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Post by marob on Apr 16, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out.
Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers.
Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out. Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers. Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂 There would need to be a lot more folk calling her out for her behaviour before she'd need to try and defend it as "banter". Still, she got lots of coverage, didn't she... |
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
I think she's a complete hypocrite after what she said to Tom Francis the sentiment of which was on a par with 'bloke down the pub' type of "you would though, wouldn't you, given the chance I mean..." nonsense. In both instances she abused her position as a celebrity in the public eye. I kind of agree. The two events aren’t really consistent. Had a man said that to Nicole there would totally be uproar. (That said it is of course more complex than that. Women have been on the receiving end of lecherous comments from men for decades. Many social phenomena will have a slight swing in the other direction before equality/parity/fairness is truly established - so does women objectifying men fall in to that category. Doesn't make it right. But it is seen. And then there is also the deeply difficult to discuss and highly contentious area of is anyone in 2024 allowed to find anyone sexually attractive and verbalise it? Is that a compliment or threatening/inappropriate behaviour? I'll save that for another time! I don't have an answer. It is important that we think about what is appropriate though. FWIW I do think a "throwing knickers" comment does overstep the line and IS inappropriate). Has slightly changed my opinion on the photographer incident as at first I was very much good on her, should absolutely be called out. But in light of the latter event, the former now feels a bit more like performing for her "yes queen slay" audience rather than genuinely wishing to address photographer behaviour. (Of course this is a guess as I don't know what she was thinking!) I also say this as someone who loves her as a performer. Her Our Kind of Love was iconic. |
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:51:02 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out. Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers. Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂 There would need to be a lot more folk calling her out for her behaviour before she'd need to try and defend it as "banter". Still, she got lots of coverage, didn't she... True - whatever anyone on here may think, won't change the fact that she's a very hot name currently! |
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:26 GMT
Ivano added to his tweet a criticism of the knickers comment. All the replies bar one were in agreement with him. Yet he's now deleted all the posts about it. Wonder why?
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Post by iseestars on Apr 16, 2024 15:03:59 GMT
did anyone get a screenshot before he deleted the tweets?
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Post by southstreet on Apr 16, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
Probably because some people in his life that he actually listens to told him he was being a tool with that post!
I am not defending what Hannah said to Tom, that was definitely also not appropriate, but that doesn't negate the fact that I am certain this photographer didn't ask many men to show more flesh and Ivano will have been the exception to the rule!
Plus Ivano only jumped onto 'but look at what she said to Tom' bandwagon after there were masses of quote tweets calling him out on his stupid tweet and reasoning and he found a reply somewhere that he thought would help him dig himself out of the silly hole he dug for himself.
EDIT - sorry, that was in reply to Adam Kinsey asking why Ivano deleted his tweet. ;p
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 15:35:34 GMT
What did the tweet say, it doesn't work for me. ”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?” |
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Post by max on Apr 16, 2024 15:59:52 GMT
What did the tweet say, it doesn't work for me. ”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?” I'm glad he deleted, but it's always too late - social media keeps the receipts. I think he was right btw, I just think he's early career and don't want see him go down that route of 'personality reputation bigger than performed roles'. I guess some would say I'm silencing someone, but he spoke so loud in his excellent performance in '....Jamie' at The Peacock, that'll do. It's a full time job managing the ricochet of social media, even if you think you've got a good argument, and his fandom vs hers just isn't a happy situation in a small industry. Even Carrie's ditched a bunch of her social media, and ...he knows her. |
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 16:02:39 GMT
”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?” I'm glad he deleted, but it's always too late - social media keeps the receipts. I think he was right btw, I just think he's early career and don't want see him go down that route of 'personality reputation bigger than performed roles'. I guess some would say I'm silencing someone, but he spoke so loud in his excellent performance in '....Jamie' at The Peacock, that'll do. It's a full time job managing the ricochet of social media, even if you think you've got a good argument, and his fandom vs hers just isn't a happy situation in a small industry. Even Carrie's ditched a bunch of her social media, and ...he knows her. I completely agree with all of this. He's also always seemed to me like a genuinely really sweet guy. |
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Post by aspieandy on Apr 16, 2024 16:39:25 GMT
It looked performative to me. Upping her brand value.
What would be her fee for the event £50,000 - £100,000?
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Post by distantcousin on Apr 16, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
I sent the Hannah video to my mate this morning. I found it a bit performative (I say this as I’ve watched ma y Hannah interviews, podcasts etc) and she always makes a point of ‘I’m such a badass feminist, men are sh*t blah blah- and the American audiences always LAP IT UP. As a woman, my first thought was but your dress has a big slit where the leg is intentionally meant to pop out… photographers on red carpets always shout at celebs to give certain angles, twirl, hold a dress in a certain angle so they can mutually get a great photo. I did not get the sense the photographer was being a creep but rather just wanting her to get the most out of the dress and there for the photo.
Absolutely agree. It feels like she's very obviously playing to the gallery. Us Brits can see right through it (we're so cynical!)
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 20:45:40 GMT
I sent the Hannah video to my mate this morning. I found it a bit performative (I say this as I’ve watched ma y Hannah interviews, podcasts etc) and she always makes a point of ‘I’m such a badass feminist, men are sh*t blah blah- and the American audiences always LAP IT UP. As a woman, my first thought was but your dress has a big slit where the leg is intentionally meant to pop out… photographers on red carpets always shout at celebs to give certain angles, twirl, hold a dress in a certain angle so they can mutually get a great photo. I did not get the sense the photographer was being a creep but rather just wanting her to get the most out of the dress and there for the photo.
Absolutely agree. It feels like she's very obviously playing to the gallery. Us Brits can see right through it (we're so cynical!)
Haha - aren’t we just! So true! It’s also so phoney how all the awards presenters and recipients all bowing down to her as if she’s the most impressive person they’ve ever met! Kim Woodburn needs to stage an intervention! |
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Post by max on Apr 17, 2024 10:56:28 GMT
I only just clocked that Will Close won Best Supporting Actor In A Play (for 'Dear England'), and that Luke Thompson and Zubin Varla (both for 'A Little Life') didn't. None of the footballer characters in 'Dear England' have much depth, or require much of an acting stretch.
I think there was a likeability factor for Close and Thompson's characters as written, but I also thought Luke Thompson's performance had the biggest range of all the performances in 'A Little Life'. I'm really gutted for him. For me THAT was a performance that wove through the entire play with great demands.
Perhaps other nominees who I didn't see were also as complex in performance. I just know that the collection of cute ticks required for Harry Kane in 'Dear England' were nothing in comparison.
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Post by Rory on Apr 17, 2024 11:18:41 GMT
I only just clocked that Will Close won Best Supporting Actor In A Play (for 'Dear England'), and that Luke Thompson and Zubin Varla (both for 'A Little Life') didn't. None of the footballer characters in 'Dear England' have much depth, or require much of an acting stretch. I think there was a likeability factor for Close and Thompson's characters as written, but I also thought Luke Thompson's performance had the biggest range of all the performances in 'A Little Life'. I'm really gutted for him. For me THAT was a performance that wove through the entire play with great demands. Perhaps other nominees who I didn't see were also as complex in performance. I just know that the collection of cute ticks required for Harry Kane in 'Dear England' were nothing in comparison. I agree with you. Will Close was brilliant in Dear England and gave a very entertaining turn, but for me Luke Thompson performance in A Little Life was more deserving of the Olivier. He and JN together were heartbreaking. I was even more moved whilst watching it a second time at the cinema. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 17, 2024 11:42:39 GMT
I loved Mark Gatiss and am happy he won- but I would personally have given James Norton the award. What he did every night on stage was nothing short of extraordinary.
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 17, 2024 18:19:01 GMT
Waddingham is very PC in a single respect. When it comes to using words like “going nuts” and “bunch of lunatics” she doesn’t have a problem. Too busy throwing her knickers at men to have any mental health awareness training I guess.
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Post by theatreloverlondon on Apr 18, 2024 7:03:59 GMT
I only just clocked that Will Close won Best Supporting Actor In A Play (for 'Dear England'), and that Luke Thompson and Zubin Varla (both for 'A Little Life') didn't. None of the footballer characters in 'Dear England' have much depth, or require much of an acting stretch. I think there was a likeability factor for Close and Thompson's characters as written, but I also thought Luke Thompson's performance had the biggest range of all the performances in 'A Little Life'. I'm really gutted for him. For me THAT was a performance that wove through the entire play with great demands. Perhaps other nominees who I didn't see were also as complex in performance. I just know that the collection of cute ticks required for Harry Kane in 'Dear England' were nothing in comparison. So true!! When I watched Dear England I thought everyone was great but Joseph Fiennes was the only person who made me think wow he must get an award!! & maybe the psychologist lady. |
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Post by aspieandy on Apr 18, 2024 14:10:24 GMT
Everythng about Harry Kane is understated. From the 16-year old working class school leaver with a speech impediment, to the boy accepted into academies and later rejected by Tottenham and Arsenal academies, from being on the verge of being let go again to England's all-time goal scorer, to not wanting to speak in public to addressing the nation in the most difficult circumstances. Many people in the audience would know some of his backstory.
The problem is how to represent someone so understated, who let's actions speak for words, in a dramatic national story. The balanced writing of Kane's story was exceptional. Fwiw, I thought the execution was pretty tricky but he pulled it off.
In contrast, the characters in A Little Life had no backstory - they were created to serve a sensationalist narrative in a piece of fiction.
At least Will Close hit the back of the net with his acceptance speech >>
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Post by max on Apr 18, 2024 22:42:16 GMT
Everythng about Harry Kane is understated. From the 16-year old working class school leaver with a speech impediment, to the boy accepted into academies and later rejected by Tottenham and Arsenal academies, from being on the verge of being let go again to England's all-time goal scorer, to not wanting to speak in public to addressing the nation in the most difficult circumstances. Many people in the audience would know some of his backstory. The problem is how to represent someone so understated, who let's actions speak for words, in a dramatic national story. The balanced writing of Kane's story was exceptional. Fwiw, I thought the execution was pretty tricky but he pulled it off. In contrast, the characters in A Little Life had no backstory - they were created to serve a sensationalist narrative in a piece of fiction. At least Will Close hit the back of the net with his acceptance speech >> As a fairweather Tottenham Hotspur fan (more of the Gary Mabbutt, Steve Perryman era when I lived near the ground) what you describe above of Kane's background is exactly what I wanted to see more of in the play. Thanks for telling me about it now - I'm more interested in (and impressed by) Kane because of it; the play had its chance and, for me, didn't deliver. The back story of 'A Little Life' is difficult for the group of friends because the central character has held back so much of himself from the others, but I thought Luke Thompson beautifully conveyed how long he'd been waiting for that connection, so that's what moved me. As for the central character, we see his back story from a very young child, right up to today - it's almost all back story, shuffling with the narrative of now. My favourite scene was when we were in three time periods at the same time. |
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Post by max on Apr 18, 2024 22:51:47 GMT
Though we disagree aspieandy , thanks for making me think of Spurs and one of my favourite writers Sean O'Casey, and the way in 'The Silver Tassie' soldiers in the trenches of World War One dream of being home: "Would God I smok'd and lifted Cargoes From the laden shoulders of London's river-way; Then holiday'd, roaring out courage and movement To the muscled machines of Tottenham Hotspur." |
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Post by kyvai on Apr 20, 2024 6:54:55 GMT
Hehe in that Best Supporting Actor announcement clip, Paul Hilton is doing the Joey Tribbiani “smile and nod” when the cameras are on him 😂😂😂 (Friends nerds will know!)
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