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Sept 2, 2019 20:06:01 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 2, 2019 20:06:01 GMT
I was at the ENO before Christmas and the woman next to me had come up especially early from Kent to take in the Brexit sights. Had her heart set on a photo with that shouty man Mr No Brexit.
Sunday afternoons can be interesting; couples from Cheltenham or somewhere drive up with handmade signs and hover around Parliament Sq holding their sign quietly - I find it a little moving, people exercising their right. Bless them, they don't count on the tourists taking their photo, hundreds and hundreds.
Rather than cycle, when it's like this I tend to take the A3 bus becasue, from the top deck, you can count the media gazebo's on the Green. 14 is my record.
My fav is the little group at the southern end of the Abbey - facing Parliament - with a crate to stand on and detailed leaflets. They are keen to remind us God is a Leaver.
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Sept 2, 2019 21:10:03 GMT
Post by Latecomer on Sept 2, 2019 21:10:03 GMT
Believe our voices were heard during Johnson’s address to the nation and he appeared flustered. On my way home to see if true. Initially wasn’t going to go to Parliament Sq today, once there a last minute collective decision to walk down to Downing Street which now seems inspired if unplanned as we did not know about the address until we had gathered at 5:30. Here’s to College Green tomorrow which could be interesting viewing. Great work....could hear you clearly, even on the BBC(!) and they remarked on it afterwards. Johnson looked flustered and rather rushed.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 3, 2019 15:01:21 GMT
BJ no longer has a working majority
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Sept 3, 2019 15:05:28 GMT
Post by vdcni on Sept 3, 2019 15:05:28 GMT
Phillip Lee defected to the Lib Dems while Johnson was speaking in the HoC!
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Sept 3, 2019 15:44:01 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 3, 2019 15:44:01 GMT
On a basic salary of £77K - he's unwanted by his own constituency party, he's representing another party and he's promenading like a 40-year old single mum on a week in Antalya!
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Sept 3, 2019 15:52:00 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 3, 2019 15:52:00 GMT
Great atmosphere at College Gardens today.
The Yorkies are down complete with a Brass Band keeping everyone entertained.
A week Is supposedly a long time in Politics, think it is down to 24hrs now as this intriguing and evolving situation evolves at breakneck speed.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 3, 2019 16:04:30 GMT
As well as anything else this is great theatre. I remember the days when the only way you could access what was second hand via reports in the press or broadcast media. Finally, via the radio we could hear the proceedings and then, later on television, to see them, it seems unimaginable now that we were once blocked from knowing any of this. I recall clearly Harold MacMillan, then in his nineties, in the Lords eviscerating the economic policy of Margaret Thatcher, being televised.
Thanks also to a system that, whilst being party led, is still to have MPs who are able to think and act for themselves. We would be much diminished by its loss.
Populism and English Nationalism (as were recently mentioned there) are, indeed, a clear and present danger to the union within our country and the one we have with our closest neighbours. The attempt to divide us from those we are kin to, whether within the UK or Germany or wherever, in the face of dark forces that are gathering is a grave danger.
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Sept 3, 2019 17:00:54 GMT
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Post by poster J on Sept 3, 2019 17:00:54 GMT
On a basic salary of £77K - he's unwanted by his own constituency party, he's representing another party and he's promenading like a 40-year old single mum on a week in Antalya! At least he has the courage of his own convictions rather than just becoming a sheep when threatened with de-selection!
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Sept 3, 2019 17:04:38 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Sept 3, 2019 17:04:38 GMT
There is going to be an general election, there is no longer a working government. Boris no longer has a mandate on top of the mandate he didn’t have.
The Liberal Democrat’s will do well and take seats offf the Tories., especially in Scotland and South West.
So if the Tories and the Referendum are going to support each other in not fielding candidates in Brexit supporting seats. Then Labour, Liberal Democrat’s, SNP and Plaid Cymbru should do the same.
And have a straight binary shoot out on crash out without a deal or a second referendum.
At the moment an hour is a long time in politics.
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Sept 3, 2019 17:06:00 GMT
Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 3, 2019 17:06:00 GMT
On a basic salary of £77K - he's unwanted by his own constituency party, he's representing another party and he's promenading like a 40-year old single mum on a week in Antalya! At least he has the courage of his own convictions rather than just becoming a sheep when threatened with de-selection! The worst are those like Hancock who are only interested in their own careers and will suck up to whoever will give them a job.
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Sept 3, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 3, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
On a basic salary of £77K - he's unwanted by his own constituency party, he's representing another party and he's promenading like a 40-year old single mum on a week in Antalya! At least he has the courage of his own convictions rather than just becoming a sheep when threatened with de-selection! His constituency party has voted no confidence in him, he will be deselected at the coming election. At this point all he has to lose is £77K.
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Post by n1david on Sept 3, 2019 18:04:04 GMT
At least he has the courage of his own convictions rather than just becoming a sheep when threatened with de-selection! His constituency party has voted no confidence in him, he will be deselected at the coming election. At this point all he has to lose is £77K. In which case, we can probably assume that he is standing up for what he thinks is best for his constituents and the country, given that he has nothing to gain from his actions?
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Sept 3, 2019 18:11:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 18:11:21 GMT
At least he has the courage of his own convictions rather than just becoming a sheep when threatened with de-selection! His constituency party has voted no confidence in him, he will be deselected at the coming election. At this point all he has to lose is £77K. At which point he could probably fall back onto his Medicine degree, re-start practising full time and earn more than he is currently. I doubt his wages are his priority currently.
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Sept 3, 2019 19:54:44 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 3, 2019 19:54:44 GMT
You appear to be offering career advice in the future tense. Change 'could' for should and we're back in the present.
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Sept 3, 2019 20:28:05 GMT
Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 3, 2019 20:28:05 GMT
I hear that the chair of the lib dem LGBT association has resigned because of Phillip Lee joining the party. Don’t take my word, I’m just repeating internet stuff, but I did check up and saw that he abstained on the gay marriage vote.
He had his sights set on being PM according to some sources. So that didn’t work out so much 🙂
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Sept 3, 2019 20:42:26 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 3, 2019 20:42:26 GMT
You appear to be offering career advice in the future tense. Change 'could' for should and we're back in the present. Eh?
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Sept 3, 2019 22:58:51 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 3, 2019 22:58:51 GMT
Don't mind me I've had a tipple.
Have #stopthecoup leftie/remainers just refused the coup leaders bid for a General Election?
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 4, 2019 0:08:34 GMT
Hold it a minute.....
Thinking about this, the mad chucking out of previously loyal conservative MPs means that there doesn’t even need to be an election. There is now a majority united by their anti no deal views that could hold together for a few months at least, long enough to see through whatever they want to get on the statute books,
In their frantic gameplaying, could it be that the red mist of revenge has condemned Johnson to opposition?
There will be a vote for an article 50 extension tomorrow which will pass. If Johnson loses a VONC after that, then there are fourteen days in which another candidate can prove that they can command a majority. If there have been two votes that have already been won, then that looks pretty plausible. Could Johnson be about to become a Prime Minister forever in the record books as having never won a vote in parliament?
EDIT: Thinking a bit more about this, there are some similarities with the hubris of Salvini in Italy, who collapsed the governing coalition because they thought they’d win the ensuing election. Instead, their coalition partners put together a different coalition and now Salvini is on the sidelines for the foreseeable future.
If the other parties can come to an agreement, they would actually be representing a greater percentage of the electorate than Johnson’s government. As he said, nobody wants an election, so this just follows his own statement. Corbyn would be penned in by not having his own majority, the cabinet could include a range of excellent ministers from various parties and, meanwhile, the conservatives in opposition get eaten up by the Brexit party.
If, if, if....
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Post by d'James on Sept 4, 2019 3:47:20 GMT
On a basic salary of £77K - he's unwanted by his own constituency party, he's representing another party and he's promenading like a 40-year old single mum on a week in Antalya! Sexist much?!
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Sept 4, 2019 6:35:08 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 4, 2019 6:35:08 GMT
Antalya much?!
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Post by olliebean on Sept 4, 2019 6:47:37 GMT
If the other parties can come to an agreement Ay, there's the rub.
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Sept 4, 2019 7:07:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:07:52 GMT
If anyone thinks they're on the beach in Antalya then it's probably your good friend...
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Sept 4, 2019 7:54:42 GMT
Post by Xanderl on Sept 4, 2019 7:54:42 GMT
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Sept 4, 2019 8:33:32 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 4, 2019 8:33:32 GMT
Today, potentially my last day in College Green, it has been an interesting Week and have learnt a lot about the process of British Government.
If we go for an election I think the opposition Parties need to include in their manifesto’s another referendum as Parliament is unable to resolve the issue with at least the following options and give a foundation for us to heal the open wounds generated by the last referendum. - Leave with May’s Deal - Leave without a Deal - Remain in Europe
The wording, implications and statistical gates need to be clearly defined and the result ratified not debated.
The only caveat and there are rumours that the withdrawal Agreement (May’s Deal) will be resurrected and voted for in Parliament and the General Election will be after we have left the EU.
We can still leave on the 31st, will be interesting to see how Johnson handles this, can he now recommend it to his Party, if he refuses he will be seen as the one who stopped us from leaving.
It was mentioned earlier in the Post, who needs Theatre when we have the current Political landscape, feel like I have lived the Henry VI’s over the last week.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 4, 2019 10:19:41 GMT
If anyone thinks they're on the beach in Antalya then it's probably your good friend...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 10:26:57 GMT
If anyone thinks they're on the beach in Antalya then it's probably your good friend... pic pichahaha.
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Post by jadnoop on Sept 4, 2019 16:47:18 GMT
In all honesty, I think it's unfortunate that the photo of JRM is getting so much traction. For now, there's the none-too-subtle message behind the memes, which is arguably a good thing. However, I suspect that this is just preaching to the converted. And pretty soon all that will be left is something that can be framed (to those who don't already know what kind of person he is) as a photo of someone sticking it to those snobs in parliament.
In any case, rather than being 'slumped from not caring', the photo looks (at least to me) like someone trying desperately hard to look carefree. Like that etonian equivalent of the sweaty, awkward & slightly creepy guy at the back of the party silently drinking beers by themselves, who imagines themselves as being some cool, intense & detached Clint Eastwood type.
Anyhow, if you want a picture of Jacob showing his contempt for the nation and parliament, any photo will do. It really doesn't need to be of him slouching like a child.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 4, 2019 17:24:34 GMT
As Harold Wilson said “a week in politics is a long time,” at the moment a day is an eternity.
Could a grand coalition be formed and become the next Her Majestey’s government?
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Sept 4, 2019 17:39:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 17:39:19 GMT
In all honesty, I think it's unfortunate that the photo of JRM is getting so much traction. For now, there's the none-too-subtle message behind the memes, which is arguably a good thing. However, I suspect that this is just preaching to the converted. And pretty soon all that will be left is something that can be framed (to those who don't already know what kind of person he is) as a photo of someone sticking it to those snobs in parliament. In any case, rather than being 'slumped from not caring', the photo looks (at least to me) like someone trying desperately hard to look carefree. Like that etonian equivalent of the sweaty, awkward & slightly creepy guy at the back of the party silently drinking beers by themselves, who imagines themselves as being some cool, intense & detached Clint Eastwood type. Anyhow, if you want a picture of Jacob showing his contempt for the nation and parliament, any photo will do. It really doesn't need to be of him slouching like a child. Oh absolutely agree on this. It's the blithe body language that comes when you always get what you want but things aren't going your way. I, however, am glad it is getting the rounds and some deserved attention. There have been previously semi-viral images from Parliament of dozing Politicians etc, that have gained some traction but nothing in the likes of this. This demonstrates an utterly different attitude and anything that can be done to further sully his reputation, I wholly commend.
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Sept 4, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 4, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
Coalition unlikely, focus is getting the No-Deal Bill through and ratified, House is almost finished, issue the time to discuss the 200 amendments in the Lords, indications is that they will sit all night if required to get it through by Friday.
Definitely will be an election, timing is the question, tonight’s vote for an election will be defeated.
Three scenarios - Agree election after the Bill is on the statute books on Monday and therefore some time in October. - once the Bill has been enacted i.e Johnson gets to put together a Deal by the 17th and if not extend Article 50 to January, this will lead to an election after the 31st Oct and No-Deal exit on the 31st Oct impossible. - A call of no confidence, 2 weeks to find a coalition, if failed election in November per usual timelines. This needs the support of the expelled Tories who will not make Corbyn Prime Minister and Corbyn will not accept anyone else and is why I think a coalition is unlikely.
Another good day in College Green, less Brexiteers than expected even less than Yesterday who you would have thought would mobilise as the Remainers/No-Dealers are now in the driving seat.
Now off to the Theatre/Church to see a leader who rises to power, gets consumed by his actions and meets an unceremonious ending
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