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Post by danb on Jul 24, 2023 8:15:07 GMT
The original run W/E Joes all seemed age appropriate. Do people ‘break’ earlier these days so we have a glut of mid-20’s male leads instead?
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 24, 2023 8:27:09 GMT
The original run W/E Joes all seemed age appropriate. Do people ‘break’ earlier these days so we have a glut of mid-20’s male leads instead? Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - and seem to be fast tracked to get lead roles in major shows. |
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Post by A.Ham on Jul 24, 2023 8:45:27 GMT
My understanding is that how this production will be ‘reimagined’ is yet to be confirmed, but interestingly LondonTheatreDirect’s paid social media ad (seen on Facebook) reads as follows:
Nicole Scherzinger stars in this new concert version of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical about a faded Hollywood icon.
‘Concert version’?!
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Post by danb on Jul 24, 2023 8:53:24 GMT
My understanding is that how this production will be ‘reimagined’ is yet to be confirmed, but interestingly LondonTheatreDirect’s paid social media ad (seen on Facebook) reads as follows: Nicole Scherzinger stars in this new concert version of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical about a faded Hollywood icon. ‘Concert version’?! Oh I do hope this is a typo/cock-up. I mean, I’d happily go and watch it, but surely the pricing would be concert level, not acknowledging sight lines so much etc. |
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Post by A.Ham on Jul 24, 2023 9:17:13 GMT
To be fair I don’t think of them as a primary ticket site so suspect they’ve just got their wires crossed and made a mistake. Interesting though!
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Post by viserys on Jul 24, 2023 10:28:50 GMT
Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - I hate to break it to you, guys, but as you grow older, other people suddenly look very young  PS: I would agree that Tom would look extremely young compared to classic Normas like Patti, Elaine or Glenn, but not if they need to keep a significant age difference to Nicole's younger-looking Norma. Besides, we still don't know what Lloyd may be cooking up. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 24, 2023 10:40:15 GMT
But then again the character is supposed to be a jaded screenwriter with previous work under his belt, not some fresh faced jock straight out of college. Ageing everyone down works up to a point, but not when it interferes with the characterisation or the actual story.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 24, 2023 10:47:22 GMT
My understanding is that how this production will be ‘reimagined’ is yet to be confirmed, but interestingly LondonTheatreDirect’s paid social media ad (seen on Facebook) reads as follows: Nicole Scherzinger stars in this new concert version of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical about a faded Hollywood icon. ‘Concert version’?! To be fair, everything is a concert these days. Easy mistake to make ... |
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 24, 2023 11:17:41 GMT
Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - I hate to break it to you, guys, but as you grow older, other people suddenly look very young PS: I would agree that Tom would look extremely young compared to classic Normas like Patti, Elaine or Glenn, but not if they need to keep a significant age difference to Nicole's younger-looking Norma. Besides, we still don't know what Lloyd may be cooking up. LOL! Yes, I do sometimes have to remind myself of this! But, still....... |
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 24, 2023 11:19:55 GMT
But then again the character is supposed to be a jaded screenwriter with previous work under his belt, not some fresh faced jock straight out of college. Ageing everyone down works up to a point, but not when it interferes with the characterisation or the actual story. Well, let's say he's early 30's 0 which Mr Gillis is - he could have easily been in the business for 5-10 years. Enough time to get very jaded. But it has to be PLAYED as such. Not even if the actor looks on the fresh faced side, surely he can bring a bit of grit and worldliness if he's a good actor - again I bring it back to Danny Mac as an excellent example. |
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Post by danb on Jul 24, 2023 11:40:27 GMT
Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - I hate to break it to you, guys, but as you grow older, other people suddenly look very young PS: I would agree that Tom would look extremely young compared to classic Normas like Patti, Elaine or Glenn, but not if they need to keep a significant age difference to Nicole's younger-looking Norma. Besides, we still don't know what Lloyd may be cooking up. I think Tom is the least concerning of the names mentioned. He only looked young in ‘& Juliet’ because of the styling. To me he looks late 20’s/early 30’s which is fine as a playing age for Joe, and his voice is great too. |
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Post by alece10 on Jul 24, 2023 12:22:30 GMT
To be honest as long as they aren't 10 years old and can sing and act I don't really care about age differences.
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Post by shorn on Jul 24, 2023 12:24:51 GMT
Of all the Joe's I've seen, the only one I think that really got it spot on was the original, Kevin Anderson
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Post by 42ndBlvd on Jul 24, 2023 13:00:50 GMT
Of all the Joe's I've seen, the only one I think that really got it spot on was the original, Kevin Anderson Absolutely adore his voice. Can't bear to hear anyone else but him. |
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Post by toomasj on Jul 24, 2023 18:10:42 GMT
My favourite was Ben Goddard, excellent performance.
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Post by chernjam on Jul 25, 2023 0:38:46 GMT
Of all the Joe's I've seen, the only one I think that really got it spot on was the original, Kevin Anderson Absolutely adore his voice. Can't bear to hear anyone else but him. Honestly, in all the casting chaos - between Patti and Glen - I felt worse for Anderson. Granted I never saw him live, just basing on pics and listening to the CD's his voice and vocal performance sounded spot on. Alan Campbell sounded (and acted) over the top for me. Could've been he was coached that way by Nunn - perhaps they had to make his performance less subtle/understated to match Close. When they first announced Close for NY - I was excited thinking Anderson was joining her |
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Post by sph on Jul 25, 2023 1:20:27 GMT
I think producers like to cast a fresh-faced young lead and always have - think Julie Andrews in My Fair Lady. They love the story of the young "discovery" and the fact that they don't have to pay them the salary of a more experienced "star" name.
Tom Francis will be just fine opposite a younger Norma. I think he can easily play late twenties - is he in his late twenties?
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Post by danb on Jul 25, 2023 3:32:25 GMT
I think producers like to cast a fresh-faced young lead and always have - think Julie Andrews in My Fair Lady. They love the story of the young "discovery" and the fact that they don't have to pay them the salary of a more experienced "star" name. Tom Francis will be just fine opposite a younger Norma. I think he can easily play late twenties - is he in his late twenties? Mid, I think. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 25, 2023 6:46:04 GMT
The original run W/E Joes all seemed age appropriate. Do people ‘break’ earlier these days so we have a glut of mid-20’s male leads instead? Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - and seem to be fast tracked to get lead roles in major shows. That’ll be because they are cheaper… |
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Post by max on Jul 25, 2023 8:16:53 GMT
Absolutely adore his voice. Can't bear to hear anyone else but him. Honestly, in all the casting chaos - between Patti and Glen - I felt worse for Anderson. Granted I never saw him live, just basing on pics and listening to the CD's his voice and vocal performance sounded spot on. Alan Campbell sounded (and acted) over the top for me. Could've been he was coached that way by Nunn - perhaps they had to make his performance less subtle/understated to match Close. When they first announced Close for NY - I was excited thinking Anderson was joining her I only knew Anderson from the OLC, and thought he was great. Also quite shocked at how full-on Alan Campbell was on the second recording. However, once I got used to Campbell I find Anderson sounds not just laconic (good) but almost sleepy (not so good) in comparison. I defer to those who saw him live and thought he was excellent though - but I wonder if they were in really good seats. For me he sounds perfect for the intimate 'radio drama' version I first heard the OLC as. Whereas I can see that as a somewhat Brechtian and declamatory narrator Campbell's Joe could take in the whole house with that flourish. (The theatre house, and the Napier floating one). |
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 25, 2023 9:31:15 GMT
Good point. A lot of these male leads these days seem to be barely graduated from drama school - and seem to be fast tracked to get lead roles in major shows. That’ll be because they are cheaper… Good point! I guess the ENO production had such a big budget (for "personnel") that they could afford a more seasoned, Olivier nominated performer like Michael Xavier |
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Jul 25, 2023 23:18:39 GMT
I saw Anderson twice and can confirm he absolutely nailed it. He oozed laconic charisma, leaving the histrionics to La LuPone.
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Post by theatrefan77 on Jul 25, 2023 23:56:02 GMT
I saw both Anderson and LuPone several times and witnessed both growing into their parts and nailing them. The show had a shaky start. I remember the ending being really flat and leaving audiences cold. Once they added the reprise of With One Look at the end, audiences reactions started to change and the show started to grow on people. For me LuPone and Anderson had great chemistry. I saw every London cast after them. Enjoyed most of them but for me LuPone and Anderson are still the best Norma and Joe.
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Post by sukhavati on Jul 26, 2023 4:24:23 GMT
Of all the Joe's I've seen, the only one I think that really got it spot on was the original, Kevin Anderson I know I saw him in the original production, but at this point I can't even remember much about him. I think I was too busy watching Patti and Daniel. That was a long time ago... |
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