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Post by viserys on May 12, 2024 10:37:09 GMT
Why do we even have to have a jury vote? Back in the day, before the ability to have public voting yes, of course. But now? Get rid! When it was all public vote, there was LOTS of complaining about neighbouring countries helping each other with points, no matter how bad the songs were. So they brought back the jury vote to count! I like crowblack 's theory though that it was another conscious rigging of the jury vote to steer it towards neutral, calm and rich Switzerland (last year's vote was rigged in favour of Sweden, that's a hill I will die on) |
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 12, 2024 10:46:14 GMT
Why do we even have to have a jury vote? Back in the day, before the ability to have public voting yes, of course. But now? Get rid! When it was all public vote, there was LOTS of complaining about neighbouring countries helping each other with points, no matter how bad the songs were. So they brought back the jury vote to count! I like crowblack 's theory though that it was another conscious rigging of the jury vote to steer it towards neutral, calm and rich Switzerland (last year's vote was rigged in favour of Sweden, that's a hill I will die on) And what a waste that was. All that hype and Sweden really didn't do much with it |
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Post by jek on May 12, 2024 10:50:26 GMT
I think Spain was my favourite. I loved the fact that it felt like something that I would have sung along to at the working men's clubs we used to frequent when I was growing up (summer weekends on the Isle of Sheppey in the 1970s were quite wild I can tell you!) I was slightly thrown by the fact that the singer reminded me (facially) of Gloria Hunniford. And I did wince every time I saw the dancer do the splits (felt one slip away from A&E). I was really surprised that it didn't do better.
I also enjoyed Estonia.
Impressed by the balance skills of the winner. I'm sure that Switzerland will be a nice - if expensive - trip for those who attend next year.
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Post by peggysue on May 12, 2024 17:09:57 GMT
I thought most of the songs were pretty poor this year but I really liked France who did especially well when he sang acappella - no fancy staging just singing. As someone mentioned earlier there were too many flashing lights to enjoy the songs properly. Hope it’s toned down a bit for next year but very much doubt it. The two presenters did an excellent job. No need for more as in previous years. Graham Norton did an excellent job as usual
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Post by max on May 12, 2024 17:29:39 GMT
I cheered and applauded when Olly Alexander got nil points from the public vote. I’m sure he’ll try to bravado his way out of it but Europe has spoken Olly, nobody likes you. People defending Olly with 'It's camper than Christmas, that's what Eurovision is about.'. It wasn't camp though, was it. It was filthy dancing in a public toilet. Spain's dancers - that was camp. He most likely didn't get zero points, by the way - the way I understand it you need to get a specific number of votes to fall within the points brackets. So he probably got some, but not enough.This is right. There are ten available marks awarded by each Public Voting Nation: 12, 10, 8 - 1. So he wasn't in the Top 10 in any of the countries voting - which is pretty bad, and surprisingly consistent, but doesn't mean nobody voted for him. They only seem to publish the marks that place Top 10. Maybe he was 11th in some countries.... lol |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 12, 2024 17:40:50 GMT
Equally he could have been zero so the speculation is a bit pointless. In the context of success in this competition Europe didn’t like him.
Is it right that he “campaigned” to be the U.K. rep when we found ourselves in a fix without a song/performer?
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Post by n1david on May 12, 2024 17:50:13 GMT
They only seem to publish the marks that place Top 10. Maybe he was 11th in some countries.... lol Full results are made available and the highest place that the UK managed in the phone vote was 14th, in Ukraine and Ireland. We came in the bottom 5 of the phone vote in 20 countries out of 40. We were in the bottom 5 in 9 countries' jury votes. |
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Post by justfran on May 12, 2024 18:37:22 GMT
I thought the presenters did a really good job. Does anyone know why Mans Zelmerlow didn’t appear? I thought he might have been involved.
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Post by lemiz1862 on May 12, 2024 19:16:24 GMT
Has the EBU given any explanation at any point as to why it's ok to be political and ban Russia but not ok to ban Israel? In not doing the latter, they've made a rod for their own backs with all the contingent problems that have ensued. They have and google is your friend. Russia was banned from the EBU, not Eurovision specifically. Russian television news is a propaganda arm of the government and was thus banned from the EBU, meaning they could not compete in Eurovision. Israel is a (however fragile) democracy and KAN news is not government run nor related to the government, and has not run afoul of the EBU rules. There is therefore no reason to ban Israel from Eurovision. Hope that helps! |
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Post by max on May 12, 2024 19:29:22 GMT
They only seem to publish the marks that place Top 10. Maybe he was 11th in some countries.... lol Full results are made available and the highest place that the UK managed in the phone vote was 14th, in Ukraine and Ireland. We came in the bottom 5 of the phone vote in 20 countries out of 40. We were in the bottom 5 in 9 countries' jury votes. Thanks. That's pretty bad! |
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Post by sfsusan on May 12, 2024 20:22:40 GMT
I *literally* was that angry old woman yesterday afternoon in Woking Town Centre shouting at young lads, one of whom had his hand down his trousers and having a play with his knob Perhaps you should have asked him if he was having trouble finding such a tiny little thing... |
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Post by distantcousin on May 12, 2024 20:36:37 GMT
I fear his theming/choreography is going to be a little too ‘much’ for the conservative leaning nations. Eurovision loves camp, but not necessarily ‘gay’. :-(
Absolutely. This is the difference.
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Post by mkb on May 12, 2024 20:59:49 GMT
I fear his theming/choreography is going to be a little too ‘much’ for the conservative leaning nations. Eurovision loves camp, but not necessarily ‘gay’. :-(
Absolutely. This is the difference.
The win went to someone of gender non-specificity and wearing a pink skirt. I don't think conservatism was an issue. |
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Post by amyja89 on May 12, 2024 21:45:00 GMT
Absolutely. This is the difference.
The win went to someone of gender non-specificity and wearing a pink skirt. I don't think conservatism was an issue. Nemo and their performance was the definition of 'user friendly' gender expression, very little, if anything, to do with actual sex or 'sexuality' at all. Polar opposite to what Olly did. I didn't particularly enjoy either song to be honest, but the difference in approach was clear to see. Switzerland's failure to dominate the tele vote as they did the jury vote certainly alludes to an issue with public opinion, albeit in a minuscule fashion compared to how the UK fared! |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2024 23:30:11 GMT
Whatever people think of Olly's antics Dizzy just wasn't a good enough song. Even with all the BBC hype the single has failed to crack the top 40.
Olly seems as if he wants to make everything about him.
The Eurovision has had diverse winners for many years so this year was nothing new.
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Post by takeabow on May 13, 2024 6:21:36 GMT
Whatever people think of Olly's antics Dizzy just wasn't a good enough song. Even with all the BBC hype the single has failed to crack the top 40. Olly seems as if he wants to make everything about him. The Eurovision has had diverse winners for many years so this year was nothing new. Neither did Space Man until the week after the Grand Final. Its highest charting was 78th until reaching second the following week. I mean, even the winner (The Code) reached just 22nd in the Swiss charts despite being one of the favourites for weeks. And for reference, Mae Muller’s song last year did crack the Top 40 and Singles Chart. She finished second from bottom. The song this year wasn’t good and Olly’s performance was way below average. Actually think 18th flattered him a little bit. But charts aren’t a good indicator of success. |
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Post by Rory on May 13, 2024 7:42:24 GMT
I like Olly but his song was a real dirge. I knew the minute I heard it that it wouldn't do particularly well, and then his staging was just too overt for a mainstream audience.
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Post by ladidah on May 13, 2024 8:25:28 GMT
I really like the song, but the staging was truly awful.
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Post by distantcousin on May 13, 2024 9:54:23 GMT
Absolutely. This is the difference.
The win went to someone of gender non-specificity and wearing a pink skirt. I don't think conservatism was an issue. but essentially sexless. |
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Post by BVM on May 13, 2024 10:29:59 GMT
So gonna go out on a limb here - I really liked Olly's song, I really liked the uber gay presentation and I really like his voice. Latter is unusual for me as I am obsessed with singers singing the right bloody notes and sometimes he doesn't. But his voice does have a really lovely quality to it and I like it's sound. As the UK frankly I never expect us to do well, as while the reasons remain unclear, the facts are that as a country, Sam Ryder aside, of late we don't. My guess as to why we got zero in the public vote: a) It was way too overtly sexually gay for the masses of conservative voters at home (the fans in the arena are such a minuscule percentage of the voting public) distantcousin is spot on; Switzerland was sexless b) The song, which is to my taste, is quite dated and sounds more similar to 90's/00's Eurovision pop than the kind of earnest well produced power Euro pop songs that don't massively move me but do really well these days c) The rest of Europe looks at the way our leaders talk about small boats, nationalism, the EU etc etc and thinks - I ain't voting for you. Certainly I have never been embarrassed to be British like I have in this reign of Tory rule. Key message though - these are GUESSES. Educated ones (I hope), but guesses. I don't think I've ever seen so many fixed opinions presented as fact as I have this year - when ultimately, nobody truly knows why we got a public zero. No idea why people are so welded to their views and can't say "well we don't really know, but I think it might be this....." Anyway, beyond that, thought was a fantastic show. Petra Meda is a Eurovision ICON and is naturally so genuinely warm, so talented and SO funny (in contrast for example to the increasingly phoney Waddingham) and the two of them did a fantastic job. Lynda Woodruff is hilarious. And the staging and production was sensational. Sweden really do put on an amazing show! I wish Croatia had won! MEOW CAT PLEASE MEOW BACK is a fantastic lyric and the song was a banger. And as a stereotypical gay I adore female vocalists who bring the camp and the serve so was a massive shame (though entirely predicted) to see Spain (that woman brought mother), Austria and Malta do so badly. Ah well, another year of Euro madness done. Look forward to Switzerland! |
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Post by jojo on May 13, 2024 10:37:48 GMT
The win went to someone of gender non-specificity and wearing a pink skirt. I don't think conservatism was an issue. Nemo and their performance was the definition of 'user friendly' gender expression, very little, if anything, to do with actual sex or 'sexuality' at all. Polar opposite to what Olly did. I didn't particularly enjoy either song to be honest, but the difference in approach was clear to see. Switzerland's failure to dominate the tele vote as they did the jury vote certainly alludes to an issue with public opinion, albeit in a minuscule fashion compared to how the UK fared! At risk of being controversial, gender identity should be incidental to sexuality. I'd also argue that there's more to sexuality than actual sex. If anything it was other gay men who were most annoyed by Olly's staging as it re-enforced a dated stereotype that a lot of gay men never identified with, and thought we'd moved beyond. Without tuning into the coverage from all broadcasters it's hard to tell how obvious it was to the wider public that Nemo identifies as non-binary. Graeme Norton used 'them' a lot, although I did notice at least one slip up to 'he', but given there was only one person on stage and the outfit, most people would have twigged it was a singular non-binary person, not a group. However, if viewers didn't notice Nemo was non-binary they'd see a man wearing pink, glitter and a sort of skirt. They did best with the jury votes, but were still popular with the public coming top 5. Considering Ukraine and Israel above them were picking up large volumes of sympathy votes that's puts them at the other end of the voting spectrum to Olly. There is a woeful article on BBC asking what we can do to win Eurovision, which reads as if it were written by Olly's agent. It talks about how Olly was a great catch for the British team, then about how clever the song is - too clever for the average audience. It dismissed any issues with performance by quoting random social media users who said 'great performance'. I thought Olly was wrong for Eurovision as soon as he was announced, but I do think he's a talented writer and producer, and it's a shame there wasn't someone at the BBC a bit more honest who could have directed the project better. The same song, but arranged for three+ vocalists (one of whom could have been Olly) with parts such as a canon to give a dizzying effect and the opportunity for harmonies etc. I'd include elements of a rotating circle/chain dance into the choreography, which IMO better reflects the musicality as well as the lyrics, and makes it more fun and flirty than sexual. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 10:44:45 GMT
Whatever people think of Olly's antics Dizzy just wasn't a good enough song. Even with all the BBC hype the single has failed to crack the top 40. Olly seems as if he wants to make everything about him. The Eurovision has had diverse winners for many years so this year was nothing new. Neither did Space Man until the week after the Grand Final. Its highest charting was 78th until reaching second the following week. I mean, even the winner (The Code) reached just 22nd in the Swiss charts despite being one of the favourites for weeks. And for reference, Mae Muller’s song last year did crack the Top 40 and Singles Chart. She finished second from bottom. The song this year wasn’t good and Olly’s performance was way below average. Actually think 18th flattered him a little bit. But charts aren’t a good indicator of success. UK Eurovision entries have had a very inconsistent charting pattern over the years. I'd say that Olly as a far more established and successful artist than Sam and Mae were when it was their year might have expected more chart success. He had been pretty much ascross all BBC platforms for the last few weeks. If any of this year's songs do chart this week it will be worth keeping a note on. |
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Post by shownut on May 13, 2024 10:45:41 GMT
Count me among those gay men who found the performance/staging of the song quite tired and stereotypical. Enough already with half naked dancers humping each other. It was tired over a decade ago and looked like a desperate way to package an already unremarkable song.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 10:55:05 GMT
I wasn't aware of how Memo identified before I saw the Swiss entry and it doesn't really concern me. When we see the contestants backstage during the voting process with their dancers/songwriters etc then the commentator would likely say they to describe the collective.
i don't think Nemo's sexuality/gender identity would have boosted his public vote but Olly with all the grinding might have impacted his score.
Olly has written some great songs in his career and made sense as an act to be chosen but the song just wasn't good enough IMO.
How about getting Hannah Waddingham to be our entry next year she seems to have the golden touch at the moment. Get her the right song and she could do pretty well!
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Post by distantcousin on May 13, 2024 11:21:39 GMT
There are rumours that this is not about Nemo at all, and the voting was manipulated to ensure a neutral country (in the current geopolitical climate) won.
make of that what you will!
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