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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:12:06 GMT
Its the flippant attitude from 'Brenda' as seen in that video, and from others posting here, that get me. "oooh politics, its too political for me." Have an opinion. Give a sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:23:03 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:31:38 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life.
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Post by The Matthew on Apr 18, 2017 13:33:52 GMT
People always talk about getting younger generations more invested in politics, but I find it so hard to engage when it still feels like my vote won't change anything. I can't claim to be young any more but I do find that I'm often overwhelmed with a feeling of futility when it comes to politics. Part of that is down to the sheer inertia of the voting public. I remember when I was at school we had a mock election to coincide with a real one so that the pupils could get to know a little about the voting process. This was a good Conservative school, at which I felt like something of a misfit. The Conservative candidate was easily the weakest of all of them and was routinely bested in every debate. Or perhaps he was the most politically aware of all of them and knew that he didn't have to try, because most people politely listened to all the speeches and then went out and voted exactly the way they'd always intended to vote. And it's no different as adults. There are far too many people who couldn't care less about the policies. They know which party they support, and that's all they need to know. And part of it's down to the undue influence of the press and the staggering amount of misleading and outright falsified news it presents. The Express and the Mail are the worst offenders, of course, and at this point are basically works of fiction. What's the point of caring about politics when newspaper editors are in a position of One Man, One Million Votes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:33:55 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. I apologise, I should of said "whilst we have the chance".
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Post by CG on the loose on Apr 18, 2017 13:42:41 GMT
Does anyone else also get that moment of panic when they put the ballot in the box that they've somehow voted for UKIP or something by mistake? YES! Always.
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Post by hulmeman on Apr 18, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
'er apart from the fact that many times recently, Daisy May said she wasn't going for a snap election, didn't she tell that nice lady in Brigadoon she couldn't have an independence vote whilst Brexit was going on?
Double standards, but at least I brought things back to musical theatre.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
Oh I have an opinion, don't get me wrong. I think we should just quit whilst we are ahead. With all the world politics going on at the moment, we really would be better off just having a big send off and starting fresh with a new world. ... sidenote on the whole dying young thing, can ya'll get Louise Dearman, Rachel Tucker and Marisha Wallace to sing at my funeral please. We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:17:31 GMT
Someone just give me the brief description, I don't follow politics and I fon't wanna read three pages worth haha. Another election though?! What are we voting for this time?! It feels like all we do these days is vote!! And this is why we got Brexit, folks. ;-) OK so I'm just teasing danieljohnson14, and I know he's kidding too - but for a lot of young (and not so young) people this will be the way they really think. And who can blame them?! You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:31:43 GMT
And this is why we got Brexit, folks. ;-) OK so I'm just teasing danieljohnson14, and I know he's kidding too - but for a lot of young (and not so young) people this will be the way they really think. And who can blame them?! You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 14:35:56 GMT
You should remove the "I'm only just teasing".
How can anyone proudly admit that they don't follow politics and don't understand what is happening when the Prime Minister announces a snap election?
Don't they pay taxes? Don't they work? Aren't their lives affected by the issues discussed in Parliament?
They have a responsibility to follow politics.
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude. I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:54:27 GMT
Hold up, hold up... I didn't proudly admit I don't follow politics, I just said I don't follow politics. I don't feel the need to admit it, I just don't have an interest in it, for me personally. And with this particular announcement, I didn't hear about it until just bdfore I posted it, when I saw the topic of the board, I didn't watch the news or read about it. But I understand fully the importance of it. If it is that big a deal, educate me then, rather than criticise me, because I have 't criticised you at all, and you're just being rude. I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:01:28 GMT
We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Uh - we haven't left the European Union yet so who knows what will happen. We're not post-Brexit.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:07:14 GMT
I'm not being rude, I'm being honest.
If you're above the age of voting you have a responsibility to follow politics. The franchise wasn't widened by kindness but through the blood, sweat and tears of people...
You do not need anyone but yourself to "educate" you. I'd start by downloading political podcasts on the BBC (This week at Westminster) and buying a newspaper everyday.
It is your responsibility.
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it. Things done to "attract young people" only results in things being dumbed down. Politics is complicated because life is complicated but it is your responsibility to understand, as far as possible, political issues as you're an adult.
If you, for example, vote Labour, Conservative, UKIP or Green: I don't care. That is your democratic right but something which should be based upon an adult understanding of issues and your interpretation of events and your opinion as to who is providing the best solutions.
As I said, it's not the duty of people to make politics easy but your responsibility to understand politics.
There are people out there who regret the widening of the franchise, don't dive them ammunition.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Uh - we haven't left the European Union yet so who knows what will happen. We're not post-Brexit. I hope you will also copy and paste that to put under any post claiming that us exiting the EU will be a disaster.
However, it is fact that the post referendum apocalypse predicted by many never materialised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:09:21 GMT
We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:13:33 GMT
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it. Things done to "attract young people" only results in things being dumbed down. Politics is complicated because life is complicated but it is your responsibility to understand, as far as possible, political issues as you're an adult.
If you, for example, vote Labour, Conservative, UKIP or Green: I don't care. That is your democratic right but something which should be based upon an adult understanding of issues and your interpretation of events and your opinion as to who is providing the best solutions.
As I said, it's not the duty of people to make politics easy but your responsibility to understand politics.
There are people out there who regret the widening of the franchise, don't dive them ammunition.
I completely understand and respect where you are coming from, but speaking for me personally, i just do not have the brain capacity for politics, the ins and outs of things. The main things i know about politics are what is reported in mainstream news. So I am not completely unaware, and I make sure, going into the voting, I know exactly what I am voting for and have done a few times. But I could not tell you anything about finance, I could not explain what it means when the pound goes down and the euro rises or whatever it is... ... but I can tell you some of our politicians could do with a good blow dry and some botox. *I'm joking with that last part. Well, not joking, but in the sense of I am only saying it now to lighten the mood and to not bore anyone reading this haha. I completely respect whst you are saying though, so plesse don't read this as a criticism of what you are telling me, it is nothing against you personally!
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing. In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:21:59 GMT
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing. In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe. Do you think Europe is in a position to completely shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:29:48 GMT
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe. Do you think Europe is in a position to complete shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:42:09 GMT
Do you think Europe is in a position to complete shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership. Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:45:56 GMT
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership. Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
No - I don't think newspapers are particularly respected anymore. The old days of the newspaper of record have long gone.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:49:11 GMT
Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
No - I don't think newspapers are particularly respected anymore. The old days of the newspaper of record have long gone. I agree that Newspapers are not held in the same esteem as previous generations (and we'll probably see many close within the next decade) however, The Times - for whatever it is worth in 2017 - is still amongst the most respected Newspapers in the World.
It is also more of a source of record than any other in the UK and, needless to say, social media.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:50:20 GMT
For source of record the BBC has long since left it behind, for investigative reporting the Guardian has had it in the shade for years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:56:51 GMT
If I ever need a news story, I go straight to the BBC website, as that is brilliant at updating news as it happens! Newpapers have slowly been declining in circulation since the internet, now they are more just something to read to pass the time on the tube for alot of people.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 16:32:26 GMT
For source of record the BBC has long since left it behind. The BBC is nothing but a left wing mouthpiece which has been exposed far too often for spinning political stories to suit their agenda when they are meant to simply say what has happened and remained impartial. They are no better than Sky News.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 18, 2017 16:44:13 GMT
What gets me out the door to vote is often the thought that people fought and died for this right many years ago. Especially as a woman I wonder what would Emmeline Pankhurst and the like think of modern women who can't be arsed to go out and exercise the right those women had to fight for so bitterly? That said, there's a regional election happening here in May which is pretty much pointless since the Ruhrgebiet dimwits will keep voting for the social democrats (= German Labour) no matter how awful they have been in governing this mess of a state. Still, I'll be out there, casting my vote, BECAUSE I CAN. And frankly, your people in charge suddenly make me think that I'll be able to get through four more years of Merkel and her glum face after all... OK, so I'm an American and I feel much the same way as in your first paragraph. My family came here from China (late 1800s and the 1950s) and I feel that so much of that struggle -- through racism, poverty, oppression, etc -- is just a waste if I don't at least go vote. And make it an educated vote at that. And please, if you are apathetic about politics, please stop being so. It's not a spectator sport. I want to say I'm galled by Daniel's attitude in here, but I'm more like glum and disappointed because I know many people in my age range (not sure what yours is; mine is late 30s) who have felt the same way and are now getting a crash course in what happens when complacency reigns. I never thought I'd see the day where I had to be -- at a baseline -- worried about what the president will do on any given day. I miss the days where I could just happily go a few days without even thinking about what he might be doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:05:32 GMT
I really didn't mean to upset or offend anyone by what I was saying, but it is just how I feel and I know a fair few of my generation feel too. I'm sorry.
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Post by Steffi on Apr 18, 2017 17:21:03 GMT
I don't think anyone is offended. It's more a case of being worried because the country (any country, really) needs a politically educated and interested young generation.
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