I know they're releasing info at carefully staged intervals and this won't be possible yet but what would really help promote it is to give snippets of any dance routines. This could be the fun selling aspect of Calamity. The energy around this should actually be awesome and so much fun. There will be minimal dancing from Carrie, sadly - she doesn't dance. A shame as Doris Day's dancing in the film was exquisite and as you say, it's a fab selling point. That is a shame but there should be time to train for a simpler dance routine which would be cool. I imagine that other times they'll work around the fact Carrie can't dance by having Calamity drinking at the bar or offstage gaps such as before they get to the ball etc. It's a shame the character of Calamity won't get the full sparky 'ooomph' she deserves. However when people see glimpses of the dances and costumes, I really think they'll just love the energy and vitality Calamity Jane as a musical overall can have. |
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Post by erik24601 on May 30, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
I'm all for discussion and disagreement - it's the way you say/do it. Some of the comments on this thread are absolutely vile and I can imagine would never be said to the person in question if they were stood in front of them. The rules are that criticism of the work/performance is allowed, but personal stuff like appearance, family, health etc is off limits. If we all stick with that we are fine. Members should please not try to make new rules up and shouldn’t try to “backseat moderate”. Anyone seeing a rule break should report it. Read rule 5.I wasn't trying to backseat moderate, or make new rules up. It's general kindness and the WAY that things are said. Have a read back through some of the comments and put yourself in Carrie's position. |
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Post by theatreismagic on May 30, 2024 16:39:53 GMT
The 'be kind' mantra works both ways. Carrie has a problematic past when it comes to how she treats people, especially online. So many influencers and celebs hide behind 'be kind' to excuse their own poor behaviour. People have every right to discuss people being cast, especially when they keep being cast in things are aren't up to the role. People here have paid and seen Carrie in various things over the years and all have common issues with the performance. People are frustrated. It's the same as James Cordon in films. She is a bit of a James Cordon of musicals. Also, producers and casting agents like to use social media to aid the casting process. So it's only fair people share their negative as well as positive views, and the reasons why. No one is being tagged into this and forced to read. And the marketing so far is very off point. There's no getting away from it. Completely agree with you. The promotion thus far has been awful and highlights Carrie's poor acting ability to the point it's putting people off/confusing and it's also unlikely the character of Calamity will be getting big dance routines which is a real shame. However, there's time to try and correct and improve on what's lacking before the show begins. If not, it's unfair on the rest of the cast who work hard, are trained and ready to shine. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 30, 2024 16:53:15 GMT
The rules are that criticism of the work/performance is allowed, but personal stuff like appearance, family, health etc is off limits. If we all stick with that we are fine. Members should please not try to make new rules up and shouldn’t try to “backseat moderate”. Anyone seeing a rule break should report it. Read rule 5.I wasn't trying to backseat moderate, or make new rules up. It's general kindness and the WAY that things are said. Have a read back through some of the comments and put yourself in Carrie's position. I can’t put myself in Carrie’s position because I’m not a performer putting my work out into the world with the full understanding that some people will like it and some won’t. We can’t have a theatre discussion forum that doesn’t allow performers to be criticised, that wouldn’t work. If you want to raise the subject of criticism in the Feedback section feel free, but as far as this thread is concerned please move on. |
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Post by BVM on May 30, 2024 17:15:21 GMT
Say what you like about CHF (and as I said earlier I am indifferent) - but we are on to page 4.
This kind of tour would usually have one person announcing it, a couple of replies, and that would be that. Doubt would make it past page 1 until it opened!
Not drawing any conclusions here, merely observing.....
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 30, 2024 18:25:06 GMT
Posts about the activities of Carrie’s family members have been removed. I repeat READ RULE 5
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Post by anthony40 on May 30, 2024 20:00:43 GMT
You know it's interesting, this is another older musical that is being revived.
Last week they had Adrian Dunbar on The One Show promoting Kiss Me Kate and they were saying how there is trend of reviving older musicals- An American In Paris, Anything Goes, as examples that are proving to be very popular and filling theatres up and down the country.
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Post by FairyGodmother on May 30, 2024 20:28:28 GMT
I think partly because not everybody wants to see the "modern issues" musicals with a couple of keyboards and a guitar. They have their place, but there have been a lot recently!
A musical with a good storyline and subplots, multiple characters, nice costumes, tunes you can hum and something that you could reasonably call an orchestra is a nice change.
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 30, 2024 20:29:05 GMT
Say what you like about CHF (and as I said earlier I am indifferent) - but we are on to page 4. This kind of tour would usually have one person announcing it, a couple of replies, and that would be that. Doubt would make it past page 1 until it opened! Not drawing any conclusions here, merely observing..... But has anyone booked tickets?! 🤣 |
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Post by iwanttix on May 30, 2024 20:30:05 GMT
It's a shame, I'd probably go see this at my local but I won't go see it with Carrie. I've seen her in other things, and she's been fine, however I find her deeply unlikeable as a person. If I can nail down when an understudy is on then I might get a ticket.
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 30, 2024 20:32:42 GMT
You know it's interesting, this is another older musical that is being revived. Last week they had Adrian Dunbar on The One Show promoting Kiss Me Kate and they were saying how there is trend of reviving older musicals- An American In Paris, Anything Goes, as examples that are proving to be very popular and filling theatres up and down the country. Interesting as I'd say evidence points to the oppoosite as anything goes tour really struggled when not in London, 42nd street tour ended early and an American in Paris was London only (and quite a while ago and struggled from memory). Crazy for you struggled in london. My fair lady I think struggled a bit. King and I did well though. I think they're getting harder sells as the generations that really know them are dying out so the built in audience is less. The 'modern' classics like phantom/les mis/wicked are the guaranteed sellers now. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 20:37:52 GMT
Say what you like about CHF (and as I said earlier I am indifferent) - but we are on to page 4. This kind of tour would usually have one person announcing it, a couple of replies, and that would be that. Doubt would make it past page 1 until it opened! Not drawing any conclusions here, merely observing..... But has anyone booked tickets?! 🤣 I was tempted as worked on my school production of Calamity Jane, so wanted to see it live as never had the opportunity. Was massively put off by CHF as really not a fan, then thought I may give it a go and saw the ticket prices and thought, definitely not paying that much, so no 🤣 |
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Post by lolalou on May 30, 2024 21:18:53 GMT
But has anyone booked tickets?! 🤣 I was tempted as worked on my school production of Calamity Jane, so wanted to see it live as never had the opportunity. Was massively put off by CHF as really not a fan, then thought I may give it a go and saw the ticket prices and thought, definitely not paying that much, so no 🤣 Wow. £115 PLUS booking fee of £3.95 for a top price seat is delusional. Also side note: why are Manchester calling the stalls Orchestra seats? We’re not in America dears. Mancs not Yanks. |
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Post by ladidah on May 31, 2024 8:27:23 GMT
May wait and see who the understudy is, surprised the tickets are so expensive.
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Post by fiyero on May 31, 2024 8:54:40 GMT
It's a shame, I'd probably go see this at my local but I won't go see it with Carrie. I've seen her in other things, and she's been fine, however I find her deeply unlikeable as a person. If I can nail down when an understudy is on then I might get a ticket. Carrie isn't doing the Saturday in Woking by the look of it. My friend messaged me desperate to go so the marketing is obviously working, I've booked bottom price on a Thursday evening so not too much profit from me! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2024 10:04:08 GMT
Gallery not on sale for the Manchester run (as things stand).
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Post by theatreismagic on May 31, 2024 10:07:05 GMT
The ticket prices are outrageous considering the audience will get a watered down Calamity who can't dance and is bad at acting. Also Carrie's voice, especially when compared to her peers, is genuinely mediocre. She's not able to put emotion in her voice or show any softness - she just belts and it sounds like shouting.
I still think it will sell out but the cheek of those prices. If people deliberately buy tickets for when the understudy is on, does that mean they'll also get a watered down Calamity in terms of dancing? I think the quality of singing will be much better but I don't think they could put on two versions of the show where the understudy can show off their skills at dancing. That wouldn't be fair on ticket holders for the other shows.
It's a shame as it means the understudy is being restricted.
Also, people will be paying to sit through Carrie's American accent. I hadn't thought of that. The ticket prices are definitely outrageous!
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Post by Seriously on May 31, 2024 10:20:51 GMT
Calamitous casting.
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Post by BVM on May 31, 2024 10:23:36 GMT
I don't understand the outrage re the prices!
They are normal prices.
The vast majority for Stalls and Circle in Manchester are £64, £54 and £45 off peak - with very acceptable seats at the 45 mark. 35/28/20 for the worse view seats.
Mean/median/mode looks like 45. Sorry but if you think that's unreasonable try looking at Broadway, Germany or Austria.
Like, it does cost them to make theatre!
I know theatre prices are very emotive, I really do; but we really really do need to accurately appraise them to have a meaningful conversation about them. Boring though that might sound in a world where social media is firing us all up to be constantly outraged.
(And even if it is overpriced and nobody buys tickets, the prices will come down. As for all their flaws, credit where it's due, ATG are very good at that!)
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Post by theatreismagic on May 31, 2024 10:48:44 GMT
I don't understand the outrage re the prices! They are normal prices. The vast majority for Stalls and Circle in Manchester are £64, £54 and £45 off peak - with very acceptable seats at the 45 mark. 35/28/20 for the worse view seats. Mean/median/mode looks like 45. Sorry but if you think that's unreasonable try looking at Broadway, Germany or Austria. Like, it does cost them to make theatre! I know theatre prices are very emotive, I really do; but we really really do need to accurately appraise them to have a meaningful conversation about them. Boring though that might sound in a world where social media is firing us all up to be constantly outraged. (And even if it is overpriced and nobody buys tickets, the prices will come down. As for all their flaws, credit where it's due, ATG are very good at that!) You're right. I think I just looked at it from the perspective of the quality of the lead vs ticket price. In that context, I do think the ticket price is awful vs what people will actually get for their money. However that's not the bigger picture as you point out, although with a Broadway price I would expect a Broadway standard of production and thus far the promotion makes the show look a bit tacky. That's good that ATG are switched on at reducing prices if it doesn't sell well. I'm a little curious to understand the behind the scenes info around how much a show really costs vs initial price, then how much they can reduce it for before it starts to lose money and then when it's best to just cut the losses and close it rather than give tickets away to fill seats. Just to be clear - I'm not remotely hoping that will happen to Calamity as there's a whole cast and crew etc that need to be paid, it's just made me curious about the business side of theatre. I think seeing the ticket prices when they've only launched Carrie's casting and expecting people to purchase a ticket on that alone to be shouted at and have Calamity parked at the bar felt like a disconnect. However, there's a cost of living crisis for theatre too. |
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Post by lolalou on May 31, 2024 11:37:53 GMT
I don't understand the outrage re the prices! They are normal prices. The vast majority for Stalls and Circle in Manchester are £64, £54 and £45 off peak - with very acceptable seats at the 45 mark. 35/28/20 for the worse view seats. Mean/median/mode looks like 45. Sorry but if you think that's unreasonable try looking at Broadway, Germany or Austria. Like, it does cost them to make theatre! I know theatre prices are very emotive, I really do; but we really really do need to accurately appraise them to have a meaningful conversation about them. Boring though that might sound in a world where social media is firing us all up to be constantly outraged. (And even if it is overpriced and nobody buys tickets, the prices will come down. As for all their flaws, credit where it's due, ATG are very good at that!) I think £115 for a top price seat in a regional theatre is outrageous. When you compare what this tour will inevitably look like compared to something big in the West End. It’s extremely optimistic too. I think producers saw Carrie’s fan base on paper and saw £££. Producers see number of followers. They haven’t twigged (in this case) that followers don’t always equal engagement. Some venues have already gone on sale with only a handful sold. Her own recent tour was half sold and heavily papered with £5 bargains on seat filling sites. I’m not really sure what they are expecting. |
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Post by BVM on May 31, 2024 11:45:02 GMT
I don't understand the outrage re the prices! They are normal prices. The vast majority for Stalls and Circle in Manchester are £64, £54 and £45 off peak - with very acceptable seats at the 45 mark. 35/28/20 for the worse view seats. Mean/median/mode looks like 45. Sorry but if you think that's unreasonable try looking at Broadway, Germany or Austria. Like, it does cost them to make theatre! I know theatre prices are very emotive, I really do; but we really really do need to accurately appraise them to have a meaningful conversation about them. Boring though that might sound in a world where social media is firing us all up to be constantly outraged. (And even if it is overpriced and nobody buys tickets, the prices will come down. As for all their flaws, credit where it's due, ATG are very good at that!) I think £115 for a top price seat in a regional theatre is outrageous. When you compare what this tour will inevitably look like compared to something big in the West End. It’s extremely optimistic too. I think producers saw Carrie’s fan base on paper and saw £££. Producers see number of followers. They haven’t twigged (in this case) that followers don’t always equal engagement. Some venues have already gone on sale with only a handful sold. Her own recent tour was half sold and heavily papered with £5 bargains on seat filling sites. I’m not really sure what they are expecting. There's 8 of them. On peak date only. 0.4% of the auditorium. And they are packages. They exist for the very small number of people who think that is worth it. In the wider scheme of things, it truly is not outrageous. It's producers catering for different types of buyers. The main body of seats is as I described above. People could consider paying 45 quid for a decent seat and not being outraged! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2024 11:45:42 GMT
Leaving aside VIP packages the top prices I can see for Saturday perfs are
Manchester £74.50
Brighton £69.50
Glasgow £74.50
Which venue is charging £115?
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 31, 2024 11:54:37 GMT
Even £75 seems high for this. It's tiny.
This is the same production. It's going to drown on some of these stages
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