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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 15:19:29 GMT
Out of interest: why should the EU have given the UK even further concessions and discounts above and beyond the ones it already has? Personally, I think it should be the same for all EU countries and the UK shouldn't have even been granted its current concessions. You can't benefit from all the advantages without having to accept all the downsides. The British have never really changed from their colonial practice of engaging with other peoples with the primary purpose of exploitation. It's one of the defining core characteristics of the Conservatives, to preserve their historic priveleges at any cost. And within the UK, it results in the divergence between haves and have nots, and the fact that public effort to develop blighted areas has had to come from outside the UK, from the EU. This Brexit has happened because David Cameron promised the referendum, which he did for personal and party political purposes, to retain rebel Tory support. And now it has gloriously backfired on him and on the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 16:19:24 GMT
Out of interest: why should the EU have given the UK even further concessions and discounts above and beyond the ones it already has? I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Michael. I'd say that first, if a member of a club feels it isn't working for them, and the other members feel the rules do... Second, if the downsides exceed the advantages for that unhappy member... Still, as I've said on the other thread about all this, I really don't think we are anywhere even close to starting the first chapter on all this, let alone closing the book. And this is exactly WHY we voted to leave And it nicely puts London in its place too |
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Post by basdfg on Jun 24, 2016 16:57:07 GMT
Surely the biggest impact could be an economic recession and the loss of tourists who keep the west end afloat. A show about this time could be interesting One actor could easily do Boris and Trump and just change the accent and mannerisms.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 24, 2016 18:00:18 GMT
Good news for Wicked and Phantom then
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 22:54:54 GMT
We can criticise Brexit voters all we like, but the fact is that when Cameron went to the EU and asked for similar concessions, the EU basically put their fingers in their ears and went 'la la la, can't hear you'. Granting some measly concessions on the proviso that you can then revoke those concessions in future hardly inspires confidence in a union or gives the sense that the UK was considered in any way important, does it? They were so arrogant at that point, they never thought we'd leave. So I can understand why some voters would be tempted to take back control (however illusory that control is). Out of interest: why should the EU have given the UK even further concessions and discounts above and beyond the ones it already has? Personally, I think it should be the same for all EU countries and the UK shouldn't have even been granted its current concessions. You can't benefit from all the advantages without having to accept all the downsides. Surely anyone who wishes to get anywhere in politics knows sometimes you have to broker deals you don't want to, when the stakes are high? Especially if (as some world leaders are now saying) the body doing the asking is considered a key partner? Do we really believe that all EU countries are of equal importance/stature? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 23:35:25 GMT
I got told off on Facebook for calling Leave voters idiots today...I think that was an incredibly reserved choice of words personally. I said a lot worse today! |
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