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Post by dan on May 10, 2024 12:10:50 GMT
The best option not to be hurt by reviews or audience's reactions is to produce something with a minimum of quality. #Rufxit Crikey.
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Post by ix on May 10, 2024 18:19:54 GMT
I’m upset I’m not going to get to see this now as I can’t make it on Saturday (tickets are on sale in the appropriate thread, and actually if somebody was willing to just make a £10/15 donation to my JustGiving fundraiser for BEAT as I’m running an ultramarathon, they can have the two tickets!) so I’m really hoping Rufus records versions of the songs because it’s music I was really going for, and I’d rather hear him sing them. But still, as this sounds so different I’d have liked to have seen it! I was listening to him on Minnie Driver’s podcast about the heartbreak / dark place he can feel after the press/reviews etc and hard it must be to have something that pours out of you and is so personal be attacked or at least feel like it’s being attacked. Whether it’s your job or not or if you should be prepared for that, it’s a human experience that must hurt. Together, they have created a whole, and it's that gawdawful whole they're being judged against. The music may have been fine in a different context, but within this show, it wasn't. Good creatives learn to accept that not everything they do is liked. I'm a graphic designer and when providing concepts, choices and suggestions, literally half of my output is instantly rejected out of hand. So I focus on the half that's liked and stay sane. Some in this production team have taken the honourable route, like Sheridan – who expressed her disappointment that it didn't work and apologised to her fans, even though she didn't need to do that at all and seemed, rightly or wrongly, to be regarded as the best asset the production had going for it, even in the most scathing reviews. Some have not, like Rufus – who appears to be one interview away from blaming next-door's cat.
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 10, 2024 18:29:03 GMT
I’m upset I’m not going to get to see this now as I can’t make it on Saturday (tickets are on sale in the appropriate thread, and actually if somebody was willing to just make a £10/15 donation to my JustGiving fundraiser for BEAT as I’m running an ultramarathon, they can have the two tickets!) so I’m really hoping Rufus records versions of the songs because it’s music I was really going for, and I’d rather hear him sing them. But still, as this sounds so different I’d have liked to have seen it! I was listening to him on Minnie Driver’s podcast about the heartbreak / dark place he can feel after the press/reviews etc and hard it must be to have something that pours out of you and is so personal be attacked or at least feel like it’s being attacked. Whether it’s your job or not or if you should be prepared for that, it’s a human experience that must hurt. He should have written a better show then. Don’t worry- you’ve escaped a terrible 2.5 hours in the theatre. Listen to Magic. It’s the only bearable song.
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Post by dan on May 10, 2024 18:33:51 GMT
Thanks for these replies. You’ve genuinely taught me something.
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Post by theatrelover123 on May 10, 2024 19:46:08 GMT
It was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen but I’m sooooooooooo glad I saw it
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 10, 2024 20:37:17 GMT
Thanks for these replies. You’ve genuinely taught me something. 🩷
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Post by dan on May 11, 2024 10:09:58 GMT
I’m upset I’m not going to get to see this now as I can’t make it on Saturday (tickets are on sale in the appropriate thread, and actually if somebody was willing to just make a £10/15 donation to my JustGiving fundraiser for BEAT as I’m running an ultramarathon, they can have the two tickets!) so I’m really hoping Rufus records versions of the songs because it’s music I was really going for, and I’d rather hear him sing them. But still, as this sounds so different I’d have liked to have seen it! I was listening to him on Minnie Driver’s podcast about the heartbreak / dark place he can feel after the press/reviews etc and hard it must be to have something that pours out of you and is so personal be attacked or at least feel like it’s being attacked. Whether it’s your job or not or if you should be prepared for that, it’s a human experience that must hurt. Sold now.
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Post by max on May 11, 2024 11:00:38 GMT
I’m upset I’m not going to get to see this now as I can’t make it on Saturday (tickets are on sale in the appropriate thread, and actually if somebody was willing to just make a £10/15 donation to my JustGiving fundraiser for BEAT as I’m running an ultramarathon, they can have the two tickets!) so I’m really hoping Rufus records versions of the songs because it’s music I was really going for, and I’d rather hear him sing them. But still, as this sounds so different I’d have liked to have seen it! I was listening to him on Minnie Driver’s podcast about the heartbreak / dark place he can feel after the press/reviews etc and hard it must be to have something that pours out of you and is so personal be attacked or at least feel like it’s being attacked. Whether it’s your job or not or if you should be prepared for that, it’s a human experience that must hurt. Sold now. Good luck with the ultramarathon. Impressive. A long runner under the 'Opening Night' thread!
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Post by fiyero on May 11, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
Fingers crossed for a quieter audience.
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Post by fiyero on May 11, 2024 16:35:33 GMT
I really enjoyed my second visit this afternoon. The audience were much better but I had to chuckle at the pair next to me who arrived in time for the interval!
I try not to pick shows apart anyway but am so glad I saw this properly. As has been mentioned there is a good show in there somewhere. I am certainly not the one to fix it though.
The American man next to me who has seen all the shows at the national and loads of arty plays really enjoyed it to.
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Post by max on May 11, 2024 16:50:02 GMT
I really enjoyed my second visit this afternoon. The audience were much better but I had to chuckle at the pair next to me who arrived in time for the interval! I try not to pick shows apart anyway but am so glad I saw this properly. As has been mentioned there is a good show in there somewhere. I am certainly not the one to fix it though. The American man next to me who has seen all the shows at the national and loads of arty plays really enjoyed it to. I'm glad you had a good experience this time. The audience was very warm on Thursday night; walking away from the theatre lots of people were picking apart what didn't work, but while in the theatre plenty were appreciating what was there, and the perfomances. As for this final curtain song - the way they each take a line, with exaggerated bonhomie (the opposite of the show itself) it's just perfect for the as-yet-unmade but announced 'Muppets On Broadway' with one of those camera-swinging-around numbers. I mean that in a good way! [I'm cueing up the 'they'd be muppets to take it to Broadway' jokes, I know]
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Post by fiyero on May 11, 2024 16:57:23 GMT
As for this final curtain song - the way they each take a line, with exaggerated bonhomie (the opposite of the show itself) it's just perfect for the as-yet-unmade but announced 'Muppets On Broadway' with one of those camera-swinging-around numbers. I mean that in a good way! [I'm cueing up the 'they'd be muppets to take it to Broadway' jokes, I know] Opening night played by muppets except Myrtle who is still Sheridan Smith?
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Post by Steve on May 11, 2024 20:56:46 GMT
As for this final curtain song - the way they each take a line, with exaggerated bonhomie (the opposite of the show itself) it's just perfect for the as-yet-unmade but announced 'Muppets On Broadway' with one of those camera-swinging-around numbers. I mean that in a good way! [I'm cueing up the 'they'd be muppets to take it to Broadway' jokes, I know] Opening night played by muppets except Myrtle who is still Sheridan Smith? Waldorf as the Writer, Statler as Nancy the Fan, Fozzie Bear as the Producer, The Count as the Director, The Swedish Chef as the Director's Wife, Kermit the Frog as Sheridan Smith's Ex-husband! Sell me a ticket right NOW!
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Post by greenandbrownandblue on May 12, 2024 13:02:33 GMT
Firstly it's good to see something like this in the West End. The cast is at the top of their game, and it's a challenging watch (good and bad).
I saw it last night and I'm not sure what to make of it. It's certainly not awful - there's much to admire - but it could be so much better. As others have said, it's not cohesive and it doesn't quite know what it is or wants to be. Why's it a musical? It would work so much better if the the show in a show (The Second Woman) was a musical. Also, we watch it count down through the previews to opening night, yet each time a scene from The Second Woman is performed, it's staged as if it's a rehearsal rather than a preview. Or maybe it's the day time rehearsals and we never see the previews in front of an audience?
Musically, I didn't feel as positively as Steve! But there are a few good numbers which are all performed brilliantly. Sheridan Smith singing Magic is, indeed, magic. I also loved Nicola Hughes' rendition of Life Is Thin, likewise the more understated numbers sung by John Marquez and Amy Lennox. Also the sound design is loud! At times too loud, but it's good to be in a musical where you can feel the music. So often I'm longing for them to ramp it up.
I didn't anticipate there to be so much video work in this. Some works (I loved the aerial shots), some is unnecessary; and I wished I'd seen this before Dorian Gray, as that does it better - though that's not to say this does it badly, it's just less impressive.
Couple more things. The breakdown is thrillingly staged with its strobes and pulsating beats, even if some of the action on stage is questionable (and borderline laughable). Also, if Nancy was an obsessive fan, I felt we should have seen her at stage door a few times before the accident. And I wished they'd not rushed the immediate aftermath of Nancy's death - that happens so quickly that we can't appreciate the shock Myrtle is in, but also none of the other character seem affected by it in anyway. That just didn't ring true at all.
But I am pleased to have seen it. I didn't love it, at times I was a bit bored, but I appreciated it and there are more than a couple of things which make it worth a watch. If you can get a cheap ticket, like I did, please do see it this week. Its presence makes the West End a more interesting place.
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Post by max on May 12, 2024 13:29:01 GMT
greenandbrownandblue said: "..Also, if Nancy was an obsessive fan, I felt we should have seen her at stage door a few times before the accident. And I wished they'd not rushed the immediate aftermath of Nancy's death - that happens so quickly that we can't appreciate the shock Myrtle is in, but also none of the other character seem affected by it in anyway. That just didn't ring true at all......" So true. Lack of others' care about the death is when it dawns they're going to muff the emotional dimensions, and risk the audience saying: "if you don't care, why should I?". Even just being insincere and aware of commercial risk those around Myrtle would surely spend time managing their star's feelings. It's at an early point too. Yet also ..lots that's good. A waste really.
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Post by blamerobots on May 12, 2024 13:37:19 GMT
Watched the original film, Opening Night by John Cassavetes last night.
A brilliant film. Almost filmed documentary-style. It's seriously great stuff.
The only thought I had when finishing it was how could anyone in their right mind think to adapt this into a show.
Some great films should stay great films, and not hit-and-miss stage adaptations (I felt similarly about van Hove's Network.)
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Post by Dr Tom on May 12, 2024 18:08:47 GMT
I saw this after closing was announced, managing to get a third row Stalls Rush ticket. The technical stuff is all quite impressive and Sheridan gives an excellent performance. I'm not sure this was ever good material for a musical.
The audience largely expected something else. I heard people sat near talking as they left. One asked "who was the little girl who kept coming on dancing?" Unfortunately, the part introducing this in the first half had been met by a lot of audience laughter, so I'm not surprised people didn't follow what was going on.
Glad I got the opportunity to see it.
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Post by Steve on May 15, 2024 22:42:32 GMT
Chanced my arm and rushed up from a Chichester matinée to see if I could make it to the Gielgud to see this one last time tonight before it closes Saturday. Although the train stopped for half an hour, while a fight was broken up on the train in front, I made it by the skin of my teeth lol! Despite its flaws, I've fallen in love with this show, and I'll miss it. That's why I bought the T-shirt, cos I want to remember a show I love, that I probably won't see again. Its just so different and has so many moments unlike anything I've seen before. Some spoilers follow. . . Kudos to Benjamin Walker, who, each time I saw this, found a different way of improvising laughs out of Sheridan Smith. That final scene they do together is all about improvisation, how real moments are superior to parroting a leaden script, and he took that dead script and breathed new life into it every night, crossing his eyes in new and imaginative contortions, messing with his hair in every way possible, ever looking to surprise Smith and get her corpsing in genuine laughter. One time he pulled off her shoe, one time he turned his shirt full gurning Quasimodo, each time he tried to achieve more freedom, extra zaniness, more unexpected antics to reduce Smith and the audience into life and laughter that really isn't there in the scripted lines, and each time I saw it, he succeeded more than the time before; Kudos to Shira Haas for taking a nonsensical character and charging her with such vivacity and humour, one moment quivering with tears, another moment merrily mocking the "Magic" song with supremely offhand sarcasm. Her whispering sardonic imp on Sheridan Smith's shoulder has been an absolute joy every time, and her songs never missed; Kudos to Jos Slovick for injecting huge amounts of heart into the most minute moments; Kudos to Amy Lennox for embodying tired vitriolic contempt, and a visceral sense of lostness, in the worst and most thinly written character in the piece. How I wish I had seen her Sally Bowles!; Kudos to John Marquez for being the compassionate soul of the piece, the only one who genuinely seemed to care about Smith's character (and everyone else) even if he was too dumb to call her a doctor lol; Kudos to Hadley Fraser for realising the wonderful "Pantomime" song every night to such a mellifluous degree, a song full of contradictions about shutting out the outside world, that is simultaneously narrow-minded, and so beautiful in its insular cosiness, a man constantly wrapping the world in cotton wool; Kudos to the wondrous Nicola Hughes for belting that closing first act number, "Life is Thin" into the stratosphere, one of the best and most fearsome and majestic personifications of death in a musical; And kudos to Sheridan Smith, who took a character that is thinly conceived and overwritten, and turning her into a proper believable human being, with a beating heart. Her "Magic" was magic every time. I'll wear my T-shirt with a wistful sense of loss and also joy at having fallen in love with this baby so many people felt was so utterly ugly lol.
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 15, 2024 22:47:47 GMT
Steve, I think we need to look into getting you some help. This needs dealing with asap.
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Post by myrtle on May 17, 2024 8:13:38 GMT
Hi, new member here. I’ve been reading the board for a few weeks so thought I should really join😂
For me, I totally agree with Steve. This is a fantastic show and the music is brilliant. The cast, led by Sheridan, really are amazing. The ladies smash it for me - Sheridan, Shira, Amy and Nicola.
I totally understand it might not be for some people but for some people to say don’t waste your money is a joke (not on this board I don’t think but I’ve seen it elsewhere). Make up your own bloody mind,m.
I have seen the show a number of times and for me just keeps getting better. Rufus’ music is very clever.
And yes I got the hoodie, tshirt and fridge magnet 😂😂😂.
Am expecting a ‘your head needs a wobble’ from Mrbarnsby😂
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Post by max on May 17, 2024 8:48:49 GMT
Hi, new member here. I’ve been reading the board for a few weeks so thought I should really join😂 For me, I totally agree with Steve. This is a fantastic show and the music is brilliant. The cast, led by Sheridan, really are amazing. The ladies smash it for me - Sheridan, Shira, Amy and Nicola. I totally understand it might not be for some people but for some people to say don’t waste your money is a joke (not on this board I don’t think but I’ve seen it elsewhere). Make up your own bloody mind,m. I have seen the show a number of times and for me just keeps getting better. Rufus’ music is very clever. And yes I got the hoodie, tshirt and fridge magnet 😂😂😂. Am expecting a ‘your head needs a wobble’ from Mrbarnsby😂 Hi, relieved you turned up here as Myrtle. If you'd turned up as Nancy I'd have been scared no standard lamp can keep a good/dead fan down.
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Post by nash16 on May 17, 2024 9:20:47 GMT
“Like sands through the hourglass” we enter the dying days of a dying show, and prepare ourselves for the influx of “last minute” visitors reviewing as “Do you know what, I actually really loved it”.
What is it about end of runs that inevitably invites these sudden positives? Is it the fact they saw the show just before it ended? I’ve always been intrigued.
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Post by mrnutz on May 17, 2024 9:56:27 GMT
Hi, new member here. I’ve been reading the board for a few weeks so thought I should really join😂 For me, I totally agree with Steve. This is a fantastic show and the music is brilliant. The cast, led by Sheridan, really are amazing. The ladies smash it for me - Sheridan, Shira, Amy and Nicola. I totally understand it might not be for some people but for some people to say don’t waste your money is a joke (not on this board I don’t think but I’ve seen it elsewhere). Make up your own bloody mind,m. I have seen the show a number of times and for me just keeps getting better. Rufus’ music is very clever. And yes I got the hoodie, tshirt and fridge magnet 😂😂😂. Am expecting a ‘your head needs a wobble’ from Mrbarnsby😂 Welcome to the board, Sheridan! Great to have you here.
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Post by sph on May 17, 2024 11:36:48 GMT
Hi, new member here. I’ve been reading the board for a few weeks so thought I should really join😂 For me, I totally agree with Steve. This is a fantastic show and the music is brilliant. The cast, led by Sheridan, really are amazing. The ladies smash it for me - Sheridan, Shira, Amy and Nicola. I totally understand it might not be for some people but for some people to say don’t waste your money is a joke (not on this board I don’t think but I’ve seen it elsewhere). Make up your own bloody mind,m. I have seen the show a number of times and for me just keeps getting better. Rufus’ music is very clever. And yes I got the hoodie, tshirt and fridge magnet 😂😂😂. Am expecting a ‘your head needs a wobble’ from Mrbarnsby😂 Welcome to the board, Sheridan! Great to have you here. Hmm... I'm thinking Sheridan is too happy to wash her hands of it. This is either Ivo or a producer. Assuming that Steve is Rufus. Either way, nice to have you on board! Good luck with your next project!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 17, 2024 11:43:56 GMT
I know (hope!) people are kidding and I’m sure myrtle will take it as such but really, countering a differing opinion with the suggestion that the poster is one of the people being criticised is a bit tired and not very welcoming to a new member. We can do better than that can’t we?
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