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Post by Rory on Oct 21, 2024 22:38:10 GMT
It seems that everyone on the Broadway World message board has been desperate for this to flop from day 1. Such a weird thing when it was so much fun in London. I fear the odds are stacked against it though as it’s not selling well and that is one huge theatre to fill. It sounds like it could be Groundhog Day mark two, though hopefully not. It probably should have transferred to the West End first. Broadway is so ruthless.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Oct 22, 2024 10:08:15 GMT
Dare i say, the Tammy Faye thread on Reddit is worse than those on Broadway World. I have never seen so many people on reddit, who have 'apparently' attended an opening night of any show on Broadway and the large majority of people claimed they hated it.
A quarter of the people attended Sunset's opening performance and that was the show with all the hype behind it. So why didn't they all go to that. It's very weird. The cynic in me says it all feels a bit co-ordinated. How does a show that was hilarious and has some great tunes in it, suddenly become such a mess.
Also, why are so many saying it will close ASAP after 1 preview. People never have that type of reaction to any other show, not even it they canel it outright.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Oct 22, 2024 10:36:40 GMT
I forgot… BRING ME THE FACE OF TAMMY BAKKER has also been cut. I really liked that one. I liked the syncopated clapping. But it also gave a sense of the public turning against them and how that built up over the course of their downfall.
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Post by shownut on Oct 22, 2024 11:38:00 GMT
Dare i say, the Tammy Faye thread on Reddit is worse than those on Broadway World. I have never seen so many people on reddit, who have 'apparently' attended an opening night of any show on Broadway and the large majority of people claimed they hated it. A quarter of the people attended Sunset's opening performance and that was the show with all the hype behind it. So why didn't they all go to that. It's very weird. The cynic in me says it all feels a bit co-ordinated. How does a show that was hilarious and has some great tunes in it, suddenly become such a mess. Also, why are so many saying it will close ASAP after 1 preview. People never have that type of reaction to any other show, not even it they canel it outright. Agreed. They lack any sense of tact and obviously have a very limited, if non-existent view of what a preview period is meant for.
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 22, 2024 12:03:06 GMT
Thing is, as good as Katie was in London (and my god she was good) this really did need a LOT of work doing to it I thought (with basically the entire second half needing restructuring and rewriting apart from If You Came To See Me Cry) and given the fact that Elton has been doing both this AND Devil Wears Prada at the same time, it sounds like he's spread what talent for songwriting he has left too thinly, and as a result both products have been short changed hugely...
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 22, 2024 15:14:08 GMT
I read a comment online from someone saying, "I saw a performance of Tammy Faye during a recent trip to NY and it was the worst thing I've ever seen". It strikes me as a bit strange to refer to a trip that must have ended the day before at the earliest as "a recent trip." Surely if you saw something the previous night, you say "I saw this last night" not "I saw this on a recent trip."
There are at least a few posters on the Broadway Reddit who are Andrew Rannells superfans, seemingly mainly young women still in the stage of life where fandom and having parasocial relationships with actors is all-encompassing, who have a grudge because they think the production treated their precious baby poorly.
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Post by shownut on Oct 22, 2024 17:25:42 GMT
I read a comment online from someone saying, "I saw a performance of Tammy Faye during a recent trip to NY and it was the worst thing I've ever seen". It strikes me as a bit strange to refer to a trip that must have ended the day before at the earliest as "a recent trip." Surely if you saw something the previous night, you say "I saw this last night" not "I saw this on a recent trip." There are at least a few posters on the Broadway Reddit who are Andrew Rannells superfans, seemingly mainly young women still in the stage of life where fandom and having parasocial relationships with actors is all-encompassing, who have a grudge because they think the production treated their precious baby poorly. I think you have pretty much nailed it. Some of the comments come across as so juvenile, dumb and mean-spirited that you cann help but smell a rat.
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Post by max on Oct 22, 2024 17:30:08 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed it at the Almeida, and if it had run longer would have recommended it to friends.
I can't quantify how much of the enjoyment came from knowing we were in on the start of something, in a (just over) 300 capacity venue up super-close, knowing tickets had sold out.
I preferred 'Jerry Springer The Opera' when they had Act 1 plus a fragment of Act 2 at Battersea Arts Centre. It's hard to be satirical when you reach National Theatre and operatic proportions; you're no longer the little terrier nipping at the heels of the powerful. You look powerful yourself.
Whatever that adds up to - set it against opening in a Broadway house of plus 1600 capacity, daring to take a very American subject and icon and sell it back to America, opening just after some jealousy/grudging respect at Cabaret and Sunset Boulevard garnering headlines. Okay - Jake Sheers is American, but if they want to see this as 'yet another British import' they will.
But - it's only social media. Strong reviews could set a better mood.
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Post by max on Oct 22, 2024 17:33:02 GMT
I read a comment online from someone saying, "I saw a performance of Tammy Faye during a recent trip to NY and it was the worst thing I've ever seen". It strikes me as a bit strange to refer to a trip that must have ended the day before at the earliest as "a recent trip." Surely if you saw something the previous night, you say "I saw this last night" not "I saw this on a recent trip." There are at least a few posters on the Broadway Reddit who are Andrew Rannells superfans, seemingly mainly young women still in the stage of life where fandom and having parasocial relationships with actors is all-encompassing, who have a grudge because they think the production treated their precious baby poorly. I think you have pretty much nailed it. Some of the comments come across as so juvenile, dumb and mean-spirited that you cann help but smell a rat. Deleted my own post, as I realised it might just give them further ammunition if they come here too; but... Exactly.
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Post by Fleance on Oct 22, 2024 18:08:29 GMT
I'm surprised at the negativity for Tammy Faye on Broadway World. Can the show really be so different? I loved it at the Almeida and look forward to seeing it here in New York. But shows do elicit different responses on different sides of the Atlantic. I remember Hand to God, which was highly acclaimed on Broadway yet totally trashed in London, where I saw and loved it.
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Post by shownut on Oct 22, 2024 18:25:28 GMT
I'm surprised at the negativity for Tammy Faye on Broadway World. Can the show really be so different? I loved it at the Almeida and look forward to seeing it here in New York. But shows do elicit different responses on different sides of the Atlantic. I remember Hand to God, which was highly acclaimed on Broadway yet totally trashed in London, where I saw and loved it. The comments on Bway World, All That Chat and Reddit Broadway are pretty out of proportion. I would imagine that MAYBE one out of ten is authentic and even that might be stretch. Many weren't even there but are posting tripe such as "I met a couple on the subway who told me...." or my best friend who sees EVERYTHING said it was the worst....". Looks suspicious if you ask me. Certain posters on Bway World have been on the attack since Andrew Rannells got canned so go figure. Totally predictable. I think the show is likely very different given that they redeveloped it, but with a new cast and the show broadened to fit a larger space it will take time to adjust. They are on a reduced schedule until the final week of previews so there is ample space and time for them to correct whatever needs fixing.
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Post by Fleance on Oct 22, 2024 18:45:15 GMT
I'm surprised at the negativity for Tammy Faye on Broadway World. Can the show really be so different? I loved it at the Almeida and look forward to seeing it here in New York. But shows do elicit different responses on different sides of the Atlantic. I remember Hand to God, which was highly acclaimed on Broadway yet totally trashed in London, where I saw and loved it. The comments on Bway World, All That Chat and Reddit Broadway are pretty out of proportion. I would imagine that MAYBE one out of ten is authentic and even that might be stretch. Many weren't even there but are posting tripe such as "I met a couple on the subway who told me...." or my best friend who sees EVERYTHING said it was the worst....". Looks suspicious if you ask me. Certain posters on Bway World have been on the attack since Andrew Rannells got canned so go figure. Totally predictable. I think the show is likely very different given that they redeveloped it, but with a new cast and the show broadened to fit a larger space it will take time to adjust. They are on a reduced schedule until the final week of previews so there is ample space and time for them to correct whatever needs fixing. As much as I loved the show at the Almeida, I don't mind that Andrew Rannells is out. He was good, but the heart of the show is Katie. I regret that Zubin Varla will not reprise his role -- he was amazing -- but Michael Cerveris should be able to handle the part of Jerry Falwell.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 23, 2024 10:56:12 GMT
You know, maybe- and this is just a thought- maybe the negativity for the Broadway community is that it hits closer to home.
(I think I'm right saying this) TV Evangelism was no way bigger anywhere else that in America.
It is my understanding that a lot of people lost a lot of money. And the show is reminding them of that time.
Whereas over here, we have a detachment, with an element of 'on the outside, looking in'.
I dunno.
Again, just a thought that crossed my mind.
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Post by nash16 on Oct 23, 2024 16:04:45 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed it at the Almeida, and if it had run longer would have recommended it to friends. I can't quantify how much of the enjoyment came from knowing we were in on the start of something, in a (just over) 300 capacity venue up super-close, knowing tickets had sold out. I preferred 'Jerry Springer The Opera' when they had Act 1 plus a fragment of Act 2 at Battersea Arts Centre. It's hard to be satirical when you reach National Theatre and operatic proportions; you're no longer the little terrier nipping at the heels of the powerful. You look powerful yourself. Whatever that adds up to - set it against opening in a Broadway house of plus 1600 capacity, daring to take a very American subject and icon and sell it back to America, opening just after some jealousy/grudging respect at Cabaret and Sunset Boulevard garnering headlines. Okay - Jake Sheers is American, but if they want to see this as 'yet another British import' they will. But - it's only social media. Strong reviews could set a better mood. You’re onto the potential issue here which is Brits taking American stories back to America, which, weirdly, the Rupert Goold (& the Almeida) have never learnt lessons from: ENRON: Hit in London/Flop in NYC AMERICAN PSYCHO: Hit in London/Flop in NYC And if what is happening to Sunset Boulevard occurs (the NYTimes giving a negative review, thus ensuring a shortened run), it will mean shutters pretty quickly. I agree with beingalive that TF wasn’t ready at the Almeida, and even with time between then and now, Elton and co may have spread themselves too thinly to make it good. There’s also the problem that they have ended up with the wrong sized venue too. Poor Katie.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 23, 2024 23:39:49 GMT
It is a massive mistake to transfer this from a very small London theatre to the biggest theatre on Broadway, it should have run in the West End, but the producers are like Tammy Faye and only sees dollars, big mistake.
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Post by viserys on Oct 24, 2024 7:24:34 GMT
I think you all name some very good reasons (well "reasons that make sense", whether they're good is another question):
For me as a neutral third-party bystander, I often sense some bias on both sides: Americans sniff at British productions and vice versa. And Americans get extra sniffy when the British try to tackle very American subjects like the aforementioned Enron and American Psycho (and sorry, you Brits can get very sniffy, too, I remember the horrific bile that was poured onto the French musical "Romeo and Juliet" back then in a HOW DARE THE FRENCH LAY A FINGER ON SHAKESPEARE!!! way).
The whole televangelist thing was what had put me off Tammy Faye in the first place, I only went to see it at the Almeida after the raves here. It will definitely hit much closer to home in the USA, where people lost money to these people (or lost loved ones who got brainwashed) and where the radical evangelical right is destroying women's rights right now.
The Palace Theatre is one of the most iconic houses on Broadway, it was already cheapened by giving the opening concerts to nepo baby Ben Platt of all people instead of some glamourous concert series or at least one of the great divas. Now it's getting an unknown show by a British team instead of either a big revival (such as Audra's Gypsy) or a much hyped new musical.
What worked well in a small London fringe theatre and caused a stir among MT fans does not necessarily translate to a big Broadway stage at ridiculous Broadway prices, especially in a season stacked with bigger and more interesting things. And Katie Brayben, bless her, is a nobody in New York. How can she compete with people like Audra McDonald and now Nicole Scherzinger, who delivers THE talked-bout performance of the season?
The Rannells fans spewing bile online... I doubt that affects ticket sales to the general public who don't even notice that kind of thing. But it certainly adds to the sense of negativity around the show in forums like BWW.
PS: One should not forget that Tammy Faye isn't the only new musical struggling - Maybe Happy Ending is presently struggling just as much with very low advance sales because it's apparently not a title / story that generates much interest.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 24, 2024 19:30:42 GMT
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 28, 2024 16:02:54 GMT
The BroadwayWorld thread appears to have imploded into a cabal of face-eating feral monkeys.
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Post by shownut on Oct 28, 2024 18:00:09 GMT
I agree.
The posts are rather disgusting and mean spirited with few actually offering what one would call a reasonable, sound point of view.
It reads like the board is mostly comprised of folks who would rather marvel at their own bitchiness than offer anything valid or worth responding to.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 28, 2024 22:32:49 GMT
I agree. The posts are rather disgusting and mean spirited with few actually offering what one would call a reasonable, sound point of view. It reads like the board is mostly comprised of folks who would rather marvel at their own bitchiness than offer anything valid or worth responding to. Welcome to Broadway World.
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Post by shownut on Oct 28, 2024 22:43:33 GMT
I agree. The posts are rather disgusting and mean spirited with few actually offering what one would call a reasonable, sound point of view. It reads like the board is mostly comprised of folks who would rather marvel at their own bitchiness than offer anything valid or worth responding to. Welcome to Broadway World. I think I'll avoid it. Looks like a very juvenile and mean spirited bunch and not the kind of folks whose opinions I would give a toss about. I don't think the moderators here would tolerate that level of rudeness or bullying and for good reason.
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Post by BVM on Oct 29, 2024 9:22:01 GMT
The BroadwayWorld thread appears to have imploded into a cabal of face-eating feral monkeys. My God - just had a look - it really has. What is it with that place? The bitchiness and poison is off the chart. Toxic! Still, certainly makes this place look incredibly civilised and well mannered. Is there any forum where one can discuss Broadway musicals (with higher volume content - can be a bit sparse here) in a pleasant environment or is it simply not possible? As a massive Sunset and Tammy fan I have an interest in this currently.....
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Post by alece10 on Oct 29, 2024 15:32:45 GMT
I've never visited that forum and don't intend to, sounds positive horrible and think it could make me quite angry.
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Post by BVM on Oct 29, 2024 15:52:00 GMT
I've never visited that forum and don't intend to, sounds positive horrible and think it could make me quite entry. Yeah it's pretty bad. Not to mention the layout and navigation is awful and there are endless intrusive ads every other millisecond! Much better here :-)
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