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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2023 10:21:07 GMT
What the press should have done is NOT publicised it, thereby removing their oxygen and not punishing people that may well support them.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 5, 2023 10:33:34 GMT
There are probably some members of this board who are much older that I am and therefore have been attending theatre for much longer and I'm just curious if anyone is aware this sort of thing has happened before?
I can understand a show stopping because of a technical fault, a problem with a set piece or a cast member falling ill however to have to stop a show for this or similar reasons- it's not something that I am consciously aware of?
The only thing I can recall was back home when a contestant was evicted from the Big Brother house in the time he travelled from the house to the studio he (somehow) managed to get hold of some masking tape where, for obvious reasons, he couldn't be interviewed about his time in the house. But something like that pales into insignificance compared with what happened last night!
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 10:36:48 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies. Also worth saying that there are ways of campaigning very effectively without alienating your target demographic, witness Led By Donkeys.
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 10:46:25 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 10:48:53 GMT
Yes, was thinking of exactly that moment. And Cam M’s horror captured on film for all time. He deeserves nothing less. People’s attitudes of “how DARE you ruin my evening out” are… Reading a lot of the reactions on here is actually quite scary. What did he sing in BTTF? “My myopia is my utopia.” Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” We’re screwed. To be fair, this was nothing compared to his own protest at the rehearsals of 'Barnum', as filmed for that C4 documentary. CM joining in last night could have gone something like this: 'Listen, you may want an end to new oil licences and a future for the planet you and your children will inherit, but I want 'Colours of My Life', and I'm supergluing myself to the barricades until I get it!' If you're quoting BTTF, I think "...you're children are gonna love it..." would be more appropriate. JSO is a childish attempt at disruptive anarchy by people with no purpose in life - they're either silly little student kids or retired old has-beens, all of whom think soft protests will make a difference. They look decidly amateur compared to more organised groups. This is while the oil companies tolerate them, because they pose little or no threat other than to sway public opinion against their cause. JSO are the biggest threat to green goals and ambitions - rich-backer funded anarchy. It's Brexit all over again.
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Post by SuttonPeron on Oct 5, 2023 10:55:19 GMT
From all I´ve seen on social media, most industry people who´ve applauded JSO all live in/can easily commute to London and can go to a show whenever they want without having to pay for overpriced hotels and transport. Curious, to say the least!
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 10:57:26 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened. You are absolutely spot on with your evaluation. JSO and their ilk have a permanent presence outside several oil co headquarters - nobody gives a sh*t because they are flaccid little Tarquin and Jemima sorts, or retired pensioners from the home counties. JSO isn't organised in any way or form, it relies on hi-vis tactics (literally) and anybody with an ounce of brain should question the underlying tactics behind JSO - I would argue that their tactics alone have emboldened the current government with the confidence to backtrack on several "progress" initiatives, as it tries to claw back populist votes from frustrated motorists and working class voters who are being hit financially left, right and centre. JSO is funded disruption by people who either choose not to work or don't need to work, and their modus operandi is nothing to do with their core intentions and everything to do with maximising disruption and frustration for the masses. It is a perverse attempt at posturing and power play, and one day it will get seriously out of hand when they misjudge their next big hit and somebody ends up getting hurt. (But of course, that's what they want - it's sociopolitical gladiatorial behaviour, which won't end until there is bloodshed. Rightly or wrongly.)
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 11:02:04 GMT
Thank you for making me laugh. 😂 It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened. You are absolutely spot on with your evaluation. JSO and their ilk have a permanent presence outside several oil co headquarters - nobody gives a sh*t because they are flaccid little Tarquin and Jemima sorts, or retired pensioners from the home counties. JSO isn't organised in any way or form, it relies on hi-vis tactics (literally) and anybody with an ounce of brain should question the underlying tactics behind JSO - I would argue that their tactics alone have emboldened the current government with the confidence to backtrack on several "progress" initiatives, as it tries to claw back populist votes from frustrated motorists and working class voters who are being hit financially left, right and centre. JSO is funded disruption by people who either choose not to work or don't need to work, and their modus operandi is nothing to do with their core intentions and everything to do with maximising disruption and frustration for the masses. It is a perverse attempt at posturing and power play, and one day it will get seriously out of hand when they misjudge their next big hit and somebody ends up getting hurt. (But of course, that's what they want - it's sociopolitical gladiatorial behaviour, which won't end until there is bloodshed. Rightly or wrongly.)
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 5, 2023 11:06:19 GMT
That's objectively very funny 😂
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Post by Alejo on Oct 5, 2023 11:32:12 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives? If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further. It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight. Why, what would you have done? The video shows the situation was dealt with effectively, professionally and proportionately by stage management. Comparing it to 9/11 is a disgrace, and your comments are just bravado on an online forum.
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 11:42:22 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives? If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further. It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight. Why, what would you have done? The video shows the situation was dealt with effectively, professionally and proportionately by stage management. Comparing it to 9/11 is a disgrace, and your comments are just bravado on an online forum. I woudn't call having to cancel a performance "effective" management. I didn't compare to 9/11. I talked about lessons learnt from that regarding the bystander effect.
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Post by christya on Oct 5, 2023 12:06:02 GMT
Every time they pull crap like this, they just help out the next politician who wants to further restrict protests. Front page means nothing when what people are talking about is that they're a bunch of idiots who need to be stopped from doing this sort of thing.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 5, 2023 12:11:56 GMT
Every time they pull crap like this, they just help out the next politician who wants to further restrict protests. Front page means nothing when what people are talking about is that they're a bunch of idiots who need to be stopped from doing this sort of thing. Absolutely this. It’s so tone deaf and inept it feels like a false flag operation. Completely idiotic from JSO.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 5, 2023 13:28:45 GMT
JSO are selfish brats. Publicity on the front page doesn’t turn into any sort of useful action. If it does, I will eat my words, but I’ve yet to see any progress from their stupidity.
And re the ‘my night OUT!’ comment, many people don’t live on the theatre’s doorstep. A huge amount of effort and planning may have gone into some people’s trips. It’s not *just* a night out.
And I know a theatre visit is insignificant compared to our planet but that doesn’t excuse people interfering in this way. Especially when it doesn’t bloody achieve anything!
We’re not stupid. We don’t need awareness being raised. That’s not the answer.
Completely selfish brats last night.
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Post by Oobi on Oct 5, 2023 13:31:07 GMT
Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” JSO defenders live in a peculiar no-man's land where almost any amount of petty, untargeted cruelty can be excused, but actually mounting direct resistance against the forces driving climate change is somehow infeasible. If JSO are "right", then what are you even doing on this forum? Why are you treating yourself to "nights out" while simultaneously decrying "nights out" as selfish, privileged diversions that nobody is entitled to enjoy?
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2023 13:37:05 GMT
Did these idiots buy tickets or did they invade the theatre? If the latter, it’s worrying re security. They buy tickets, for this and the sporting events they disrupt. They are usually in the most expensive seats too. Because they can afford them.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 13:41:53 GMT
Did these idiots buy tickets or did they invade the theatre? If the latter, it’s worrying re security. They buy tickets, for this and the sporting events they disrupt. They are usually in the most expensive seats too. Because they can afford them. Or their millionaire benefactors can afford them. It's the cheapest form of activism, carrying out the funded dictats of others all in the name of a cause that is divisive yet many people would actually like to see proper progress and solutions proferred.
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 13:42:18 GMT
Because (and hold another front page for this, and maybe sit down before you read on) people can be theatre lovers and not want themselves or future generations to die because of how we are treating the planet in the way we are. This might take a while to process though. Steady yourself. Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” JSO defenders live in a peculiar no-man's land where almost any amount of petty, untargeted cruelty can be excused, but actually mounting direct resistance against the forces driving climate change is somehow infeasible. If JSO are "right", then what are you even doing on this forum? Why are you treating yourself to "nights out" while simultaneously decrying "nights out" as selfish, privileged diversions that nobody is entitled to enjoy?
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2023 13:42:29 GMT
Surely protesting at the currently ongoing Tory party conference in Manchester would have been better? I know common sense is seemingly lacking when it comes to their choices in protest locations but still.... Absolutely. This is bigger than just this. This government have single-handedly destroyed our country in the last decade. We are an embarrassment. They should protest at the top, not at those who are working so hard to keep the country going. I don’t imagine there’s any oil used in the production of Les Mis. I imagine every single person in the Les Mis audience uses oil and gas though, and they could all stop doing so couldn't they ? JSO regard all of us as legitimate targets, they don't care, something they have in common with terrorist organisations.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 13:45:15 GMT
Because (and hold another front page for this, and maybe sit down before you read on) people can be theatre lovers and not want themselves or future generations to die because of how we are treating the planet in the way we are. This might take a while to process though. Steady yourself. JSO defenders live in a peculiar no-man's land where almost any amount of petty, untargeted cruelty can be excused, but actually mounting direct resistance against the forces driving climate change is somehow infeasible. If JSO are "right", then what are you even doing on this forum? Why are you treating yourself to "nights out" while simultaneously decrying "nights out" as selfish, privileged diversions that nobody is entitled to enjoy? You're starring in your own melodrama. Future generations won't die, because smart humans create smart solutions (rather than tipping orange powder over stuff like a spoilt little degenerate toddler).
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2023 13:59:40 GMT
Because (and hold another front page for this, and maybe sit down before you read on) people can be theatre lovers and not want themselves or future generations to die because of how we are treating the planet in the way we are. This might take a while to process though. Steady yourself. You're starring in your own melodrama. Future generations won't die, because smart humans create smart solutions (rather than tipping orange powder over stuff like a spoilt little degenerate toddler). JSO is a doomsday cult. There have been many throughout history and will be many more in future. One common factor to them is that their adherents never recognise that they are in such a cult - "No, this time is different ! the world really is going to end !". In this case any problems will be solved gradually by adaptation and scientific advance, not by demanding on pain of imprisonment that I shell out £20k on a heat pump in 2030.
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 14:08:54 GMT
Because (and hold another front page for this, and maybe sit down before you read on) people can be theatre lovers and not want themselves or future generations to die because of how we are treating the planet in the way we are. This might take a while to process though. Steady yourself. If you can steal yourself from the snarky put-downs for a second, reflect on the fact that I (and I would hazard a majority of board users) largely agree with the aims of JSO. Why we despair is because JSO are actively setting back action by their methods that persuade people that their cause is the side of lunatics and fanatics. I could weep, I really could, for the environmental problems we are bequeathing next generations.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 5, 2023 14:15:01 GMT
I get that they have a point to prove but I wonder when planning this if it was Les Miz specifically, and why? I mean there are so many shows currently running and they could have had their pick.
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Post by solangelafitte on Oct 5, 2023 14:25:57 GMT
I get that they have a point to prove but I wonder when planning this if it was Les Miz specifically, and why? I mean there are so many shows currently running and they could have had their pick. Longest running, arguably most recognisable. Plus they got up during Do You Hear the People Sing?, the big rallying song asking people to join in their crusade.
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Post by crowblack on Oct 5, 2023 14:37:51 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies. This is why they are "tolerated" by oil firms. You've hit the nail on the head (not about funding) but about them being self-defeating in trying to persuade public opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be working for the oil industry, like the 'militants' in Alan Bleasdale's GBH, tarring the image of Labour for a generation and who turn out to be a bunch of posh agents provocteurs at the end . The opening of that new oil field last week passed with less mainstream protest than I'd have expected. This is such an important issue and they're turning it into some sort of middle class scout badge collection.
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2023 14:42:44 GMT
If you can steal yourself from the snarky put-downs for a second, reflect on the fact that I (and I would hazard a majority of board users) largely agree with the aims of JSO. The only concrete aim they've expressed that I'm aware of is that UK should stop new North Sea oil and gas production. Hence we should instead import our oil and gas from Norway and the Middle East with the associated extra transport CO2 emissions, and instead of collecting petroleum revenue tax of between 40% and 75% on that production that they could spend on green energy initiatives the government should instead get no production tax at all. So no, I don't think I do agree with that aim.
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Post by crowblack on Oct 5, 2023 14:51:12 GMT
We used to live a more sustainable lifestyle - the environmental footprint of daily life in the 1980s was far greener than today, where people think it's some sort of human right to dress and eat like it's midsummer in December. We need a campaign to go back to that, with the more energy efficient technology of now. And cheap or free public transport to get more people off the roads. The train website I use now has a 'pay in three' option! That's where we are now - for a train journey! Electric cars are not the answer - they're heavier causing more wear on roads, more tyre debris washing into oceans, and they're a fire hazard.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 14:52:53 GMT
This is why they are "tolerated" by oil firms. You've hit the nail on the head (not about funding) but about them being self-defeating in trying to persuade public opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be working for the oil industry, like the 'militants' in Alan Bleasdale's GBH, tarring the image of Labour for a generation and who turn out to be a bunch of posh agents provocteurs at the end . The opening of that new oil field last week passed with less mainstream protest than I'd have expected. This is such an important issue and they're turning it into some sort of middle class scout badge collection. It's a credible conspiracy theory. When asked about the JSO protestors outside the London office of a major UK oil firm, an exec said "they have a right to protest peacefully provided they don't endanger or intimidate our people". I.e. "we tolerate them because they pose no real threat". These firms spend millions on mitigation strategies for activist actions, and JSO simply do not register on the credibility scale. Other groups are "heard" and sometimes even enter into discussions with such firms. These conversations are not disclosed because these firms also know there are rogue agents working on the inside. JSO is not a credible or sensible group of people and they are mocking the efforts of more credible people through their lame efforts. I am not an environmentalist myself but could weep for the steadfast and earnest efforts of others which are undermined by the prattish behaviour of the JSO idiots. Hence, the government is confident enough to row back on oil field pledges and issue new licences (while they still can) which guarantee oil production for the next 40-80 years based on lifecycle management (40 being the yield required to be a profitable long-term investment). Even with carbon capture/recovery/storage, there is still a footprint and the products drilled certainly don't help the ambitious goals of net-zero. The game changer will be in affordable alternative energy solutions, but we are not there yet. 2050 is a more realistic target for net-zero goals, and in the meantime we can all do our bit to help make the planet a better place for all. But JSO don't want that - let's face it, in a few years, half of the JSO cohort will be dead, the other half will have grown up and be living in suburbia with 2.4 kids and a labrador, and JSO will be a footnote on how not to do political or environmental activism.
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Post by Jon on Oct 5, 2023 16:23:12 GMT
I do find it funny people are suggesting FOH of the Sondheim should have got involved to stop JSO, if it had been say a terrorist or hostage incident, would we suggesting they get involved?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2023 17:21:05 GMT
I do find it funny people are suggesting FOH of the Sondheim should have got involved to stop JSO, if it had been say a terrorist or hostage incident, would we suggesting they get involved? The ushers could of lobbed ice creams at them
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