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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 10:49:43 GMT
Leaving Autumn 2024.
Interesting figures from The Stage article on this news that under his tenure:
"Black and global majority artists have directed more than half and written 48% of all main house shows. The theatre said that off stage, the Young Vic had gone from 11% to 44% black and global majority staff across the organisation and 40% in senior management."
Nothing on the commercial, or indeed artistic, success or otherwise of his tenure which I think has been mixed.
If the YV have any sense they'll appoint Robert Icke to address those two issues.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 8, 2024 11:05:54 GMT
Looking at those stats it appears comparable with the ehtnic minoirty population stats for Lambeth and Southwark. How much of the theatres programming appealed to the community though ?
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Post by nash16 on Feb 8, 2024 11:29:56 GMT
Leaving Autumn 2024. Interesting figures from The Stage article on this news that under his tenure: "Black and global majority artists have directed more than half and written 48% of all main house shows. The theatre said that off stage, the Young Vic had gone from 11% to 44% black and global majority staff across the organisation and 40% in senior management." Nothing on the commercial, or indeed artistic, success or otherwise of his tenure which I think has been mixed. If the YV have any sense they'll appoint Robert Icke to address those two issues. They will not be wanting to hire, of all people, Robert Icke. |
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Post by dr on Feb 8, 2024 12:42:45 GMT
Lynette Linton feels like the most obvious choice, given the huge success of her work at the Bush. She values diversity in the same vein as Armah, but has a much more refined programming taste, so might be able to revive the building a little.
Rachel O'Riordan, currently AD at the Lyric Hammersmith, would also be a sensible guess. She was one of the final three for the NT job, which would give her an edge.
Clint Dyer (or Rufus Norris, but that feels too soon) may also be an option with the entry of Rubasingham at the NT.
Icke, Rupert Goold, Ivo van Hove, Katie Mitchell, Rebecca Frecknall - would also be absolutely brilliant, are technically free, but sadly I don't think the YV is attractive enough for any of them.
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Post by n1david on Feb 8, 2024 12:48:28 GMT
Icke, Rupert Goold, Ivo van Hove, Katie Mitchell, Rebecca Frecknall - would also be absolutely brilliant, are technically free, but sadly I don't think the YV is attractive enough for any of them. Goold isn't free, he's said he's staying at the Almeida. Interesting that he hasn't felt the need to join this round of AD musical chairs. |
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Post by dr on Feb 8, 2024 12:57:34 GMT
He did apply for the NT, though. I suppose that's just down to the calibre of the job, though - the Young Vic isn't quite same!
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Post by Jon on Feb 8, 2024 13:17:28 GMT
Lynette Linton would be an interesting choice and would be a natural progression from the Bush.
Rachel O'Riordan to me is more likely for the Old Vic if Matthew Warchus decides to move on.
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 13:27:35 GMT
Leaving Autumn 2024. Interesting figures from The Stage article on this news that under his tenure: "Black and global majority artists have directed more than half and written 48% of all main house shows. The theatre said that off stage, the Young Vic had gone from 11% to 44% black and global majority staff across the organisation and 40% in senior management." Nothing on the commercial, or indeed artistic, success or otherwise of his tenure which I think has been mixed. If the YV have any sense they'll appoint Robert Icke to address those two issues. They will not be wanting to hire, of all people, Robert Icke. Too talented and successful ? |
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 13:29:58 GMT
He did apply for the NT, though. I suppose that's just down to the calibre of the job, though - the Young Vic isn't quite same! Did he ? He was on record as saying there was no way he’d get it as the NT would surely appoint a woman. I suppose his application was just to put down a marker for the next time the position becomes vacant. |
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Post by dr on Feb 8, 2024 13:39:12 GMT
He did apply for the NT, though. I suppose that's just down to the calibre of the job, though - the Young Vic isn't quite same! Did he ? He was on record as saying there was no way he’d get it as the NT would surely appoint a woman. I suppose his application was just to put down a marker for the next time the position becomes vacant. That's via Alistair Smith, writing in The Stage from 13th December 2023: www.thestage.co.uk/opinion/indhu-rubasingham-will-be-a-fine-choice-for-the-national-theatre-if-given-timeI imagine Goold will simply go freelance after he retires from the Almeida - it'd surely be too late for him at the NT after Rubasingham's run. Shame though - he's arguably the best AD in London at the moment, pumping out talent and hits like nobody else. |
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Post by Jon on Feb 8, 2024 13:42:28 GMT
I think Goold enjoys being at the Almeida so there is no reason for him to move on just yet.
If he does up his own production company, Goold Standard or Going for Goold would be my choices for the name.
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 14:20:26 GMT
Did he ? He was on record as saying there was no way he’d get it as the NT would surely appoint a woman. I suppose his application was just to put down a marker for the next time the position becomes vacant. That's via Alistair Smith, writing in The Stage from 13th December 2023: www.thestage.co.uk/opinion/indhu-rubasingham-will-be-a-fine-choice-for-the-national-theatre-if-given-timeI imagine Goold will simply go freelance after he retires from the Almeida - it'd surely be too late for him at the NT after Rubasingham's run. Shame though - he's arguably the best AD in London at the moment, pumping out talent and hits like nobody else. He’s only 51 and I assume Rubasingham’s contract is only 5 years. There have been one or two ADs recently baling out after 5-6 years rather than extending. I wonder what Norris will do next - he doesn’t strike me as being equipped to set up his own production company, or get much high-profile work as a freelance to be honest. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 8, 2024 14:29:16 GMT
I can see Norris in some advisory or accademic role talking about inclusion and boundaries
He certainly wont make his name in lyric writing.
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Post by imstillhere on Feb 8, 2024 15:14:15 GMT
I think after their tenure at The Bush and after being first choice for The new Royal Court Artistic Director position, if they want it, this is Lynette Linton and Daniel Bailey’s for the taking.
O'Riordan’s taste feels a little too conservative for The Young Vic.
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Post by nash16 on Feb 8, 2024 18:14:52 GMT
They will not be wanting to hire, of all people, Robert Icke. Too talented and successful ? Sadly neither of the above, but I don’t want to drag up what was discussed a couple of years ago about him. |
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 18:21:09 GMT
Too talented and successful ? Sadly neither of the above, but I don’t want to drag up what was discussed a couple of years ago about him. I know. But the likes of Juliet Stephenson and McKellen are plainly happy to work with him. |
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 18:28:01 GMT
I think after their tenure at The Bush and after being first choice for The new Royal Court Artistic Director position, if they want it, this is Lynette Linton and Daniel Bailey’s for the taking. O'Riordan’s taste feels a little too conservative for The Young Vic. Yeah up until very recently I would have agreed but maybe the YV now would be looking for someone a bit more conservative for financial reasons, their recent programming has looked that way - I mean that plain vanilla Pinter revival was quite a surprise. Plus I think it would be a mistake to put purely new play ADs into a venue which is not solely a new play venue - O’Riordan is better suited to the type of programming David Lan succeeded brilliantly with. |
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Post by Jon on Feb 8, 2024 18:45:06 GMT
I think after their tenure at The Bush and after being first choice for The new Royal Court Artistic Director position, if they want it, this is Lynette Linton and Daniel Bailey’s for the taking. O'Riordan’s taste feels a little too conservative for The Young Vic. Yeah up until very recently I would have agreed but maybe the YV now would be looking for someone a bit more conservative for financial reasons, their recent programming has looked that way - I mean that plain vanilla Pinter revival was quite a surprise. Plus I think it would be a mistake to put purely new play ADs into a venue which is not solely a new play venue - O’Riordan is better suited to the type of programming David Lan succeeded brilliantly with. I disagree, I think Lynette Linton would be able to freshen things up and likely have revivals. She directed Blues for an Alabama Sky at the National in 2022 as well as Richard III at the Globe so she's done classics and older plays. Rachel O'Riordan as I mentioned would suit The Old Vic better. |
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2024 19:05:54 GMT
Yeah up until very recently I would have agreed but maybe the YV now would be looking for someone a bit more conservative for financial reasons, their recent programming has looked that way - I mean that plain vanilla Pinter revival was quite a surprise. Plus I think it would be a mistake to put purely new play ADs into a venue which is not solely a new play venue - O’Riordan is better suited to the type of programming David Lan succeeded brilliantly with. I disagree, I think Lynette Linton would be able to freshen things up and likely have revivals. She directed Blues for an Alabama Sky at the National in 2022 as well as Richard III at the Globe so she's done classics and older plays. Rachel O'Riordan as I mentioned would suit The Old Vic better. She’d be a massive risk for the Old Vic, its relative success under Spacey and Warchus disguises the fact that failure was its normal mode of operation until they arrived. I think it needs someone who has lots of experience staging big commercially successful productions or has star power of Spacey’s magnitude. |
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Post by aspieandy on Feb 8, 2024 19:24:44 GMT
Has been quite the financial reality check for ADs who over-estimated real-world appeal of social media wokery: Donmar, Hampstead, Globe, NT in parts, YV ..
Unless he really wanted OT Richmond, perhaps a shame Tom Littler moved when he did.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 8, 2024 20:04:00 GMT
See ya Kwame… won’t miss ya!
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Post by foxa on Feb 8, 2024 20:58:27 GMT
Pre-covid I thought he did a pretty good job and the programming was strong,for example, Twelfth Night, Jesus Hopped the A' Train, Death of a Salesman.They also kept the ticket prices down so that you felt like you could take a punt on something you weren't sure about. I didn't begrudge my visit to see Collaboration for a tenner.
I recently watched the NT at 50 on NT live and at the end of it, if I did my counting right, there was an excerpt from one play by a woman, Alecky Blythe's London Road, and one by a black playwright, Kwame's Elmina's Kitchen. There were THREE excepts from plays by David Hare, which IMO were the lowlights of the evening. Seeing it, it was hard notto think that there were certainly must be more interesting voices out there, so it's worth theatres trying to find those voices - something that I think Lynette Linton has done very well at the Bush. I also thought her direction of Blues for an Alabama Sky at the NT was very good and shows she can handle a big stage. Whether she would want the headache of the Young Vic is another question.
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Post by Jon on Feb 8, 2024 21:15:32 GMT
Pre-covid I thought he did a pretty good job and the programming was strong,for example, Twelfth Night, Jesus Hopped the A' Train, Death of a Salesman.They also kept the ticket prices down so that you felt like you could take a punt on something you weren't sure about. I didn't begrudge my visit to see Collaboration for a tenner. I recently watched the NT at 50 on NT live and at the end of it, if I did my counting right, there was an excerpt from one play by a woman, Alecky Blythe's London Road, and one by a black playwright, Kwame's Elmina's Kitchen. There were THREE excepts from plays by David Hare, which IMO were the lowlights of the evening. Seeing it, it was hard notto think that there were certainly must be more interesting voices out there, so it's worth theatres trying to find those voices - something that I think Lynette Linton has done very well at the Bush. I also thought her direction of Blues for an Alabama Sky at the NT was very good and shows she can handle a big stage. Whether she would want the headache of the Young Vic is another question. Is the Young Vic really a headache compared to other theatres? I think Kwame's tenure has been solid enough, maybe not as strong as David Lan's tenure but he's had plenty of hits. |
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Post by Jan on Feb 9, 2024 7:29:52 GMT
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Post by Jan on Feb 9, 2024 7:35:55 GMT
Has been quite the financial reality check for ADs who over-estimated real-world appeal of social media wokery: Donmar, Hampstead, Globe, NT in parts, YV ..
Unless he really wanted OT Richmond, perhaps a shame Tom Littler moved when he did.
Litter is fine where he is. His next step up as AD would be somewhere like Chichester, not one of these politically-charged inner city venues. |
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 9, 2024 9:06:55 GMT
Good
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Post by chameleon1 on Feb 9, 2024 10:21:09 GMT
'Another new play venue in a very very crowded market' 
Seriously?
There is virtually nowhere for playwrights to get new plays read and produced, these days. Even playwrights with strings of previous successes are giving up and writing for TV instead.
Everywhere is on the edge of financial failure, no-one is prepared to take risks. And so most of what does get produced feels quite conservative, and often a bit dull..
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Post by aspieandy on Feb 9, 2024 10:32:42 GMT
There is virtually nowhere for playwrights to get new plays read and produced, these days. Even playwrights with strings of previous successes are giving up and writing for TV instead.
That's a bit like me giving up with my girlfriend and going off with Mini Driver instead. Streaming has been a gold rush. And that's just for development funding.
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 9, 2024 11:04:28 GMT
No surprise this professional contrarian is saying the opposite of what everyone else is thinking. |
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Post by foxa on Feb 9, 2024 11:22:04 GMT
I always thought of the Young Vic as doing a mix of new writing, revivals and classics, regardless of what it's founding mission was. During (I think) Lan's regime there were very good classic productions like The Glass Menagerie and Faustus, with a mix of American plays and new writing. He was apparently particularly proud of bringing more dance, opera and music to the programming. During the recent leadership there were successful reworked classics like Twelfth Night, Death of a Salesman and the American transferred Oklahoma. I am not sure a theatre could run solely on the brief of classics to young audiences - also something that other theatres like the NT and Orange Tree do as part of their remit.
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