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Post by ceebee on Sept 23, 2023 21:31:37 GMT
Sorry to disappoint any doubters but this was simply incredible tonight. I'll collect my thoughts and try and post some words later on that do this show justice.
Can I give six stars? I have only seen one Jamie Lloyd production before tonight, and could only tell you one Pussycat Doll song, but flipping heck the direction on this, Nicole Scherzinger, the cast, and the music - oh that beautiful music and stunning sound design - are absolutely superb.
An astonishing piece of theatre.
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Post by danf63389 on Sept 23, 2023 21:40:22 GMT
I'm there on Thursday and am increasingly anxious. "Attention must be paid" to the source material. Comments about the re-invention of Norma as an ex-reality star surely doesn't work with the references to the silent movie era. Write a new show about those individuals and don't mess with the source material. I am worried; it feels gimmicky and might attract a new audience who will be forever ruined. I don't know where these comments are coming from, I saw the performance yesterday (22 Sept) and it was very clearly set in 1949-1950, and Norma is referred to as a silent movie star throughout, no hint of "ex-reality star" at all. It's certainly a "modern" set design and direction, but stays faithful to the original story, and doesn't change anything of material importance. And the performances throughout are top notch, Scherzinger's voice is fantastic, and Tom Francis is nothing less than a star.
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Post by ntherooh on Sept 23, 2023 22:19:22 GMT
I take it the 5,000 £20 tickets are all gone? I saw someone ask before but cant find an answer. When i try booking it says it’s not valid for this event.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 23, 2023 22:22:59 GMT
I take it the 5,000 £20 tickets are all gone? I saw someone ask before but cant find an answer. When i try booking it says it’s not valid for this event. I think it was a limited time offer Also noticed that a lot of the early performances that were showing good availability are now showing medium or low. Word of mouth comments I guess.
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Post by jm25 on Sept 23, 2023 22:33:10 GMT
I take it the 5,000 £20 tickets are all gone? I saw someone ask before but cant find an answer. When i try booking it says it’s not valid for this event. The website is now saying that they've all sold out, unfortunately. It's directing people to the upper circle for standard £20 tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 22:59:12 GMT
Previous works get reinterpreted by new artists all the time.
The artwork alone for this production clearly shows it is a significant deviation from the opulence of many past stagings. I'm empathetic, but I can't get worked up over people who are surprised if they expect a new production to reflect what they've seen in the past.
If people make purchases without doing even the most basic of research, well that's on them. I mean when choosing a restaurant I'm going online to at least check out the menu and maybe a few Yelp reviews. It takes five minutes.
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Post by Jon on Sept 23, 2023 23:09:47 GMT
Previous works get reinterpreted by new artists all the time. The artwork alone for this production clearly shows it is a significant deviation from the opulence of many past stagings. I'm empathetic, but I can't get worked up over people who are surprised if they expect a new production to reflect what they've seen in the past. If people make purchases without doing even the most basic of research, well that's on them. I mean when choosing a restaurant I'm going online to at least check out the menu and maybe a few Yelp reviews. It takes five minutes. I do think there's an obsession with things being exactly the same as before but there's nothing wrong with reinvention. The original production while great is just the 1950 film with songs and in colour.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 23, 2023 23:11:29 GMT
Previous works get reinterpreted by new artists all the time. The artwork alone for this production clearly shows it is a significant deviation from the opulence of many past stagings. I'm empathetic, but I can't get worked up over people who are surprised if they expect a new production to reflect what they've seen in the past. If people make purchases without doing even the most basic of research, well that's on them. I mean when choosing a restaurant I'm going online to at least check out the menu and maybe a few Yelp reviews. It takes five minutes. Hard disagree.
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Post by Oobi on Sept 23, 2023 23:21:28 GMT
People here talk about having expectations of sets, costumes and faithfulness to the source material are dirty concepts, and anyone who doesn’t “get” the need to reinvent are somehow stuck in the past or fuddy-duddies. I don’t prescribe to this view because the majority of reimagined productions of classic musicals I’ve seen have been inferior. Inferior in orchestra size, sets, costumes, casting and storytelling. If you want to tell a different story, write your own. Don’t license a show then completely change everything about it to suit your own vision. I relate to your frustration, but your prescriptions are nutty. Theatre is and always has been a transformative medium. I think it's completely unreasonable for anybody to go into a show and expect it to have the same costumes or sets or staging as a version they saw decades ago. Of course, productions that mark a radical departure should convey their new vision, but that's precisely what the two shows you mentioned do: Oklahoma's website says "Oklahoma! as you’ve never seen it before – re-orchestrated and reimagined for the 21st century"; Sunset's website says "reimagined by visionary director JAMIE LLOYD for a new generation". This is perfectly sufficient to inform audience members what they're in for. It's just petty to demand a name change. (As an aside, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” might literally be the worst thing I have ever heard.) I also disliked the new Oklahoma but I was never under under any impression that the production was traditional.
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Sept 23, 2023 23:23:41 GMT
For anyone yearning to see the original version of Sunset Boulevard, it's being staged at the Grove Theatre Dunstable on 20 and 21 October.
There's often a block on amateur productions within a certain radius of London during a West End run but clearly not here. I'm seeing both close together.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 23, 2023 23:24:34 GMT
I don’t get the problem here? You pay to see and hear Sunset Boulevard- and that’s what you are getting.
Any clued up person will know what to expect with Jamie Lloyd directing.
This was never going to be that original Adelphi production, and rightly it is a different take on it.
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Post by BVM on Sept 23, 2023 23:24:56 GMT
Previous works get reinterpreted by new artists all the time. The artwork alone for this production clearly shows it is a significant deviation from the opulence of many past stagings. I'm empathetic, but I can't get worked up over people who are surprised if they expect a new production to reflect what they've seen in the past. If people make purchases without doing even the most basic of research, well that's on them. I mean when choosing a restaurant I'm going online to at least check out the menu and maybe a few Yelp reviews. It takes five minutes. Totally agree!
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Post by BVM on Sept 23, 2023 23:27:12 GMT
People here talk about having expectations of sets, costumes and faithfulness to the source material are dirty concepts, and anyone who doesn’t “get” the need to reinvent are somehow stuck in the past or fuddy-duddies. I don’t prescribe to this view because the majority of reimagined productions of classic musicals I’ve seen have been inferior. Inferior in orchestra size, sets, costumes, casting and storytelling. If you want to tell a different story, write your own. Don’t license a show then completely change everything about it to suit your own vision. I relate to your frustration, but your prescriptions are nutty. Theatre is and always has been a transformative medium. I think it's completely unreasonable for anybody to go into a show and expect it to have the same costumes or sets or staging as a version they saw decades ago. Of course, productions that mark a radical departure should convey their new vision, but that's precisely what the two shows you mentioned do: Oklahoma's website says "Oklahoma! as you’ve never seen it before – re-orchestrated and reimagined for the 21st century"; Sunset's website says "reimagined by visionary director JAMIE LLOYD for a new generation". This is perfectly sufficient to inform audience members what they're in for. It's just petty to demand a name change. (As an aside, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” might literally be the worst thing I have ever heard.) I also disliked the new Oklahoma but I was never under under any impression that the production was traditional. Completely agree. You have to take some responsibility when you part with your cash. Also word of mouth on social media etc so positive currently that even people not expecting what was on offer have mainly got a very pleasant surprise. So it’s win-win.
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Post by Jon on Sept 23, 2023 23:29:32 GMT
People here talk about having expectations of sets, costumes and faithfulness to the source material are dirty concepts, and anyone who doesn’t “get” the need to reinvent are somehow stuck in the past or fuddy-duddies. I don’t prescribe to this view because the majority of reimagined productions of classic musicals I’ve seen have been inferior. Inferior in orchestra size, sets, costumes, casting and storytelling. If you want to tell a different story, write your own. Don’t license a show then completely change everything about it to suit your own vision. I relate to your frustration, but your prescriptions are nutty. Theatre is and always has been a transformative medium. I think it's completely unreasonable for anybody to go into a show and expect it to have the same costumes or sets or staging as a version they saw decades ago. Of course, productions that mark a radical departure should convey their new vision, but that's precisely what the two shows you mentioned do: Oklahoma's website says "Oklahoma! as you’ve never seen it before – re-orchestrated and reimagined for the 21st century"; Sunset's website says "reimagined by visionary director JAMIE LLOYD for a new generation". This is perfectly sufficient to inform audience members what they're in for. It's just petty to demand a name change. (As an aside, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” might literally be the worst thing I have ever heard.) I also disliked the new Oklahoma but I was never under under any impression that the production was traditional. The thing about Sunset is that this isn't even the first London or UK revival and anyone who wanted a traditional production has had their fill over the last 10 years.
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Post by theatrelover97 on Sept 23, 2023 23:33:13 GMT
I don’t get the problem here? You pay to see and hear Sunset Boulevard- and that’s what you are getting. Any clued up person will know what to expect with Jamie Lloyd directing. This was never going to be that original Adelphi production, and rightly it is a different take on it. I doubt even 50 people in the audience each show know who Jamie Lloyd even is. Thetare is expensive nowadays and the main people who can afford the prices of the more expensive seats will be older wealthier people who are often more Conservative in nature.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 23, 2023 23:34:40 GMT
People here talk about having expectations of sets, costumes and faithfulness to the source material are dirty concepts, and anyone who doesn’t “get” the need to reinvent are somehow stuck in the past or fuddy-duddies. I don’t prescribe to this view because the majority of reimagined productions of classic musicals I’ve seen have been inferior. Inferior in orchestra size, sets, costumes, casting and storytelling. If you want to tell a different story, write your own. Don’t license a show then completely change everything about it to suit your own vision. I relate to your frustration, but your prescriptions are nutty. Theatre is and always has been a transformative medium. I think it's completely unreasonable for anybody to go into a show and expect it to have the same costumes or sets or staging as a version they saw decades ago. Of course, productions that mark a radical departure should convey their new vision, but that's precisely what the two shows you mentioned do: Oklahoma's website says "Oklahoma! as you’ve never seen it before – re-orchestrated and reimagined for the 21st century"; Sunset's website says "reimagined by visionary director JAMIE LLOYD for a new generation". This is perfectly sufficient to inform audience members what they're in for. It's just petty to demand a name change. (As an aside, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” might literally be the worst thing I have ever heard.) I also disliked the new Oklahoma but I was never under under any impression that the production was traditional. When a piece becomes so far removed from the source material, in my view, it takes on a new life as a piece of art independent to the original work. Shakespeare, as an example cited a few pages back as a piece of transformative theatre, has had centuries to grow. It can find new audiences from slow, steady growth. It doesn’t need a “visionary” to reinvent the text - it’s an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical. Sunset Boulevard, like it or not, is a piece whereby the the setting, characters and tone is crucial to the telling of the story. It’s why Andrew Lloyd Webber didn’t take Billy Wilder’s work and 90’s it “to the max, brah!”. It’s a period piece. Keeping references to the original setting (who on earth as young people know who Cecil B. De Mille is nowadays, or the concept of silent movies for that matter - I had to explain to a young niece was a cassette tape was) is disingenuous. Do you know what? Actually, I think I’d be very interested in seeing this if it was truly modernised and re-written, keeping the music of course, but bravely reworking the piece. Rename the characters (Gemma Desmond, Rylan Gillis), be more modern, update her faded star as being a flash-in-the-pan Big Brother/Love Island contestant. Perhaps I’m being a touch facetious (Sunset Boulevard: Social Media Edition”). But when a piece becomes so far removed from the original construct, surely as I type this, it is as much of a leech of the original material as any David Ian or Kenwright tour.
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Post by Jon on Sept 23, 2023 23:38:36 GMT
I don’t get the problem here? You pay to see and hear Sunset Boulevard- and that’s what you are getting. Any clued up person will know what to expect with Jamie Lloyd directing. This was never going to be that original Adelphi production, and rightly it is a different take on it. I doubt even 50 people in the audience each show know who Jamie Lloyd even is. Thetare is expensive nowadays and the main people who can afford the prices of the more expensive seats will be older wealthier people who are often more Conservative in nature. Why are you liking your own posts? Jamie Lloyd is known by regular theatregoers given he's been doing it for yonks, I don't think conservative theatregoers will be avoiding this and given that A Little Life sold very well with very expensive tickets, I think you're underestimating their tastes.
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Post by Jon on Sept 23, 2023 23:39:40 GMT
I relate to your frustration, but your prescriptions are nutty. Theatre is and always has been a transformative medium. I think it's completely unreasonable for anybody to go into a show and expect it to have the same costumes or sets or staging as a version they saw decades ago. Of course, productions that mark a radical departure should convey their new vision, but that's precisely what the two shows you mentioned do: Oklahoma's website says "Oklahoma! as you’ve never seen it before – re-orchestrated and reimagined for the 21st century"; Sunset's website says "reimagined by visionary director JAMIE LLOYD for a new generation". This is perfectly sufficient to inform audience members what they're in for. It's just petty to demand a name change. (As an aside, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” might literally be the worst thing I have ever heard.) I also disliked the new Oklahoma but I was never under under any impression that the production was traditional. When a piece becomes so far removed from the source material, in my view, it takes on a new life as a piece of art independent to the original work. Shakespeare, as an example cited a few pages back as a piece of transformative theatre, has had centuries to grow. It can find new audiences from slow, steady growth. It doesn’t need a “visionary” to reinvent the text - it’s an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical. Sunset Boulevard, like it or not, is a piece whereby the the setting, characters and tone is crucial to the telling of the story. It’s why Andrew Lloyd Webber didn’t take Billy Wilder’s work and 90’s it “to the max, brah!”. It’s a period piece. Keeping references to the original setting (who on earth as young people know who Cecil B. De Mille is nowadays, or the concept of silent movies for that matter - I had to explain to a young niece was a cassette tape was) is disingenuous. Do you know what? Actually, I think I’d be very interested in seeing this if it was truly modernised and re-written, keeping the music of course, but bravely reworking the piece. Rename the characters (Gemma Desmond, Rylan Gillis), be more modern, update her faded star as being a flash-in-the-pan Big Brother/Love Island contestant. Perhaps I’m being a touch facetious (Sunset Boulevard: Social Media Edition”). But when a piece becomes so far removed from the original construct, surely as I type this, it is as much of a leech of the original material as any David Ian or Kenwright tour. I guess you're happy with going to museum theatre then.... The irony that while ALW didn't touch Sunset Boulevard in terms of the setting, the stage adaptation of Whistle Down the Wind moved from rural England to the deep South so it's not like he's a purist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 23:44:26 GMT
Well, the show is already out there so none of this really matters anyway. Perhaps any people who are incensed that this isn't Sunset Boulevard as originally written will picket and protest outside the theater {sarcasm}.
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Post by Fleance on Sept 23, 2023 23:44:54 GMT
I liked Lincoln Center Theater's recent production of Camelot very much. Many (most?) people didn't. But it was very clear in advance that this was a changed show. I loved Ivo van Hove's 2020 Broadway revival of West Side Story. But I'd also like to see the classics traditionally done. Same with Shakespeare.
I wasn't planning to see Sunset Blvd., but now I'm intrigued.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 23, 2023 23:55:28 GMT
Well, the show is already out there so none of this really matters anyway. Perhaps any people who are incensed that this isn't Sunset Boulevard as originally written will picket and protest outside the theater {sarcasm}. See, this is the problem. Emotions run high when discussing subjects, and people get silly and don’t address the topics raised. From my point of view, all shows absolutely can be rebooted while maintaining their integrity to the writer’s intentions. Take Cabaret, for example, at the Kit Kat Klub. I hugely enjoyed that interpretation despite a complete change in direction creatively from productions which preceded it. What that production didn’t need to do was re-write the book or cast performers who don’t match the characters as written. Yet that production felt fresh, exciting and new - with no sets and a smallish band - if that is the definition nowadays of “reimagined”.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 24, 2023 0:01:51 GMT
I don’t get the problem here? You pay to see and hear Sunset Boulevard- and that’s what you are getting. Any clued up person will know what to expect with Jamie Lloyd directing. This was never going to be that original Adelphi production, and rightly it is a different take on it. In our own little theatre bubble here, we can often get confused ideas about who is “known”. Theatre people who the Public have heard of aren’t a huge number. Directors? Ask anyone on the street for three famous movie directors (Spielberg, Scorsese, Hitchcock) then try asking for three famous (or indeed any) theatre directors? Nobody knows who Jamie Lloyd is outside of our little theatre circle - and that’s fine. But it doesn’t work as a reason that the average punter will know what to expect from a “Jamie Lloyd Production”. It’s like asking what a Kneehigh (RIP) production would be; even amongst theatre fans, only some will know it will include folksy music and their tropes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 0:04:52 GMT
Well, the show is already out there so none of this really matters anyway. Perhaps any people who are incensed that this isn't Sunset Boulevard as originally written will picket and protest outside the theater {sarcasm}. See, this is the problem. Emotions run high when discussing subjects, and people get silly and don’t address the topics raised. From my point of view, all shows absolutely can be rebooted while maintaining their integrity to the writer’s intentions. Take Cabaret, for example, at the Kit Kat Klub. I hugely enjoyed that interpretation despite a complete change in direction creatively from productions which preceded it. What that production didn’t need to do was re-write the book or cast performers who don’t match the characters as written. Yet that production felt fresh, exciting and new - with no sets and a smallish band - if that is the definition nowadays of “reimagined”.
I'm not at all emotional or silly, but thanks for including me as part of "the problem" with your inaccurate assessments.
And since I already addressed the substance as I desire to do so in a previous post and you've already disagreed with it, feel free to excuse me from any further mention.
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Post by theatrelover97 on Sept 24, 2023 0:05:26 GMT
I doubt even 50 people in the audience each show know who Jamie Lloyd even is. Thetare is expensive nowadays and the main people who can afford the prices of the more expensive seats will be older wealthier people who are often more Conservative in nature. Why are you liking your own posts? Jamie Lloyd is known by regular theatregoers given he's been doing it for yonks, I don't think conservative theatregoers will be avoiding this and given that A Little Life sold very well with very expensive tickets, I think you're underestimating their tastes. A Little Life was graphic but from what I read was still designed in a more traditional theatre way and had star casting. (I sold my ticket as I was not able to to manage going alone and had nobody to go with so didnt buy two tickets. Regular theatregoers who keep up with the news and know the name of all the creatives are not that large a group and not that many people pay much attention to directors. 95%+ of the audience for this will book for one of the following reasons 1. because of the name of the show 2. Star casting 3. Written by ALW.
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