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Post by michalnowicki on Jul 25, 2017 8:02:31 GMT
Thanks for sharing this! I'm studying Computing and IT and I often wonder about the connection between technology and theatre/art.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 8:26:46 GMT
As I predicted it was heightened security for a fortnight sharply tapered off to back how it used to be. Let people relax and resume and this **** will occur again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:20:03 GMT
Exactly Monkey- I don't understand the mentality of living in a constant heightened and worried state. That does indeed mean they win. Of course our security and security services should constantly evolve, but as the Police, and broader emergency services have that should be in a way that the wider public aren't generally aware.
I'm always happy to have some more bag checks and security staff at a time or place there is a direct threat, but it's a waste of resources being in that state constantly, not to mention not being good for anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 16:35:44 GMT
Except that if we don't relax and resume, they win because they have forced us to go about our lives in fear of them. Yes, we need to stay vigilant, but in the way London Transport are now vigilant. Post 7/7 the security is there, but we don't see it. And it works, as that boy who built a home-made device found out. By all means make a show when we need to and risk is highest, but otherwise, sorry, remark, I don't agree at all. Maybe I didn't transcribe my point effectively. I agree with what your saying. Im not in any way referring to how our reactions are perceived by the perpetrators or the people who want us to be in a state of 'fear'. Sod that lot! I'm talking about this side. Tightening security for a select amount of time and then letting go. Its a knee jerk reaction typical of todays society. Its immediately reacting and putting resources and policies in place, to then relax and forget about them, making (in my opinion) the initial reaction of vigilance a completely empty gesture. Move on to the next subject we're told to be concerned about. You make a good point in referencing London Transport and the 7/7 attacks. The response was long term and effective. It seems invisible but service users are - to an extent - safer. Whereas with this situation, we had an immediate response that was tapered off and now, personally I believe, we are not any safer. Was the only point in assigning extra resources to more security running bag checks and cordoned lines etc to make us feel safer for a few weeks? Relaxing these measures doesn't make us any safer now, we're just as much at risk as before, but just numb to the issue because we were made to feel safer for a short amount of time. As I perceive it, it means we've learnt nothing from this experience and as result thats a point to the enemy.
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Post by michalnowicki on Jul 27, 2017 10:19:24 GMT
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 27, 2017 10:55:23 GMT
And that's just for the "reviews for pay" riots!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 15:13:13 GMT
Went to Hamlet (Andrew Scott) on 29th July - no bag search. Meanwhile at the RSC yesterday; bag search both prior to performance and returning after interval. (Ant & Cleo in case anyone wondering)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 15:39:59 GMT
RSC weren't doing bag searches when a lot of other venues were prior to May time incidents so looks like they have gone from one extreme to another.
I've known one ATG venue to do them and not another so policy doesn't seem to be uniform.
When they don't allow bags of a certain size in I wonder if any ladies with large handbags have had issues.
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Post by CG on the loose on Aug 13, 2017 15:54:37 GMT
When commuting to London I usually have a handbag plus a backpack with laptop, cables and general work 'stuff'. When I'm going to the theatre after work, I've taken to squeezing everything, including (admittedly minimal) overnight stuff when required, into the handbag (a fairly large Kipling bag) to try and avoid any issues - and so far, so good. It's been searched routinely - most diligently at Door 6 of the RAH a prom or two back - but mostly if I approach with bag held wide open and obscuring scarf removed in advance, I'm waved through with barely a glance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 19:17:09 GMT
I've had a quick search of my bag at every West End theatre I've been to recently. Managed to sneak a bacon butty into Bat Out of Hell by clutching it under my coat which I had draped over my arm too (surprised the smell didn't give me away, equally surprised I found a quiet enough corner to eat it in before taking my seat)! I just approach most theatres with my bag open and ready to go these days.
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Post by peggs on Aug 14, 2017 11:41:39 GMT
I diligently measured my bag to get into the national and Barbican recently but noticed lots of other people with much larger bags getting in after a torch shine and bag feel up. Was at a festival last week and every bag had to be pink tagged and identified with owner and mobile for security reasons although they didn't actually check them, a lot of people tagged their dogs just in case as well!
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 14, 2017 11:57:55 GMT
Was at a festival last week and every bag had to be pink tagged and identified with owner and mobile for security reasons although they didn't actually check them, a lot of people tagged their dogs just in case as well! Was it very near to a Civil War battlefield? Our security issues are trivial in that context.
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Post by peggs on Aug 14, 2017 12:00:15 GMT
Was at a festival last week and every bag had to be pink tagged and identified with owner and mobile for security reasons although they didn't actually check them, a lot of people tagged their dogs just in case as well! Was it very near to a Civil War battlefield? Our security issues are trivial in that context. It was indeed, I didn't miss you there did I?
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 14, 2017 12:03:00 GMT
It was indeed, I didn't miss you there did I? No, I was wondering last week whether you were there again. By the time I was seriously considering going, it was completely sold out!
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Post by maggiem on Aug 14, 2017 15:12:42 GMT
Also the fact that most proms are broadcast - if something happened in front of the cameras, it doesn't bear thinking about, however quickly they can cut away. All of the proms are broadcast on BBC radio 3. If something happened on air it would be just as bad.
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Post by maggiem on Aug 14, 2017 15:16:06 GMT
Went to Hamlet (Andrew Scott) on 29th July - no bag search. Meanwhile at the RSC yesterday; bag search both prior to performance and returning after interval. (Ant & Cleo in case anyone wondering) I was at the matinee of Ant & Cleo on Saturday. It's a while since I've been to SUA (cinema broadcasts a so much cheaper) and it was a surprise to be bag-searched. Sad times....
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Post by peggs on Aug 14, 2017 15:32:36 GMT
It was indeed, I didn't miss you there did I? No, I was wondering last week whether you were there again. By the time I was seriously considering going, it was completely sold out! Yes it was rather packed out, you missed a good one, downpours stopped Wednesday and then mostly sunny. Think of the fun I could have had, beer in hand, staring at everyone and wondering if one of them was you! I trust you would have worn a funny hat.
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Post by bellboard27 on Aug 14, 2017 17:26:27 GMT
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Post by d'James on Aug 14, 2017 17:32:31 GMT
Anything too juicy/runny I guess. I don't like bananas but they don't smell too much.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 14, 2017 19:57:26 GMT
Oranges, the smell travels a long, long way. Apples, they're too noisy. What fruit is odourless and non-noisy?
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Post by The Matthew on Aug 14, 2017 20:09:38 GMT
What fruit is odourless and non-noisy? Grapes. Gooseberries. Blackcurrants and redcurrants. Cherries would be good but inevitably lead to competitive spitting. Plums can also lead to competitive spitting, rather more noticeably.
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Post by lynette on Aug 14, 2017 21:14:41 GMT
Jelly babies, silent sweets and made with fruit...if you believe the packet.
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Post by Jan on Aug 15, 2017 6:27:09 GMT
Meanwhile at the RSC yesterday; bag search both prior to performance and returning after interval. (Ant & Cleo in case anyone wondering) They were doing that for the RSC run of "The Tempest" at the Barbican this month, too. Personally, I didn't think act 1 was bad enough to justify it, but still... Also a first at the Barbican, they wanted to see tickets again after the interval to let you back in - a first in 40 years of theatregoing.
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Post by Xanderl on Aug 15, 2017 7:51:10 GMT
Also a first at the Barbican, they wanted to see tickets again after the interval to let you back in - a first in 40 years of theatregoing. The Old Vic do this all the time, but seems to be more about stopping people self-upgrading from the circle than security. Agree it's very unusual.
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 19, 2017 12:39:24 GMT
I noticed yesterday that the Lyceum and Prince Edward Theatres (perhaps others too with a large number of children in the audience) have started using sniffer dogs.
They weren't police dogs, though their handlers were dressed to give that impression.
They didn't seem to be doing much sniffing, if I'm honest.
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 19, 2017 14:34:33 GMT
I noticed yesterday that the Lyceum and Prince Edward Theatres (perhaps others too with a large number of children in the audience) have started using sniffer dogs. I'd have expected that the result is hundreds of children petting the dogs and the dogs being too distracted to sniff anything. Ignoring the sniffer aspect of it, theatre dogs at some performances would be a great idea (with dogless performances as well because some people dislike dogs). I know that my interest in seeing something would be raised if the advertising was along the lines of "Come see us! We have dogs!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:32:07 GMT
There were dogs at the Bush Theatre last time I went, just hanging out at the box office while their visually-impaired owners enjoyed the audio described performance. It's not that I didn't enjoy the play, but I do wish I'd stayed outside and watched the dogs instead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:42:06 GMT
I'm curious as to why an audience full of kids might require the use of sniffer dogs. Children don't seem particularly more likely to use drugs or explosives than the (more numerous) adult population.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
We're veering slightly off topic but I figure it's allowed for Dogs...I heard this week we're getting an assistance dog staying for a 'Holiday' with us over Christmas. A lovely lab that works with a young man with Autism usually.
On that note I'm very much in favour of 'dog performances' where audiences can take their pooches...we have theatre for families with their sproglets why can't we have some for dog-children? I feel this would be an enjoyable experience for all.
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Post by partytentdown on Oct 19, 2017 18:56:55 GMT
I'm curious as to why an audience full of kids might require the use of sniffer dogs. Children don't seem particularly more likely to use drugs or explosives than the (more numerous) adult population. Last time I saw the Lion King there were very few kids there. I guess the people who saw the cartoon are now grown ups.
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