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Post by aspieandy on Apr 15, 2024 21:43:11 GMT
I wonder if they'll dump Vindaloo and the Theresa May/Boris Johnson stuff mid Atlantic.
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Post by nash16 on Apr 15, 2024 22:03:49 GMT
The Guardian saying Guardian things >>>
Unclear how more Hytner and less Jamie Lloyd would help Ms Akbar's perceived imbalance. Ditto Marisha Wallace instead of Nicole S.
Imo, there is a case for other productions to be in the revival catagory (rather than The Effect), and the Almedia's King Lear would be among my contenders. Though that would mean tossing out a living woman for a very dead white bloke.
She also seems to be clueless as to how the Oliviers/SOLT machine works. Was this her first year watching/reviewing it?
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Post by harrietcraig on Apr 16, 2024 2:28:42 GMT
Dear England is a great play but is perceived to be too British in its subject matter. It is going to be a challenge to present it in New York. To paraphrase mrbarnaby, "I have it on VERY VERY good authority." This may say something about the appeal of Dear England to New York audiences: last month I went to an NT Live screening of Dear England in Manhattan, at which there were many empty seats in the theater. The same theater had been sold out for an NT Live screening of Vanya a couple of weeks earlier.
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Post by Fleance on Apr 16, 2024 2:33:36 GMT
Dear England is a great play but is perceived to be too British in its subject matter. It is going to be a challenge to present it in New York. To paraphrase mrbarnaby, "I have it on VERY VERY good authority." This may say something about the appeal of Dear England to New York audiences: last month I went to an NT Live screening of Dear England in Manhattan, at which there were many empty seats in the theater. The same theater had been sold out for an NT Live screening of Vanya a couple of weeks earlier. I loved the play. I'm American and saw it at the NT with an English friend whose enthusiasm (along with the audience's) really enhanced my appreciation of the play. I think it could work here (in NYC) at some point. I was on the bus in Manhattan about a year ago and heard New York schoolboys talking about Fulham, Chelsea, etc.
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Post by distantcousin on Apr 16, 2024 8:00:40 GMT
I watched it this afternoon. Highlight was easily Tom Francis doing Sunset Boulevard. Realising he was on the steps outside was weirdlythrilling in the same way it was in the Savoy. She seems lovely but I’m slightly baffled by the popularity of Hannah W, and the fact she’s somehow become the face of British theatre when she hasn’t done any in over a decade. I think I’d rather them get Manford back next year. Agree, re Hannah - she just seems like a poster girl at this point. But it feels like she abandoned legit stage work (acting) years ago, and in a live setting feels more like an "entertainer".
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 8:11:25 GMT
Video going around on X of Hannah Waddingham telling off a photographer for telling her to show a bit of leg whilst he took a photo of her. She refused and stormed off, giving him a telling off (called him a d!ck, and asked him if he'd ask a man to do the same). Strange when the same woman sexually harassed Tom Francis on stage later that evening saying she wanted to throw her knickers at him. What if a man said that after a woman performed? Hannah was totally right to call out that photographer. It was objectification. Unfortunately what she said on stage about Tom Francis was also objectification and I'm very uncomfortable about the huge amount of praise for Hannah on the former and the almost total lack of balance by pointing out the latter. And I say that as someone that likes Hannah.
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Post by ladidah on Apr 16, 2024 8:24:13 GMT
I agree, I watched this last night and thought that comment was inappropriate.
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Post by justfran on Apr 16, 2024 12:58:53 GMT
I totally agree and it actually seems more baffling after seeing the video of her with the photographer, that just a few hours later she would think it’s appropriate to make the comment towards Tom?!
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 13:03:02 GMT
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Post by theatreloverlondon on Apr 16, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
I sent the Hannah video to my mate this morning. I found it a bit performative (I say this as I’ve watched ma y Hannah interviews, podcasts etc) and she always makes a point of ‘I’m such a badass feminist, men are sh*t blah blah- and the American audiences always LAP IT UP. As a woman, my first thought was but your dress has a big slit where the leg is intentionally meant to pop out… photographers on red carpets always shout at celebs to give certain angles, twirl, hold a dress in a certain angle so they can mutually get a great photo. I did not get the sense the photographer was being a creep but rather just wanting her to get the most out of the dress and there for the photo.
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Post by theatreloverlondon on Apr 16, 2024 13:14:45 GMT
Omg I really sound like I hate her don’t I 😭- I don’t, just as someone who has followed her career over the last year I’ve noticed somethings that I think are sooooo jarring
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Post by ladidah on Apr 16, 2024 13:19:31 GMT
I think due to previous experiences she found the request cheeky, which is her opinion.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 16, 2024 13:37:14 GMT
I think she's a complete hypocrite after what she said to Tom Francis the sentiment of which was on a par with 'bloke down the pub' type of "you would though, wouldn't you, given the chance I mean..." nonsense. In both instances she abused her position as a celebrity in the public eye.
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Post by damaskanddark on Apr 16, 2024 13:58:23 GMT
She is so beyond the pale at this point
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 13:59:41 GMT
I think she's a complete hypocrite after what she said to Tom Francis the sentiment of which was on a par with 'bloke down the pub' type of "you would though, wouldn't you, given the chance I mean..." nonsense. In both instances she abused her position as a celebrity in the public eye. Yes. Oddly enough, I raised this with a few people on social media and all defended Hannah for her knickers comment. "She might know Tom", "but in Sunset Joe is sexy so Hannah was responding to that". One said the photographer was lecherous. I said that the Cambridge Dictionary defines lecherous as 'showing a strong sexual interest in someone' and asked in what context other than sexual can that knickers comment be taken? Answer: "you're focusing on the wrong thing, that was just an improvised live joke". Really? I'm very disappointed in the double standards on display here. Can you imagine if a male host had made a sexual remark about Nicole Sherzinger?
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Post by marob on Apr 16, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out.
Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers.
Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out. Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers. Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂 There would need to be a lot more folk calling her out for her behaviour before she'd need to try and defend it as "banter". Still, she got lots of coverage, didn't she...
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
I think she's a complete hypocrite after what she said to Tom Francis the sentiment of which was on a par with 'bloke down the pub' type of "you would though, wouldn't you, given the chance I mean..." nonsense. In both instances she abused her position as a celebrity in the public eye. I kind of agree. The two events aren’t really consistent. Had a man said that to Nicole there would totally be uproar. (That said it is of course more complex than that. Women have been on the receiving end of lecherous comments from men for decades. Many social phenomena will have a slight swing in the other direction before equality/parity/fairness is truly established - so does women objectifying men fall in to that category. Doesn't make it right. But it is seen. And then there is also the deeply difficult to discuss and highly contentious area of is anyone in 2024 allowed to find anyone sexually attractive and verbalise it? Is that a compliment or threatening/inappropriate behaviour? I'll save that for another time! I don't have an answer. It is important that we think about what is appropriate though. FWIW I do think a "throwing knickers" comment does overstep the line and IS inappropriate). Has slightly changed my opinion on the photographer incident as at first I was very much good on her, should absolutely be called out. But in light of the latter event, the former now feels a bit more like performing for her "yes queen slay" audience rather than genuinely wishing to address photographer behaviour. (Of course this is a guess as I don't know what she was thinking!) I also say this as someone who loves her as a performer. Her Our Kind of Love was iconic.
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:51:02 GMT
I think the whole thing is very much a storm in a teacup, but it does go to show things aren’t necessarily as black and white as often made out. Ivano’s tweet, and particularly the follow up, show that they were indeed shouting it at men too. I’d imagine he photographer just wants an “Angelina Jolie at the Oscars”-type photo, as would the dress designers. Just need her to dismiss the knickers comment as “only banter.” 😂 There would need to be a lot more folk calling her out for her behaviour before she'd need to try and defend it as "banter". Still, she got lots of coverage, didn't she... True - whatever anyone on here may think, won't change the fact that she's a very hot name currently!
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Post by adamkinsey on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:26 GMT
Ivano added to his tweet a criticism of the knickers comment. All the replies bar one were in agreement with him. Yet he's now deleted all the posts about it. Wonder why?
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Post by iseestars on Apr 16, 2024 15:03:59 GMT
did anyone get a screenshot before he deleted the tweets?
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Post by southstreet on Apr 16, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
Probably because some people in his life that he actually listens to told him he was being a tool with that post!
I am not defending what Hannah said to Tom, that was definitely also not appropriate, but that doesn't negate the fact that I am certain this photographer didn't ask many men to show more flesh and Ivano will have been the exception to the rule! Plus Ivano only jumped onto 'but look at what she said to Tom' bandwagon after there were masses of quote tweets calling him out on his stupid tweet and reasoning and he found a reply somewhere that he thought would help him dig himself out of the silly hole he dug for himself.
EDIT - sorry, that was in reply to Adam Kinsey asking why Ivano deleted his tweet. ;p
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 15:35:34 GMT
What did the tweet say, it doesn't work for me. ”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?”
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Post by max on Apr 16, 2024 15:59:52 GMT
What did the tweet say, it doesn't work for me. ”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?” I'm glad he deleted, but it's always too late - social media keeps the receipts. I think he was right btw, I just think he's early career and don't want see him go down that route of 'personality reputation bigger than performed roles'. I guess some would say I'm silencing someone, but he spoke so loud in his excellent performance in '....Jamie' at The Peacock, that'll do. It's a full time job managing the ricochet of social media, even if you think you've got a good argument, and his fandom vs hers just isn't a happy situation in a small industry. Even Carrie's ditched a bunch of her social media, and ...he knows her.
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 16:02:39 GMT
”I just wanna speak up about this as I think it's completely unfair! As a man that he said this too! He was just doing his job. All of us that wore dresses with slits were directed to pose showing off the slit. If you didn't want to you could have said no politely @hanwaddingham You said "you'd never say this to a man" he did. Me. So this rhetoric I feel completely reeks of clout chasing. But anyway thank you @hellofashion_ _uk for putting me on your list xoxo does my leg look cute?” I'm glad he deleted, but it's always too late - social media keeps the receipts. I think he was right btw, I just think he's early career and don't want see him go down that route of 'personality reputation bigger than performed roles'. I guess some would say I'm silencing someone, but he spoke so loud in his excellent performance in '....Jamie' at The Peacock, that'll do. It's a full time job managing the ricochet of social media, even if you think you've got a good argument, and his fandom vs hers just isn't a happy situation in a small industry. Even Carrie's ditched a bunch of her social media, and ...he knows her. I completely agree with all of this. He's also always seemed to me like a genuinely really sweet guy.
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Post by aspieandy on Apr 16, 2024 16:39:25 GMT
It looked performative to me. Upping her brand value.
What would be her fee for the event £50,000 - £100,000?
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Post by distantcousin on Apr 16, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
I sent the Hannah video to my mate this morning. I found it a bit performative (I say this as I’ve watched ma y Hannah interviews, podcasts etc) and she always makes a point of ‘I’m such a badass feminist, men are sh*t blah blah- and the American audiences always LAP IT UP. As a woman, my first thought was but your dress has a big slit where the leg is intentionally meant to pop out… photographers on red carpets always shout at celebs to give certain angles, twirl, hold a dress in a certain angle so they can mutually get a great photo. I did not get the sense the photographer was being a creep but rather just wanting her to get the most out of the dress and there for the photo.
Absolutely agree. It feels like she's very obviously playing to the gallery. Us Brits can see right through it (we're so cynical!)
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 20:45:40 GMT
I sent the Hannah video to my mate this morning. I found it a bit performative (I say this as I’ve watched ma y Hannah interviews, podcasts etc) and she always makes a point of ‘I’m such a badass feminist, men are sh*t blah blah- and the American audiences always LAP IT UP. As a woman, my first thought was but your dress has a big slit where the leg is intentionally meant to pop out… photographers on red carpets always shout at celebs to give certain angles, twirl, hold a dress in a certain angle so they can mutually get a great photo. I did not get the sense the photographer was being a creep but rather just wanting her to get the most out of the dress and there for the photo.
Absolutely agree. It feels like she's very obviously playing to the gallery. Us Brits can see right through it (we're so cynical!)
Haha - aren’t we just! So true! It’s also so phoney how all the awards presenters and recipients all bowing down to her as if she’s the most impressive person they’ve ever met! Kim Woodburn needs to stage an intervention!
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Post by max on Apr 17, 2024 10:56:28 GMT
I only just clocked that Will Close won Best Supporting Actor In A Play (for 'Dear England'), and that Luke Thompson and Zubin Varla (both for 'A Little Life') didn't. None of the footballer characters in 'Dear England' have much depth, or require much of an acting stretch.
I think there was a likeability factor for Close and Thompson's characters as written, but I also thought Luke Thompson's performance had the biggest range of all the performances in 'A Little Life'. I'm really gutted for him. For me THAT was a performance that wove through the entire play with great demands.
Perhaps other nominees who I didn't see were also as complex in performance. I just know that the collection of cute ticks required for Harry Kane in 'Dear England' were nothing in comparison.
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Post by Rory on Apr 17, 2024 11:18:41 GMT
I only just clocked that Will Close won Best Supporting Actor In A Play (for 'Dear England'), and that Luke Thompson and Zubin Varla (both for 'A Little Life') didn't. None of the footballer characters in 'Dear England' have much depth, or require much of an acting stretch. I think there was a likeability factor for Close and Thompson's characters as written, but I also thought Luke Thompson's performance had the biggest range of all the performances in 'A Little Life'. I'm really gutted for him. For me THAT was a performance that wove through the entire play with great demands. Perhaps other nominees who I didn't see were also as complex in performance. I just know that the collection of cute ticks required for Harry Kane in 'Dear England' were nothing in comparison. I agree with you. Will Close was brilliant in Dear England and gave a very entertaining turn, but for me Luke Thompson performance in A Little Life was more deserving of the Olivier. He and JN together were heartbreaking. I was even more moved whilst watching it a second time at the cinema.
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