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Post by Ranger on Jan 3, 2024 1:39:25 GMT
Tomorrow America will be 247 years, 6 months old. In 2.5 years, America is 250. We’re 99 % of the way there.
According to Donald Trump, if he’s elected president, there’s going to be a year-long birthday party in the run up to July 4, 2026
According to an article in the New York times, the congressional committee organizing the America 250 celebrations “is wrestling with how to commemorate a nation’s complex history at a time when Americans are deeply divided.”
There’s over 150,000 Americans living in the United Kingdom. Do you think theatre directors are planning for this? What American plays do you think should be staged?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 3, 2024 2:07:27 GMT
I am not sure this is any more worthy than many anniversaries that have not been celebrated by UK theatres.
There is no shortage of US created shows on UK stages. They are not under represented.
Sure, there are scripts I would like to see (with the right casts/directors) but not at the expense of marking the contribution to world theatre by many great writers who struggle to get produced for UK audiences.
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Post by Ranger on Jan 3, 2024 10:26:21 GMT
I see this as a struggle between live art (theatre) vs electronic (television/radio).
In the next two years, there’s going to be a lot of media coming from America about American history, with an English angle to it, since English settlers were so important to the founding of America.
The theatre can ignore this event. That may be the right thing to do. Or it can be political and engage with it. I think people will turn to theatre to engage with it, as well as write on the internet of course.
An interesting play that might be a popular revival is David Haig’s Pressure.
World War 1 era will also be apt for the moment. English playwright Nick Drear wrote a play that I haven’t seen but I’m familiar with the story—about the relationship between Edward Thomas and Robert Frost, who lived in London as the war broke out. Frost returned to America, Thomas went to war and died. Robert Frost’s poem “The Road Not Taken” is thought to have influenced Thomas’ decision to go to war.
There was an exhibition at the Tate recently about William Blake, author of England’s unofficial national anthem (“And did those feet in ancient time/Walk on England’s mountains green”). Several of his poems/paintings are very interesting for how an English person thought of America around the time of its founding. See “America, a Prophecy." Any historical play dealing with the Revolutionary War, 1812 or Civil War (England was a major influence on the outcome of the Civil War) would likely be very popular and give people something meaningful to talk about, at least to dust off the school history lessons.
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Post by steve10086 on Jan 3, 2024 12:28:59 GMT
250 years? I’ll be more interested when it’s properly established itself.
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Post by theatresellers on Jan 4, 2024 0:30:50 GMT
250 years? I’ll be more interested when it’s properly established itself. Do you mean you’ll be more interested when it (i.e America ) has established itself as a nation? 250 years isn’t long enough? Or do you mean you’ll be more interested when it (the 250th anniversary) has properly established itself? Is it still too far away for you to care? Piers Morgan was recently talking about America 250 years ago when Prince William visited New York. It made no sense to me. I couldn’t tell if it had something to do with the “anniversary” or it was just media click bait. He might be on the payroll of the http:// america250.org organizers.
Piers Morgan encouraging Americans to reverse 250 year old bad decision.
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Post by steve10086 on Jan 4, 2024 7:53:24 GMT
250 years? I’ll be more interested when it’s properly established itself. Do you mean you’ll be more interested when it (i.e America ) has established itself as a nation? 250 years isn’t long enough? Yeah, give it a bit more time to bed itself in.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 4, 2024 13:45:54 GMT
British irony doesn't always come across well online.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 4, 2024 14:34:53 GMT
One question that came to mind is what, if anything, defines an American piece of theatre other than the nationality of the writer(s)?
Given how much European traditions influenced the development of American theatre over many decades, I am intrigued as to where American theatre became something uniquely American.
It is probably easy to trace this in musical theatre where the European operetta traditions were adapted and transformed through the late 19th Century into the early 20th Century and the Great American Musical was born.
There is no doubt that the second half of the 20th Century saw Europe becoming more influential again with the epic sung through shows/rock operas of the 70s and 80s.
But with straight theatre, my knowledge is not as complete as it should be in terms of the US repertoire. But is there a truly American play tradition? Something that could not have been created by a non US writer? If so, what defines it?
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Post by theatreliker on Jan 4, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
I'd love to see an Arthur Miller play done over here... 😃
Perhaps more August Wilson revivals. Indhu Rubasingham has directly a lot of American plays especially new writing. Perhaps one will be included in her first NT season.
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Post by theatresellers on Jan 4, 2024 20:44:57 GMT
British irony doesn't always come across well online. I think you’re right @talkpaul. I didn’t think steve10086 was being ironic. According to Wikipedia ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Day) England doesn’t have an official national day. Do English people find it funny that Americans get so patriotic about July 4th?
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Post by steve10086 on Jan 4, 2024 20:54:07 GMT
British irony doesn't always come across well online. I think you’re right @talkpaul. I didn’t think steve10086 was being ironic. According to Wikipedia ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Day) England doesn’t have an official national day. Do English people find it funny that Americans get so patriotic about July 4th? Yeah, sorry, was just joking. But seriously, I do find 250 years a little irrelevant. Countries with real history are a lot more interesting. And yes, all the July 4 stuff is a bit ridiculous.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 5, 2024 7:07:31 GMT
British irony doesn't always come across well online. I think you’re right @talkpaul. I didn’t think steve10086 was being ironic. According to Wikipedia ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Day) England doesn’t have an official national day. Do English people find it funny that Americans get so patriotic about July 4th? I dont find it funny but i do find it funny that some Brits go crazy for the royal family. At least the 4th July is deemed for everybody and not just some privileged folk in royal palaces.
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Post by shownut on Jan 5, 2024 7:43:40 GMT
Don't most countries celebrate something akin to 4th of July? France has Bastille Day, Israel has an Independence Day....not sure why commemorating an event in a means that brings people together to celebrate/unite is "silly".
And as for "real history", were you joking?
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Post by danb on Jan 5, 2024 8:49:19 GMT
Don't most countries celebrate something akin to 4th of July? France has Bastille Day, Israel has an Independence Day....not sure why commemorating an event in a means that brings people together to celebrate/unite is "silly". And as for "real history", were you joking? I’m not sure joking is the word, just more irony. The USA has crammed all sorts of disturbing events into its short life, not least only starting the clock once it had been colonised and official governance in place. I’m sure that it is beyond offensive to many American citizens.
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Post by viserys on Jan 5, 2024 8:54:50 GMT
But with straight theatre, my knowledge is not as complete as it should be in terms of the US repertoire. But is there a truly American play tradition? Something that could not have been created by a non US writer? If so, what defines it? I'm by no means an expert on "straight theatre" but one thing I've noticed is that American theatre is big on "family dramas" that usually involves adult children returning to some family house in a rural place and over the course of the evening everyone clashes as deep dark family secrets are exposed. Older stuff like "Cat on a hot tin roof" and "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf" through to "August: Osage County" and now "Fat Ham" or "Appropriate" (which I had been interested in because I love Sarah Paulson, but tuned out when I realized it was one such family drama). I find them indefinitely tedious and predictable. As for having a National Day to celebrate itself: Germany wouldn't dare. We have the very randomly chosen 3 October as a "Day of German Reunification" because 11 November (when the Berlin Wall fell and the border opened, which is what most people remember) is too loaded a date here. And it's usually just politicians pontificating and nobody else giving a hoot. So as someone from a country that still loves to beat itself up rather than feel a hint of pride about the positive stuff achieved now and then across the centuries, I envy countries like the US for their 4th July celebrations.
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Post by shownut on Jan 5, 2024 9:28:21 GMT
Don't most countries celebrate something akin to 4th of July? France has Bastille Day, Israel has an Independence Day....not sure why commemorating an event in a means that brings people together to celebrate/unite is "silly". And as for "real history", were you joking? I’m not sure joking is the word, just more irony. The USA has crammed all sorts of disturbing events into its short life, not least only starting the clock once it had been colonised and official governance in place. I’m sure that it is beyond offensive to many American citizens. What country hasn't had disturbing events in it's early history? And while starting the clock in 1776 might be offensive to some people (and rightfully so), for others it marks the start of Independence and freedom from tyrannical rule (and lets pray in the next election it doesn't revert back to self-imposed tyranny). America is much more interesting and significant than you are giving it credit for. History aside, are you forgetting America's vast cultural contributions - starting with the creation of Hollywood/motion pictures and a little billion-dollar industry known as Broadway? Do you really think theatre as we know it, particularly musical theatre, would be anything worth discussing for more than 5 minutes if it weren't for American writers/composers?
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Post by danb on Jan 5, 2024 9:34:17 GMT
I wouldn’t dispute that at all. Its’ place as a global superpower after only 250 years lays testament to that.
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Post by aspieandy on Jan 5, 2024 9:54:04 GMT
When I was at school America was two continents, and a bit older.
How many countries gained independence from Britain - 70-ish, maybe?
Glad to wish them all well, especially on their important national day.
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Post by Ranger on Jan 5, 2024 12:30:20 GMT
But is there a truly American play tradition? Something that could not have been created by a non US writer? If so, what defines it?
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Post by Ranger on Jan 5, 2024 12:36:54 GMT
I'd love to see an Arthur Miller play done over here... 😃 Perhaps more August Wilson revivals. Indhu Rubasingham has directly a lot of American plays especially new writing. Perhaps one will be included in her first NT season. I've familiar with one August Wilson play ("Joe Turner's Come and Gone"), which I only read, and I absolutely loved it. I hope to read and see the whole cycle. It probably sounds like a knock to categorize his play(s) as "historical drama." I find the idea behind them a very interesting exploration of history. Did you have a favorite among them?
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Post by danb on Jan 5, 2024 14:25:41 GMT
I’d love to see a Mamet season somewhere.
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Post by theatresellers on Jan 5, 2024 17:43:19 GMT
Yeah, sorry, was just joking. But seriously, I do find 250 years a little irrelevant. Countries with real history are a lot more interesting. And yes, all the July 4 stuff is a bit ridiculous. To give you an idea of how important it will be to Americans. From Donald Trumps 2017 inauguration speech: “In 9 years, the United States will celebrate the 250th anniversary of our founding—250 years since the day we declared our Independence. It will be one of the great milestones in the history of the world. But what will America look like as we reach our 250th year? What kind of country will we leave for our children?” amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/28/full-transcript-donald-trump-presidential-address-congress
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Post by theatresellers on Jan 10, 2024 23:34:40 GMT
Here in America by David Edgar, about Arthur Miller during the McCarthy era and premiering at the Orange Tree in October of this year, should strike a chord with audiences thinking about American history in the next two years. orangetreetheatre.co.uk/whats-on/here-in-america/
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Post by Ranger on Apr 30, 2024 21:45:55 GMT
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