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Post by andrew on Apr 7, 2016 19:47:51 GMT
They need a special show where they can tag each other in at random moments That would be amazing for the 10th anniversary with all the previous leads! They would make a lot of money just doing a show where various people come on and perform the Defying Gravity sequence, take a bow, and let the next one do it again.
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Post by welsh_tenor on Apr 7, 2016 19:50:09 GMT
That would be amazing for the 10th anniversary with all the previous leads! They would make a lot of money just doing a show where various people come on and perform the Defying Gravity sequence, take a bow, and let the next one do it again. Andrew for President - that would be like the best thing ever!
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Post by Michael on Apr 8, 2016 3:47:34 GMT
If they really were doing this (God, I hope they don't as it is so unimaginative), they should either choose Wizard and I or No Good Deed, which are much superior songs. Not that Defying Gravity is a bad song, but there are quite a few even stronger in the show, including What is this feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 6:21:14 GMT
Hello guys, I just wanted to discuss a matter about the show which a friend brought up to me, which I disagree on, but would like to hear other people's opinions. A friend of mine has said that he feels the song "One Short Day" and the scene itself is essentially pointless to the show and doesn't add anything to the story and is really just "filler". Now, I do admit it's not the most important song in the show but I don't think it's empty calories either, I feel that "One Short Day" is a kind of weird showcase for the Wizard and the Emerald City, saying "look how wonderful we are, look how perfect everything is here" and I feel come Act 2 when we contrast this to the citizens in "Thank Goodness" and "March of the Witch Hunters" it serves as an important reminder of who these people were, and who they are now and how the Wizard has such an influence over them. Aside from the story progression aspect, I actually love "One Short Day" for the fun and frolic of it all, the music is really upbeat and strong, the lighting is gorgeous and the ensemble costumes are to die for! So, what do you guys think?
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Post by infofreako on Apr 8, 2016 6:47:42 GMT
I agree it is a valuable song in there in terms of showing oz in all its glory
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Post by Negamuse on Apr 8, 2016 11:05:56 GMT
Apart from the first time I saw it where I didn't really know what was going on I did think that, until I realised it was the part of me that knew that the climax of Act I was coming up. Once I realised that, I enjoyed it more and really - OK it doesn't advance the plot explicitly but it's a fantastic, energetic ensemble song. Plus there needs to be something there, you need to see Oz through Elphaba's eyes and all the hope and wonder that she had, not to mention the sowing of the seed that there are places in the world where she could possibly fit in or at least not be so visible in the wrong way. You need that contrast with when she feels the depth of the Wizard's betrayal.
She goes to Oz to find the wizard, but ultimately she finds herself, and the impetus for all of that is slap bang in the middle of One Short Day
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Post by CBP1 on Apr 8, 2016 19:56:46 GMT
I think it's necessary. Particularly if you see Wicked as sitting together with The Wizard of Oz. It's the Wicked equivalent of The Merry Old Land of Oz. But yes, I could lose Wizomania.
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2016 21:03:59 GMT
There's definitely a need for a "We are now in the Emerald City" song, and it would be strange not to have an ensemble song at around that point in the show, flicking through the songs list. Instead of the Wizomania bit it would've been nice if the witches did something that somewhat showed their friendship becoming more solid. Bearing in mind all the stuff that happens in the second act, I've always felt there isn't much after they 'make up' in Dancing Through Life to suggest that they actually were the best of friends. Popular is really all there is.
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Post by isabel on Apr 9, 2016 9:20:32 GMT
Natalie M making her Nessa debut today
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Post by tommy123 on Apr 9, 2016 21:19:09 GMT
After tonight's BGT can I wish Beau Dermott as Elphaba in a few years time?!
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Post by theatre-turtle on Apr 9, 2016 22:07:21 GMT
Great publicity for Wicked tonight - Beau Dermott was better than many Elphabas.
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Post by johartuk on Apr 10, 2016 10:38:14 GMT
I really wasn't impressed by her. She seemed affected and unnatural in both her vocals and her movements. My impression was that she had spent several months watching a vid of one of the West End Elphabas and had slavishly copied every vocal inflection, every physical mannerism and every facial expression.
It would have been interesting to see Beau sing as Beau instead of what we did see - an impression of an adult playing Elphaba.
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Post by Michael on Apr 10, 2016 10:47:01 GMT
After tonight's BGT can I wish Beau Dermott as Elphaba in a few years time?! I firstly had to Google what BGT actually stands for. Found the video finally on Youtube and watched it. I really wasn't impressed by her. She seemed affected and unnatural in both her vocals and her movements. This. Affected and unnatural were the words that immediately sprung to my mind (well, actually their German equivalents).
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Post by daniel on Apr 10, 2016 11:00:59 GMT
I just watched the clip and I have to say I was actually really impressed. Yes there's room for improvement in her vocals and movements but at the end of the day she's 12...it's obviously one of her favourite songs to sing and in my eyes, if she is basing her performance on an adult Elphaba's then what's the harm done? If watching the show/clips on YouTube has helped inspire her to get up on a stage and sing in front of a nation, then I think that's far more important than if her movements and phrasing are too similar to a professional West End performer.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Apr 10, 2016 12:01:02 GMT
Here's the clip for those that CBA to find it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 12:05:01 GMT
Oooo not a fan at all of her at all
It's a bit too "I'm trying to be the definition of Musical Theatre" for my taste.
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Post by isabel on Apr 10, 2016 12:10:12 GMT
Oh come on... she's 12 years old. Not sure what people expect from her !
Do we know when tickets for the 10th anniversary will be released ?
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 10, 2016 12:19:16 GMT
She's 12!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on!!!!!!!! When you're 12 and obsessed with Wicked or MT in general then sitting and watching clips of your favourite performances and trying to emulate them is EXACTLY what you do!!!! She has an INCREDIBLE voice for a 12 year old. With some nurturing, she'll find her own voice (and then people will probably complain that they prefered her voice when she was 12 ) but to be at that stage at her age is pretty great. And fantastic to know that a whole new generation of MT crazies are just out there waiting to be found.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 12:22:05 GMT
It's a shame some of the other kids from BGT have never gone down the musical theatre route, because some of them were fantastic. I know one of the original Fletcher's in The Bodyguard did BGT but they get some insane talent through their doors! I'm not trying to say she is bad at all, very much so she is good. She's just not my cup of tea.
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Post by tommy123 on Apr 10, 2016 12:30:34 GMT
Someone on the Innuendo and Outuendo forums said two current cast members are auditioning for standby Elphaba. I assume this is Natalie McQueen and Laura but I'm kind of hoping that Katie Rowley Jones may be going for it...she's been an Elphaba understudy before and would be nice to see her not as Nessarose! Thoughts?
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Post by isabel on Apr 10, 2016 12:34:37 GMT
Someone on the Innuendo and Outuendo forums said two current cast members are auditioning for standby Elphaba. I assume this is Natalie McQueen and Laura but I'm kind of hoping that Katie Rowley Jones may be going for it...she's been an Elphaba understudy before and would be nice to see her not as Nessarose! Thoughts? For an awful moment I thought u were gonna say auditioning for principle Elphaba ( standby is fine, just as long as we are blessed with a completely new principle Elphaba)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 12:36:32 GMT
I hope Laura gets it because she is a really impressive Elphaba and totally deserves more shows.
I'm sorry to dash your dreams, but the sooner Katie gets out of this show the better. She is great as Nessa but is way too old to play that role anymore and just looks bored of it. From what I have heard of Elphaba, there is nothing particularly exciting about her portrayal in the songs either. I think she will want to leave at next cast change.
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Post by isabel on Apr 10, 2016 12:53:31 GMT
We need a (brand new) - Elphaba, Glinda, Nessa and Boq. - i'm not asking for much, am i ?! hahah.
Reality is knowing Wicked this prob won't happen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 12:56:18 GMT
I'm still pissed they never had Marc McBride as full time Boq. He was my all time favourite Boq, I went twice in one week just to go back and see him.
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Post by Michael on Apr 10, 2016 13:23:48 GMT
Someone on the Innuendo and Outuendo forums said two current cast members are auditioning for standby Elphaba. I assume this is Natalie McQueen and Laura but I'm kind of hoping that Katie Rowley Jones may be going for it...she's been an Elphaba understudy before and would be nice to see her not as Nessarose! Thoughts? I've never seen Katie as Elphaba and would be interested in seeing her take on the role, but I really think she's been with the show way too long and should have left two years ago. I've seen Natalie M a couple of times as Elphaba (when Natalie A was scheduled to be on but called in sick on short notice) and didn't particularly like her, so I do hope it's not her. As I've never seen Laura Emmitt go green but heard nothing but praises from you guys, I wouldn't object to her being bumped up to standby Elphaba. I'd evem fly over to London specifically to see her - as I'm doing right now to see Natalie A
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Post by welsh_tenor on Apr 10, 2016 13:58:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure Katie only ever had one Elphaba show... There was a Defying Gravity video out there but I could only find No Good Deed...
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Post by johartuk on Apr 10, 2016 15:36:14 GMT
I just watched the clip and I have to say I was actually really impressed. Yes there's room for improvement in her vocals and movements but at the end of the day she's 12...it's obviously one of her favourite songs to sing and in my eyes, if she is basing her performance on an adult Elphaba's then what's the harm done? If watching the show/clips on YouTube has helped inspire her to get up on a stage and sing in front of a nation, then I think that's far more important than if her movements and phrasing are too similar to a professional West End performer. She isn't basing her performance on someone, though - she's slavishly copying, to the point where it's completely unnatural and stilted. It made me feel uncomfortable, because it felt forced, which made me wonder about her reasons for auditioning. Unfortunately, TV talent shows bring the 'Mama Rose' types out of the woodwork, pushing their little darlings to audition. Hollie Steele is one example that springs to mind - clearly not comfortable and ended up having a melt-down during her BGT semi-final (which millions of viewers witnessed because it was on live TV) when she forgot the lyrics to her song. Why anyone would allow their child to audition for BGT is beyond me. I always think it's a case of fame-seeking parents or parents who indulge their child and are incapable of saying 'no'! I can think of far better ways of encouraging a love of performing - getting involved with school productions (many adult performers mention 'getting the bug' from doing drama classes at school and performing in school productions), actually going to the theatre to see productions, watching musicals on TV/film, and going down the stage school/college route.
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Post by talkstageytome on Apr 10, 2016 17:32:18 GMT
I have to agree with Johartuk, at least on the second part. Performing with youth theatre groups if brilliantly fun, you feel part of a community, can give you a taste of what professional performing is like (not all groups, but some), and are designed around children. Plus they often offer lots of opportunities to get involved with/audition for professional experiences.
These talent show things are often scripted, the kids (and adults) are put under immense pressure and at the end of the day only one person can win.
I hate seeing kids going on these shows, getting idolised, getting used to the fame/treatment and then being heartbroken when they have to go home. Being voted out is a form of public humiliation which is horrible for anyone.
If your child is talented then there are plenty of ways to make sure they get training and exposure without making them/allowing them to appear on a national talent search show.
(People on a facebook theatre fanpage have been clamouring for her to be in Wicked 'when she's old enough', which is laughable because a) we don't know if wicked will be running in 12+ years, b) it insinuates that Wicked is the be all and end all of musicals. )
I think this girl is very talented which is wonderful, but I don't see the rush to find fame as a child singer. She should continue with training and try to find a legitimate route into musical theatre if that's what she wants to do.
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Post by musicallady on Apr 10, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
Oooo not a fan at all of her at all
It's a bit too "I'm trying to be the definition of Musical Theatre" for my taste. Didn't like her either. To polished and pushed by her parents.
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Apr 10, 2016 20:33:18 GMT
She could damage her voice too, singing songs intended for adults with years of training
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