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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:32:24 GMT
@abby I get what you mean, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent- I think what I mean is 'in times of increased threat' I'd rather there but upped security etc etc not that we should live in a permenant state of it. I'm definatly one for 'living life as normal' And I don't think I was quite making that car type analogy, I'm the first to tell people 'you're more likely to get run over by a bus than get killed by a terrorist' and I LOATHE people who go 'Oh I won't go to x or y or (in particular) I CAN'T GO THERE I HAVE CHILDREN I MIGHT DIE OF TERRORISM Ok I'm taking the piss a bit. But I was talking in light of the increased measures we were speculating on. As in 'if there's a particular threat I'd rather we all go through this' I certainly don't want that forever-for example some of the airline restrictions introduced post 9/11 are ridiculous and without much bearing on actual threat any more- but they're what we do now. And we shouldn't have to. And on that fitting note I'm going back to holiday browsing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:44:06 GMT
@abby I get what you mean, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent- I think what I mean is 'in times of increased threat' I'd rather there but upped security etc etc not that we should live in a permenant state of it. I'm definatly one for 'living life as normal' And I don't think I was quite making that car type analogy, I'm the first to tell people 'you're more likely to get run over by a bus than get killed by a terrorist' and I LOATHE people who go 'Oh I won't go to x or y or (in particular) I CAN'T GO THERE I HAVE CHILDREN I MIGHT DIE OF TERRORISM Ok I'm taking the piss a bit. But I was talking in light of the increased measures we were speculating on. As in 'if there's a particular threat I'd rather we all go through this' I certainly don't want that forever-for example some of the airline restrictions introduced post 9/11 are ridiculous and without much bearing on actual threat any more- but they're what we do now. And we shouldn't have to. And on that fitting note I'm going back to holiday browsing Ha ha ha! I totally agree with you - exceptional measures for an exceptional threat totes make sense. I just hope the NT aren't going to make a habit of confiscating my bag every time I try to go there for a swift bevvy - summer is all about a white wine on the terrace as far as I'm concerned...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:46:31 GMT
@abby I get what you mean, and I'm inclined to agree to an extent- I think what I mean is 'in times of increased threat' I'd rather there but upped security etc etc not that we should live in a permenant state of it. I'm definatly one for 'living life as normal' And I don't think I was quite making that car type analogy, I'm the first to tell people 'you're more likely to get run over by a bus than get killed by a terrorist' and I LOATHE people who go 'Oh I won't go to x or y or (in particular) I CAN'T GO THERE I HAVE CHILDREN I MIGHT DIE OF TERRORISM Ok I'm taking the piss a bit. But I was talking in light of the increased measures we were speculating on. As in 'if there's a particular threat I'd rather we all go through this' I certainly don't want that forever-for example some of the airline restrictions introduced post 9/11 are ridiculous and without much bearing on actual threat any more- but they're what we do now. And we shouldn't have to. And on that fitting note I'm going back to holiday browsing Ha ha ha! I totally agree with you - exceptional measures for an exceptional threat totes make sense. I just hope the NT aren't going to make a habit of confiscating my bag every time I try to go there for a swift bevvy - summer is all about a white wine on the terrace as far as I'm concerned... Not to mention I rely on their Loos
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jun 23, 2017 15:00:11 GMT
I think it's a bit selfish , at a time of the highest known risk of terrorism, to say that security checks should be abandoned because any incident will probably occur at a time when you aren't present, and so you probably won't be directly affected. Please consider having a thought for the workers at the theatre who probably will be there in the event of terrorist attack, because they're there every day.
It really is unforgivably selfish to want security checks to be put on hold for ten minutes just so as to make it easier for you to pop into a building at high risk without the minor inconvenience of using the cloakroom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:14:18 GMT
I think it's a bit selfish , at a time of the highest known risk of terrorism, to say that security checks should be abandoned because any incident will probably occur at a time when you aren't present, and so you probably won't be directly affected. Please consider having a thought for the workers at the theatre who probably will be there in the event of terrorist attack, because they're there every day. It really is unforgivably selfish to want security checks to be put on hold for ten minutes just so as to make it easier for you to pop into a building at high risk without the minor inconvenience of using the cloakroom. Oh don't be such an arse, that's clearly not what I'm saying. No wonder people give up on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:48:13 GMT
I was wondering when Theatre's would start stopping people taking drinks in. Concert venues - no food and drink but you can film whatever you like. Theatres - no filming but you can take in whatever beverages and food you like within reason.
Some theatres didn't allow alcohol in to be fair especially for popular shows like Mamma Mia where you could get "Hen party" type groups in. Also all soft drinks/water had to be sealed on people weren't filling water bottles with wine etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:58:48 GMT
I think it's a bit selfish , at a time of the highest known risk of terrorism, to say that security checks should be abandoned because any incident will probably occur at a time when you aren't present, and so you probably won't be directly affected. Please consider having a thought for the workers at the theatre who probably will be there in the event of terrorist attack, because they're there every day. It really is unforgivably selfish to want security checks to be put on hold for ten minutes just so as to make it easier for you to pop into a building at high risk without the minor inconvenience of using the cloakroom. Oh don't be such an arse, that's clearly not what I'm saying. No wonder people give up on this board. Indeed. And for my part I work IN a building that's considered a high security threat (for yourself HG you don't need to be a genius to gather which one). So I feel some authority in saying on both sides of the coin: 1. If there's increased threat as there is now, I will go through 10 security points to get to work/the toilet if that is what the professionals involved have deemed neccessary. 2. But once there is no direct threat, just a general sense of 'the world we live in' then frankly I don't want to live under seige as that plays into their hands so a sensible 'level' of security is fine (ie, ID for restricted areas, security presence) 5 days after Manchester happend I can understand the NT and others hiking up security. But we can't exist forever in that state, the object of terrorism being to promote terror and if we all live in that state they've won.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 16:00:10 GMT
I was wondering when Theatre's would start stopping people taking drinks in. Concert venues - no food and drink but you can film whatever you like. Theatres - no filming but you can take in whatever beverages and food you like within reason. Some theatres didn't allow alcohol in to be fair especially for popular shows like Mamma Mia where you could get "Hen party" type groups in. Also all soft drinks/water had to be sealed on people weren't filling water bottles with wine etc. And some theatres pretend they "don't have a liscence for the auditorium" but really just don't want to a) clean up the mess b) encourage the Mama Mia crowd any more than they already are...
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Post by peggs on Jun 23, 2017 17:46:48 GMT
Note the national have decreased their allowed bag size and mine is now too big to make it past the cloakroom. And no I'm not complaining, just quite glad I know in advance so can plan if I'm doing a must run for train don't have time to check bag out again thing.
Coming back borough market last week I felt like I ought to walk through it like I usually would (no reason not to, no more dangerous than anywhere else) and then thought this isn't like when you're faced with a field of cows and feel you must walk through it as it scares you and then immediately thought, statistically I'm still much more likely to get squashed by cows and felt a bit better.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 24, 2017 7:47:18 GMT
Buy a coffee or suchlike from a shop en route if you can, they might be feeling the financial pinch.
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Post by lou105 on Jun 24, 2017 8:40:46 GMT
Note the national have decreased their allowed bag size and mine is now too big to make it past the cloakroom. And no I'm not complaining, just quite glad I know in advance so can plan if I'm doing a must run for train don't have time to check bag out again thing. I'm glad you mentioned this as it prompted me to measure the fairly standard shoulder bags which both I and my friend usually carry, and both come up slightly too big in one dimension. I'd just assumed they'd be OK, so I'm pleased I was prompted to check.
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Post by peggs on Jun 24, 2017 9:19:45 GMT
Note the national have decreased their allowed bag size and mine is now too big to make it past the cloakroom. And no I'm not complaining, just quite glad I know in advance so can plan if I'm doing a must run for train don't have time to check bag out again thing. I'm glad you mentioned this as it prompted me to measure the fairly standard shoulder bags which both I and my friend usually carry, and both come up slightly too big in one dimension. I'd just assumed they'd be OK, so I'm pleased I was prompted to check. Yeah and since I don't know just how precise they are being figured best to downsize if at all possible and then keep an eye out for what bag sizes are allowed in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 14:39:19 GMT
I was once told my bag could make people feel uneasy as it was a rucksack. Imagine if I'd said that about a person!
I can understand the bag checks but why would a terrorist buy a ticket or want to commit a terrorist act in a theatre/concert hall anymore than say a local library/shopping centre/museum etc. They don't have bag checks!
In B'ham they do bag checks at Symphony Hall and can do random bag checks on people walking through the ICC which houses the Symphony Hall but don't often do so. Also B'ham Rep are doing bag checks but building is attached to the library and is often like the ICC a through fare but I've not seen one bag check done on anyone going into library. And you could argue that younger people who are being radicalised could be more likely to use the library or that guy who murdered the MP did his research on the library internet PCs.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 24, 2017 14:42:28 GMT
Very quick glance in my bag at west end live
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Post by n1david on Jun 24, 2017 14:58:53 GMT
Royal Albert Hall very thorough last night with bag searches (larger bags being asked to be emptied) and a wand-down with all metal objects out of pockets. Also ID checks, matching photo ID to ticket name - this was for Kraftwerk where they were worried about touting of tickets.
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Post by lynette on Jun 24, 2017 19:46:54 GMT
RAH somewhat iconic so perhaps higher threat.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 25, 2017 10:56:23 GMT
Bag searches and bags needs to be checked in at Chichester, if Chichester got targeted then you know the country is in trouble.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 30, 2017 17:40:00 GMT
The NT has changed again. Now there are no tapes funnelling people to security. The bag checkers are there but I walked in with my bag without a check. The atmosphere seems more like it used to be.
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Post by n1david on Jun 30, 2017 19:11:46 GMT
The NT has changed again. Now there are no tapes funnelling people to security. The bag checkers are there but I walked in with my bag without a check. The atmosphere seems more like it used to be. Yes, I was waved through tonight with a small bag not being checked. They had no bag checks at the BFI on Tues and Weds this week either. Let's hope that this is a bit of a return to normal (albeit a new normal).
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Post by andrew on Jul 1, 2017 0:59:21 GMT
At the NT the uptick in security happened shortly after the terror threat level went from SEVERE to CRITICAL. It went down again very quickly but the level of security was kept on. I don't disagree with the measures during periods like we've had, but having full scale security at a theatre in the long term seems unsustainable. Even in New York City where there's several public buildings that have airport-style screening 365 days a year they don't typically pay much effort to theatre goers.
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Post by Marwood on Jul 2, 2017 16:01:17 GMT
The queues from Hell to get into the Royal Albert Hall, and a prize ****end has just walked into the stalls for the Woody Allen show that's about to begin carrying a guitar in a case (and I'm sat towards the back of the hall so he's unlikely to be performing) - good grief.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 16:06:50 GMT
Can we not say Bellend on here? I might have to repeatedly type it just for the satisfaction. Bellend. (ETA we can clearly others are just more polite than I am ) ANYWAY Forgot to add earlier this week that the NT staff were charming and effiecent when I was in there (for meetings not a show, so it wasn't busy but still) and it didn't feel pressured or scary at all just sort of 'hey we have to do this' and if you've only a small bag and go in via Kitchen entrance it's really quick. Security guard at the Hampstead was the most thourough I'd come across annoyingly as I had a backpack with my overnight things and my work bag with well work stuff so it took a while. I was going to run over the road and get a sandwich after collecting tickets but couldn't be arsed with that faff again so I bought food there- win for them.
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Post by Marwood on Jul 2, 2017 17:17:50 GMT
Can we not say Bellend on here? I might have to repeatedly type it just for the satisfaction. Bellend. (ETA we can clearly others are just more polite than I am ) ANYWAY Forgot to add earlier this week that the NT staff were charming and effiecent when I was in there (for meetings not a show, so it wasn't busy but still) and it didn't feel pressured or scary at all just sort of 'hey we have to do this' and if you've only a small bag and go in via Kitchen entrance it's really quick. Security guard at the Hampstead was the most thourough I'd come across annoyingly as I had a backpack with my overnight things and my work bag with well work stuff so it took a while. I was going to run over the road and get a sandwich after collecting tickets but couldn't be arsed with that faff again so I bought food there- win for them. Sorry, I redacted Bellend for those of a more sensitive nature - I felt guilty about lowering the tone of this place on the Sabbath...
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Post by SageStageMgr on Jul 3, 2017 17:30:44 GMT
I must be the only poster here that LIKES security checks! I find it reassuring...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 8:04:08 GMT
I felt guilty about lowering the tone of this place on the Sabbath We have another basement that only appears on the Sabbath? This place gets more like Hogwarts every day (and nobody wants Hogwarts on their bellend, I'm sure). Don't wave your want about on the Sabbath
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 11:37:47 GMT
I mean both work to be honest (and if they don't there's a spell for that)
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Post by tmesis on Jul 16, 2017 23:24:42 GMT
I was at tonight's prom and a bit dismayed to see that for the first time there are Waterloo Bridge-style crash barriers at the foot of the steps that lead to the elegant rear entrance to RAH (off Prince Consort Road.) There's even airport security style 'doorframes' to walk through too that look absolutely dire. Hopefully, if they plan something permanent they'll come up with something more aesthetically pleasing. I totally get why this is necessary, and that part is vulnerable because that's where the promenades queue up, but this is so horrible it has to be seen to be believed.
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Post by peggs on Jul 17, 2017 11:26:19 GMT
I was at tonight's prom and a bit dismayed to see that for the first time there are Waterloo Bridge-style crash barriers at the foot of the steps that lead to the elegant rear entrance to RAH (off Prince Consort Road.) There's even airport security style 'doorframes' to walk through too that look absolutely dire. Hopefully, if they plan something permanent they'll come up with something more aesthetically pleasing. I totally get why this is necessary, and that part is vulnerable because that's where the promenades queue up, but this is so horrible it has to be seen to be believed. Yeah there was something in the Saturday papers about it being there specifically for the queues because of the increasing vehicle attacks on pedestrians, did make me wonder where else they might spring up.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jul 24, 2017 14:28:05 GMT
I've just returned from a trip to Washington DC, attending several theatres. None had any security checks. This included going to both the opera house and the theatre in the Kennedy Center. There were plenty of security staff there, but my only interaction with them was offers of help if I looked like I was lost.
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