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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 16:03:26 GMT
You might want to consider googling "systemic racism", 'cos right now you're just kinda embarrassing yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 16:59:07 GMT
Not half as much as you with your " 'cos" and "kinda"...
Seriously, what on earth did you do before Google existed?
Ever ready to stick a label on someone or something...
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Post by bramble on Jan 6, 2017 21:14:44 GMT
Thank goodness for Julian Clary and Paul O'Grady. They are excellent But please what is Amanda Holden like? Talentless wonder. Much too long but fun.
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Post by partytentdown on Jan 6, 2017 21:59:14 GMT
What's wrong with aggressively white? Mowtown, Lion king and Dreamgirls are aggressively black.....Why should there have to be a token Asian or black person in the chorus? To meet a quota? It should be best person on the audition day whether they are Scouse, African, green or whatever. PC Britain and BAME representation is not always a good thing! I didn't even notice.... Looking back on this thread today, all you've done is moan about the show, criticise it and other users. Why are you here if all you can be is negative? You can disagree with my point and I always listen to an argument, but you're being deliberately provocative and borderline racist. 'PC Britain' is not a thing, 'aggressively black' is not a thing - these are nasty, pointed phrases of the kind that are now apparently perfectly acceptable to bandy about in this Brexitty world. I was sitting in front of a black family with a couple of young girls. It just made me wonder what it must be like for them, possibly attending the theatre for the first time (like me along ago, which inspired me to be as passionate about it as I am) and wonder why there was nobody that looked like them up there in a cast of, what, 30? You may not have 'even noticed', but I bet they did.
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Post by CG on the loose on Jan 6, 2017 23:36:14 GMT
O’Grady clearly suffering and didn’t sing the big Salvation Army number that I believe is usually his – it was sung by another actor (understudy perhaps?). Christopher Howells... he did the same tonight as Brother Aloysius, rather wonderfully, I thought!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 18:43:13 GMT
Bit of a random question but the "What are the chances" song during the ballroom scene. is that an actual song? if so what is the correct name for it?
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Post by carmella1 on Jan 11, 2017 22:03:45 GMT
I believe it is an original song for the pantomime.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 22:12:36 GMT
I believe it is an original song for the pantomime. I thought as much, thank you
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Post by westendwendy on Jan 12, 2017 2:01:42 GMT
What's wrong with aggressively white? Mowtown, Lion king and Dreamgirls are aggressively black.....Why should there have to be a token Asian or black person in the chorus? To meet a quota? It should be best person on the audition day whether they are Scouse, African, green or whatever. PC Britain and BAME representation is not always a good thing! I didn't even notice.... Looking back on this thread today, all you've done is moan about the show, criticise it and other users. Why are you here if all you can be is negative? You can disagree with my point and I always listen to an argument, but you're being deliberately provocative and borderline racist. 'PC Britain' is not a thing, 'aggressively black' is not a thing - these are nasty, pointed phrases of the kind that are now apparently perfectly acceptable to bandy about in this Brexitty world. I was sitting in front of a black family with a couple of young girls. It just made me wonder what it must be like for them, possibly attending the theatre for the first time (like me along ago, which inspired me to be as passionate about it as I am) and wonder why there was nobody that looked like them up there in a cast of, what, 30? You may not have 'even noticed', but I bet they did. My aggressively black comment was in reasonse to the agressively White comment of the poster before. I am all for diversity and developing theatre that reaches out to the masses on every level but whether it is The Sound Of Music or Cinderella I do not think that adding a black performer on the end of the chorus line would or should make the show more "acceptable". How far do you go to please everyone who is watching for the first time? I agree as the show was staged in London it was a very white cast considering white people make up 48 percent of the capital but that was the talent they cast and that lies with the producers. There are dozens of other shows were BAME talent represents 90 percent. What next? A black Blood Brothers? That's not racist, that's just historically correct that it should be a white cast in the same way Dreamgirls or Mowtown should be about African Americans. I'm not being nasty, I'm just being factually correct,
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Post by talkstageytome on Jan 12, 2017 8:16:24 GMT
We've had this discussion before. In depth. It's frustrating that we have to keep explaining why diversity is important and why a majority black cast for something like Dreamgirls or Mowtown (where it DIRECTLY influences the story or addresses issues of race) is wildly different to a majority white cast for Cinderella where race has no baring on the story whatsoever.
I also really don't buy this 'historical accuracy' thing at all. People bandy about the term when, for example, Les Mis casts a non white actor in any role, as if the population of France was 100% white a few hundred years ago. Which it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 8:41:56 GMT
We've had this discussion before. In depth. It's frustrating that we have to keep explaining why diversity is important and why a majority black cast for something like Dreamgirls or Mowtown (where it DIRECTLY influences the story or addresses issues of race) is wildly different to a majority white cast for Cinderella where race has no baring on the story whatsoever. I also really don't buy this 'historical accuracy' thing at all. People bandy about the term when, for example, Les Mis casts a non white actor in any role, as if the population of France was 100% white a few hundred years ago. Which it wasn't. This is what I agree with so much. Look at Hamilton for example, the Schlyler Sisters are white but in the show they aren't. Any show can have a diverse cast in my opinion, it does depend on WHO is best for the part but there are plenty of black actors and actresses
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Post by theatremadness on Jan 12, 2017 11:36:50 GMT
"Historical accuracy" is probably the most stupidly pathetic excuse for having an all-white cast. Theatre is *not* a documentary. Even if it's based on real people/events. It's make believe. It's playing. It's acting. It. Ain't. Real. And audiences are cleverer than having to make sure that if people were white in the history they're telling, then they better be white on stage, too.
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Post by partytentdown on Jan 12, 2017 11:53:58 GMT
Cinderella is set in a made up time and place. If anything, it should be the most mixed cast in the west end because it's not tied to any location or history. Strange that someone decided to make it pretty much exclusively white.
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Post by partytentdown on Jan 12, 2017 12:00:02 GMT
Looking back on this thread today, all you've done is moan about the show, criticise it and other users. Why are you here if all you can be is negative? You can disagree with my point and I always listen to an argument, but you're being deliberately provocative and borderline racist. 'PC Britain' is not a thing, 'aggressively black' is not a thing - these are nasty, pointed phrases of the kind that are now apparently perfectly acceptable to bandy about in this Brexitty world. I was sitting in front of a black family with a couple of young girls. It just made me wonder what it must be like for them, possibly attending the theatre for the first time (like me along ago, which inspired me to be as passionate about it as I am) and wonder why there was nobody that looked like them up there in a cast of, what, 30? You may not have 'even noticed', but I bet they did. My aggressively black comment was in reasonse to the agressively White comment of the poster before. I am all for diversity and developing theatre that reaches out to the masses on every level but whether it is The Sound Of Music or Cinderella I do not think that adding a black performer on the end of the chorus line would or should make the show more "acceptable". How far do you go to please everyone who is watching for the first time? I agree as the show was staged in London it was a very white cast considering white people make up 48 percent of the capital but that was the talent they cast and that lies with the producers. There are dozens of other shows were BAME talent represents 90 percent. What next? A black Blood Brothers? That's not racist, that's just historically correct that it should be a white cast in the same way Dreamgirls or Mowtown should be about African Americans. I'm not being nasty, I'm just being factually correct, Are you suggesting there were no black people in 1960s Liverpool? Where in that story is race ever mentioned? Dreamgirls and Motown are stories driven by racial issues, from the perspective of black people. How far do you go to please everyone watching for the first time? Well if you're producing Cinderella, you find some talented BAME actors for your mix. And I don't believe this 'the cast were the most talented people who auditioned' nonsense. Try harder.
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Post by johartuk on Jan 12, 2017 16:29:10 GMT
Can this discussion please be given its own thread? That way everyone who wishes to discuss the subject can, without derailing other threads (as is happening here).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 16:47:29 GMT
Can this discussion please be given its own thread? That way everyone who wishes to discuss the subject can, without derailing other threads (as is happening here). There is a diversity thread in the general chat
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 10:28:13 GMT
Just read in The Stage newspaper that Whoopi Goldberg was the original fairy before negotiations fell through as she realised she needed to be with her family at Christmas!!
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 14, 2017 10:45:52 GMT
Oh. My. Goodness! Now wouldn't THAT have been The Perfect Panto? ( @burlybear that was rhetorical, no answer necessary! ) Edit: tried to tag using instructions on FAQs - I is flummoxed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:02:20 GMT
Really? Makes you wonder what went through the Casting Director's mind when they thought that clearly the natural replacement for Oscar winning Superstar Whoopi Goldberg was.... err, Amanda Holden.....
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Post by wickedgrin on Jan 14, 2017 11:06:22 GMT
Desperation?
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 14, 2017 12:44:37 GMT
Availability?
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Post by Michael on Jan 14, 2017 13:29:01 GMT
Edit: tried to tag using instructions on FAQs - I is flummoxed. BB's user name is admin, he has only chosen BurlyBear as display name. If you tagged him as "@" + "admin", it'll work: BurlyBeaR
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 14:48:12 GMT
Really? Makes you wonder what went through the Casting Director's mind when they thought that clearly the natural replacement for Oscar winning Superstar Whoopi Goldberg was.... err, Amanda Holden..... Much like this, I always wondered why when thinking up people in a position to 'judge talent' you think... Ah, Amanda Holden!
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 14, 2017 15:27:38 GMT
Michael Muchisimas gracias Ooooh! It works!
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Post by carmella1 on Jan 14, 2017 19:27:43 GMT
That would have been a totally different panto then. Where innuendo, subtility and class was used in the current show, with Whoopi it would have been curses and anything but class. You can't have it both ways. Just a shame they could not have come to a happy medium (no pun intended) with someone else. I found Amanda Holden by far the weak link in the cast. She was not even funny in the If I was not in pantomime bit. Stiff wooden and in a dressing gown. How she got a new show is beyond me.
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Post by westendwendy on Jan 15, 2017 6:45:30 GMT
Sadly Amanda Holden is a major talent and a brand now having made her way from Les Dennis and the odd TV sitcom and drama to become one of the main faces of ITV. Sadly talent doesn't have a lot to do with it and luck does. I've seen much better amateurs!! She also is represented by the top agent in the business James Grant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:18:21 GMT
I'm stunned people are calling Amanda the weakest in the cast when there was definately one person infintely worse than her... Count Arthur Strong was god awful! No laughs whatsover, awkward looks around the theatre when none of his jokes landed, the only cast member who got no cheers at the end. And a fair few people around me at interval asking their neighbor "who is he?!".
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Post by Jon on Jan 15, 2017 15:21:45 GMT
I'm stunned people are calling Amanda the weakest in the cast when there was definately one person infintely worse thn her... Count Arthur Strong was god awful! No laughs whatsover, awkward looks around the theatre when none of his jokes landed, the only cast member who got no cheers at the end. And a fair few people around me at interval asking their neighbor "who is he?!". Count Arthur Strong is funny but he's not mainstream enough for a panto audience.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 15, 2017 15:22:51 GMT
You're right danieljohnson14 but he was hardly on stage (mercifully) and she was. Also, these comments stem from the news that Whoopi Goldberg was the first choice and Amanda just seemed an odd replacement. But you're right! Also (and I said as much in my review) Amanda definitely had pockets of fans in the audience, whatever the majority of this board (myself included) may think of Her Royal Plasticness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:23:37 GMT
I'm stunned people are calling Amanda the weakest in the cast when there was definately one person infintely worse thn her... Count Arthur Strong was god awful! No laughs whatsover, awkward looks around the theatre when none of his jokes landed, the only cast member who got no cheers at the end. And a fair few people around me at interval asking their neighbor "who is he?!". Count Arthur Strong is funny but he's not mainstream enough for a panto audience. Exactly, he shoudn't of been there.
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