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Post by ceebee on Jan 24, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
As a longstanding audience member of the Old Vic, several times now I have booked early with confidence to support the theatre itself only to find that they have subsequently released what I perceive to be better seats and rows at the same price (or lower)... Is this the caveat emptor of 'going early' or do people think that loyalty should mean something for regular patrons who spend hundreds-and-thousands with particular theatres / theatre companies? Is it acceptable to book and then have the lottery of switching seats or should theatres offer members the right to change (with prior notice) before tickets are made available on general release?
Perhaps I am being old-fashioned, but I would hope that customer loyalty and the willingess to part with cash up front would result in a degree of loyalty/retention, yet theatres like the Old Vic habitually release tickets for sale to members under the pretence of being "member only" or advanced booking, holding back better rows and seats that are subsequently released to Joe Public at a later date?
Should we just vote with our feet and abandon membership/loyalty schemes, or am I being too sensitive?
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Post by theatrefan62 on Jan 24, 2024 22:17:39 GMT
I would say in general loyalty doesn't count for anything with companies/organisations these days. Very few reward loyalty in any meaningful way.
But in fairness to the old vic they do have their loyalty points scheme which is a bit of a rarity
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Post by marob on Jan 25, 2024 0:32:42 GMT
I was a member of some theatres I used to go to regularly in Liverpool and Manchester, the main draws being exclusive updates on season announcements and early booking. It was something I’d look forward to, especially if it meant taking advantage of any multibuy or season ticket offers.
But you’d also get newsletters about the charity/community element, the odd building tour or chance to sit in on rehearsals, which was always nice. It does feel like you’re giving back in some small way to a place that brings you joy.
Then the coronavirus came along.
A local theatre, which I’m also a member of, managed to send an email for every show booked. You clicked a link, it opened a webpage asking if you wanted to donate, receive credit, or have a refund. Nice and easy.
All three organisations used the same booking system. Took months to get my money back from the other two though, with a different excuse given every time for the lack of refunds. Nearly four years on (!) and tbh I’m still a tiny bit resentful about it.
I think I've visited them a combined total of four times since then. In the past I’d have been maybe 2-3 times a month. Cancelled both memberships.
So I get where you’re coming from. You do feel taken for granted, especially if you make the mistake of buying into the ‘valued customer’ schtick (like I did.) I am happy to say I’m still a member of the local theatre though.
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Post by Jon on Jan 25, 2024 1:36:35 GMT
I've only bought memberships on and off for hot tickets and TBH the National and others aren't there to shower you with appreciation, they want memberships because it adds to their coffers.
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Post by showgirl on Jan 25, 2024 4:39:47 GMT
I gave up my NT memberships (had upgraded at one point because they kept introducing new levels so the original £15 basic version was no longer much use) when I learned that they still held back seats for public booking day. My assumption, and I think that of most members of the public, was that those with paid memberships would have access to all available seats on the day booking went live for their particular membership level - even though perversely, that would mean those able to pay for the most expensive membership would then have first access to the cheapest seats. But no: it turns out that without mentioning this, the NT holds back some seats for public booking, in which case, I think they are not being open and honest - and that it's not worth paying for earlier access to a reduced number of seats.
When the Membership department admitted this in an email to me, their argument was that as a publicly-funded organisation, they had a duty to provide access to all, including by offering affordable seats. Absolutely fine - but be upfront about this with your paying members, so they can make an informed decision about whether to fork out.
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Post by ceebee on Jan 25, 2024 5:19:17 GMT
I gave up my NT memberships (had upgraded at one point because they kept introducing new levels so the original £15 basic version was no longer much use) when I learned that they still held back seats for public booking day. My assumption, and I think that of most members of the public, was that those with paid memberships would have access to all available seats on the day booking went live for their particular membership level - even though perversely, that would mean those able to pay for the most expensive membership would then have first access to the cheapest seats. But no: it turns out that without mentioning this, the NT holds back some seats for public booking, in which case, I think they are not being open and honest - and that it's not worth paying for earlier access to a reduced number of seats. When the Membership department admitted this in an email to me, their argument was that as a publicly-funded organisation, they had a duty to provide access to all, including by offering affordable seats. Absolutely fine - but be upfront about this with your paying members, so they can make an informed decision about whether to fork out. This is exactly my problem with the Old Vic (and the fact that it tries way too hard to be worthy). I found recently that early access to booking for "A Christmas Carol" meant bog all because several groups of seats were off sale. Similarly with "Just For One Day" where they've been drip feeding row availability. The message is loud and clear. Membership counts for nothing and, in the case of the Old Vic, there seems to be a distinct sense of a deliberately egalitarian access strategy where the 'best' seats are deliberately held back for general access. This is fine, but they should stop pretending that membership offers any real advantage.
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Post by Jan on Jan 25, 2024 7:00:03 GMT
I've only bought memberships on and off for hot tickets and TBH the National and others aren't there to shower you with appreciation, they want memberships because it adds to their coffers. Of course, and that’s why it should be purely transactional with those theatres, you pay for membership and they give you early access to the best seats without holding them back for non-members. I’ve long suspected the Almeida of offloading poor seats on the membership too.
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Post by zahidf on Jan 25, 2024 8:23:41 GMT
Its purely transactional for me these days
Of all the memberships, i like the barbican one. 20% off tickets if bought on date of sale ( sometimes after if available), all the seats being available, and money off their food and occasionally bar.
Non-theatre, but the BFI membership is good value. 2 free tickets, 10% off food/drink/shop, money off seats and all tickets available to membership ( stuff sells out before public sale)
In terms of early access, ive stopped the NT membership for the reasons above. As a Mastercard holder, you get early access anyway
I occasionally become an almeida member because its a lot easier to get the pillar seats for bigger shows. I haven't been a donmar member for a while but given the issues i had with Macbeth, ill bear it in mind for a hot play
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Post by Dave B on Jan 25, 2024 8:48:44 GMT
In terms of early access, ive stopped the NT membership for the reasons above. As a Mastercard holder, you get early access anyway You mean Amex I assume, or have I missed a NT/Mastercard link somewhere?
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Post by zahidf on Jan 25, 2024 10:10:53 GMT
In terms of early access, ive stopped the NT membership for the reasons above. As a Mastercard holder, you get early access anyway You mean Amex I assume, or have I missed a NT/Mastercard link somewhere? Sorry, Amex i meant
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Post by toomasj on Jan 25, 2024 10:19:44 GMT
Donmar is the only one I bother with now, and even that has eroded in value over the years.
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Post by lynette on Jan 25, 2024 23:53:17 GMT
Obvs I can’t prove anything but I wondered in the past about the Donmar membership. I used to get terrible seats despite membership above the basic level. Once at the box office I was somewhat embarrassed asking for tix which were hard to get. The guy there put me on a waiting list. I went away wondering why I was loughing out so much to be talked down to ( I can be very sensitive 🤪) but then someone in the development had seen my name and called me - confusing. Perhaps it was the record keeping or just this one box office clerk. It isn’t important in the great scheme of things. We are all of course privileged to be able to go to the theatre here in London, I do really feel that. The NT is good about finding you tix and priority booking. The RSC is very good. The little places like Jeremy St and the Park always nice. So I would choose a theatre you really like and give it some dosh, let them know you support them and hope for the best.
Just on a poorly selfish note, I’ve never given extra to the Old Vic because it is so big a theatre it is usually not a problem getting the tix you want.
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Post by Jan on Jan 26, 2024 7:51:36 GMT
Obvs I can’t prove anything but I wondered in the past about the Donmar membership. I used to get terrible seats despite membership above the basic level. Once at the box office I was somewhat embarrassed asking for tix which were hard to get. The guy there put me on a waiting list. I went away wondering why I was loughing out so much to be talked down to ( I can be very sensitive 🤪) but then someone in the development had seen my name and called me - confusing. Perhaps it was the record keeping or just this one box office clerk. It isn’t important in the great scheme of things. We are all of course privileged to be able to go to the theatre here in London, I do really feel that. The NT is good about finding you tix and priority booking. The RSC is very good. The little places like Jeremy St and the Park always nice. So I would choose a theatre you really like and give it some dosh, let them know you support them and hope for the best. Just on a poorly selfish note, I’ve never given extra to the Old Vic because it is so big a theatre it is usually not a problem getting the tix you want. The issue at the Donmar used to be that they simply had so many advance ticket schemes and membership levels and rush ticket and day ticket options that each scheme didn't have all that many tickets allocated to it so I agree that you never got access to all the best seats irrespective of what scheme you were in. I always thought that wasn't quite as unethical as the Almeida situation where members got to book all those restricted view seats and then magically at some later date they'd "release" another bunch of better seats for general booking - I've booked front row seats there for popular plays on the day public booking opened. I recommend the Orange Tree membership scheme - you get a personally signed Xmas card from Tom Littler. Jermyn Street do that too.
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Post by Dave B on Jan 26, 2024 9:42:43 GMT
I recommend the Orange Tree membership scheme - you get a personally signed Xmas card from Tom Littler. Jermyn Street do that too. Oh! I thought they had done away with this. When we first joined, there was a lovely hand written card waiting on our seats at our next visit. When we renewed, there was nothing and certainly no card! Just the Bronze membership for us though. Otherwise, yes very much second the OT membership.
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Post by Jan on Jan 26, 2024 13:24:33 GMT
I recommend the Orange Tree membership scheme - you get a personally signed Xmas card from Tom Littler. Jermyn Street do that too. Oh! I thought they had done away with this. When we first joined, there was a lovely hand written card waiting on our seats at our next visit. When we renewed, there was nothing and certainly no card! Just the Bronze membership for us though. Otherwise, yes very much second the OT membership. It came through the post. Here you go, print it out, fill your name in, job done.
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Post by kate8 on Jan 26, 2024 16:14:55 GMT
I’ve got bronze OT membership, didn’t get a Christmas card, signed or not, but a non-member friend booked for the first time there recently and got a nice welcome note on her seat.
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Post by foxa on Jan 26, 2024 16:40:18 GMT
Its purely transactional for me these days Of all the memberships, i like the barbican one. 20% off tickets if bought on date of sale ( sometimes after if available), all the seats being available, and money off their food and occasionally bar. Non-theatre, but the BFI membership is good value. 2 free tickets, 10% off food/drink/shop, money off seats and all tickets available to membership ( stuff sells out before public sale) In terms of early access, ive stopped the NT membership for the reasons above. As a Mastercard holder, you get early access anyway I occasionally become an almeida member because its a lot easier to get the pillar seats for bigger shows. I haven't been a donmar member for a while but given the issues i had with Macbeth, ill bear it in mind for a hot play Agree about BFI - even though I don't go that often the 2 free tix, plus the early access to the London Film Festival make it worth it. Also, don't know if they are still doing it, but there was a good discount on the BFI player. The Almeida membership is the one I keep most active - I also lke to get the cheap pillar seats - and it meant I didn't have a problem getting the tickets I wanted for very populaar shows like Streetcar.
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