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Post by erik24601 on Oct 4, 2023 23:05:40 GMT
They should have protested for Cameron to bring back the revolve. Didn't Cameron say he wanted to "cut the Green crap"? Edit. Sorry that was David Cameron. Not Cameron Mackintosh. As you were. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by erik24601 on Oct 4, 2023 23:08:12 GMT
Surely protesting at the currently ongoing Tory party conference in Manchester would have been better? I know common sense is seemingly lacking when it comes to their choices in protest locations but still.... Absolutely. This is bigger than just this. This government have single-handedly destroyed our country in the last decade. We are an embarrassment. They should protest at the top, not at those who are working so hard to keep the country going. I don’t imagine there’s any oil used in the production of Les Mis.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Oct 4, 2023 23:08:38 GMT
It also annoys me that they have the wherewithal to organise proper protests and disruptions that make an actual statement - but so many of them seem to put all their effort into pointless unrelated acts that just destroy any sense of good will to the cause.
Even in regards to the ‘all publicity is good publicity’ angle, this will be forgotten by the next news cycle and will just reinforce people’s association to JSO with ‘ugh them again’
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Post by marob on Oct 4, 2023 23:11:01 GMT
The security checks are performative BS though aren’t they? Didn’t the attackers in Paris show up after the concert started and just shoot their way in. No amount of shining a torch in a handbag is going to stop that happening.
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Post by sph on Oct 4, 2023 23:40:48 GMT
Waiting until the curtain call would have still secured their desired media attention so why interrupt the show?
As for what theatres can do to stop it? I mean... they can't. If cable ties are used to attach themselves to the set, they can easily be concealed in a pocket without arousing any suspicion.
There's really no way of knowing. These protestors probably looked like regular audience members. They don't seem to have been carrying weapons of any kind so there's no real reason for security to stop them on entry. Staff can be extra vigilant in the auditorium, but if a patron leaps out of their seat and storms the stage, what can they realistically do? Even well positioned security wouldn't get there in time.
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Post by sph on Oct 4, 2023 23:42:11 GMT
The security checks are performative BS though aren’t they? Didn’t the attackers in Paris show up after the concert started and just shoot their way in. No amount of shining a torch in a handbag is going to stop that happening. I believe this is true. Bag checks are a visual deterrent to make security more visible to any potentially threatening people watching the venue.
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 0:27:48 GMT
Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar.
Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital.
And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have.
Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE!
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 1:43:02 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives?
If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further.
It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight.
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Post by Oobi on Oct 5, 2023 2:05:33 GMT
Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. FFS. JSO are not revolutionaries. They're YouTube pranksters with hats.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 5, 2023 4:01:24 GMT
I think custodial sentences would be appropriate and entirely justified when it comes to sentencing. What on earth does Les Mis have to do with climate change? This is incredibly damaging to the JSO cause. Deplorable behaviour from a bunch of self-serving scrotes.
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Post by sukhavati on Oct 5, 2023 5:21:02 GMT
Waiting until the curtain call would have still secured their desired media attention so why interrupt the show? As for what theatres can do to stop it? I mean... they can't. If cable ties are used to attach themselves to the set, they can easily be concealed in a pocket without arousing any suspicion. There's really no way of knowing. These protestors probably looked like regular audience members. They don't seem to have been carrying weapons of any kind so there's no real reason for security to stop them on entry. Staff can be extra vigilant in the auditorium, but if a patron leaps out of their seat and storms the stage, what can they realistically do? Even well positioned security wouldn't get there in time. This is where music venues have the edge. Security guards - massive blokes - between the barricades and the stage placed every meter or so to keep people from leaping up on the stage unless the artist wants to purposely bring someone out of the audience. Are theatre owners prepared to lose revenue from the first two rows to have a small security team placed there with eyes on the crowd at all times?
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Post by sukhavati on Oct 5, 2023 5:28:55 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives? If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further. It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight. It's not ostriching - in some cases there may be company guidelines that no matter how bad the behavior, staff are not allowed to physically touch the miscreants. There are liability issues, including the type who would claim they were injured by staff members who tried to intervene resulting in a lawsuit (frivolous). If the company has that kind of policy then staff is supposed to wait for police to arrive and take the trouble makers out.
Personally, if it had been me, I would have taken that flag and prodded those idiots on the bum. Not hard enough to force them into the orchestra pit, but enough to make an impression. I agree that climate change is a huge issue, BUT, an auditorium full of people who have nothing to do with the government are only going to be completely turned off by JSO's methods. Why aren't they in Manchester or Westminster? If they are indeed rich kids with a cause, why aren't they working mum and dad's contacts?
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Post by christya on Oct 5, 2023 6:08:40 GMT
What an absolute bunch of arseholes. When they do something like this, I don't care why they do it, I don't care what they have to say. They need to be dragged out by any means necessary. Some people will have travelled a long way to see the show, and not everyone can afford to do it a second time. Frankly I wish they'd been tackled and sat on before they got to the stage. Failing that, it's time the law actually punished them properly. Jail time.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 6:16:37 GMT
Let's be clear. Just Stop Oil and their ilk are attention-seeking tossers who are hypocrites of the highest order. Anybody who actually believes they stand for anything needs their head seeing to. Far more effective environmental groups have influenced the agenda constructively even getting big oil firms to sit up and listen. Just Stop Oil are a bunch of disruptive hi-vis middle class fannies targeting the average Joe with antagonistic methods which will one day see them get serious comeuppance. As somebody else said online: "Come down to the next Millwall game and try this." They don't and they won't because ultimately they are spineless. Anybody who thinks we can live in a world without oil right now is deluded. Current net-zero goals are an unachievable fallacy dreamt up by incompetent politicians who know they won't ever be held to account. If we're going to set goals, let's make them achievable and realistic.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 5, 2023 6:16:59 GMT
Whilst I recognise the right to free speech and to protest, as previously stated, I think this is just terrible.
This could have been so much worse! Thank God that both the actors on stage and the members of the audience are all safe 🙏
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Post by max on Oct 5, 2023 6:52:01 GMT
Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! To be fair, this was nothing compared to his own protest at the rehearsals of 'Barnum', as filmed for that C4 documentary. CM joining in last night could have gone something like this: 'Listen, you may want an end to new oil licences and a future for the planet you and your children will inherit, but I want 'Colours of My Life', and I'm supergluing myself to the barricades until I get it!'
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Post by actorsinger on Oct 5, 2023 7:24:01 GMT
For the cost of ticket prices and travel and accommodation that the audience last night will have forked out, what JSO did was theft. They stole thousands and thousands of pounds from the people in the audience last night, refund or not. Of course they have a legitimate point of protest but they really do go the wrong way about it. Alienating the people who probably agree with their issues. They’re too scared to actually protest where it matters, where the big money is and the CEO’s. Ridiculous and dangerous behaviour. My concern is for the safety of all the theatre staff going forward. This might encourage copycats etc.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2023 7:31:37 GMT
How meta
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 5, 2023 7:41:01 GMT
I must admit, the thought of copycats at any performance of any show crossed my mind.
Cam Mac would NOT be a happy man this morning!
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 8:34:17 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 5, 2023 8:40:56 GMT
Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! But this has achieved nothing! Publicity and attention for a few brief moments will not change anything. If you think that it’s justified at the expense of ruining theatre for all these people, then I really think you’re on the wrong forum.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 5, 2023 8:42:10 GMT
Les Mis? Book of Mormon surely with it's higher carbon footprint, sending all those Missionaries around the Globe ... Frozen with a dig at Global warming ... Mamma Mia with a nod to the fires in Greece in the Summer ...
I'm very uncomfortable with the comments that "if I were there >violence<" etc. Like most of us, I guess, I've seen the vids online of the protestors (middle-class yuppies??) in traffic in London being physically attacked. Christ - bigger picture, the enemy is this Government and the backtracking on the commitment to achieving net zero. Quoting Al Gore two weeks ago: "I find it shocking, really disappointing, I think Rishi Sunak has done the wrong thing.. Fossil fuel companies have used their wealth to slow things down.. They're much better at capturing politicians than emissions.. You can tell when they've captured one"
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 9:00:54 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies. This is why they are "tolerated" by oil firms. You've hit the nail on the head (not about funding) but about them being self-defeating in trying to persuade public opinion.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Oct 5, 2023 9:05:59 GMT
Curious to see how some in the west end react to this. Only last week I saw a few 'it may be an inconvenience to you (the go slows/protest), but that's nothing to the inconvenience of climate change' type posts after the nyc flooding.
Now the inconvenience is on their turf I'm wondering if they'll be so accepting.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 9:16:34 GMT
Les Mis? Book of Mormon surely with it's higher carbon footprint, sending all those Missionaries around the Globe ... Frozen with a dig at Global warming ... Mamma Mia with a nod to the fires in Greece in the Summer ... I'm very uncomfortable with the comments that "if I were there >violence<" etc. Like most of us, I guess, I've seen the vids online of the protestors (middle-class yuppies??) in traffic in London being physically attacked. Christ - bigger picture, the enemy is this Government and the backtracking on the commitment to achieving net zero. Quoting Al Gore two weeks ago: "I find it shocking, really disappointing, I think Rishi Sunak has done the wrong thing.. Fossil fuel companies have used their wealth to slow things down.. They're much better at capturing politicians than emissions.. You can tell when they've captured one" Look at the geopolitics - America wants everybody else to commit to net-zero, whilst expanding drilling and fracking. Net-zero is simply an impossible dream right now (at least 2030/2035 objectives. 2050 is more realistic in terms of infrastructure development, hydrogen capabilities and avoiding jumping from frying pan to fire with extensive over-mining of lithium. As usual, politicians will jump on any bandwagon that makes them popular or appear down with the kids, but in reality the issue of global warming and net-zero is a much longer project than most of our lifetimes, and politicians love to over-promise and under-deliver. Oil and gas are here in their current form for at least the next twenty years, and the transition to cleaner greener living will take a little longer than the JSO fascists might like, but I believe in the ingenuity of humankind and that we will get there eventually. What mustn't happen is some kind of social pressganging which will simply leave the poorest worse off or unable to make the jump. Many of the JSO hi-vis brigade simply don't know what it is like for the average Joe trying to earn a living and provide for their nearest and dearest.
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Post by Jon on Oct 5, 2023 9:21:31 GMT
Just stop Oil, Greenpeace and other woke groups should bebanned like a terrorist groups I don't agree with Greenpeace as they have been going years but I'd do it to JSO in a hearbeat. Greenpeace being described as woke is utterly amusing.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 5, 2023 9:28:59 GMT
I’m sure some would say Greenpeace are a museum protest group; completely behind the times. They need someone to come in and modernise them. Museum piece - or museum Greenpeace if you will
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 9:46:52 GMT
Yes, was thinking of exactly that moment. And Cam M’s horror captured on film for all time. He deeserves nothing less. People’s attitudes of “how DARE you ruin my evening out” are… Reading a lot of the reactions on here is actually quite scary. What did he sing in BTTF? “My myopia is my utopia.” Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” We’re screwed. Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! To be fair, this was nothing compared to his own protest at the rehearsals of 'Barnum', as filmed for that C4 documentary. CM joining in last night could have gone something like this: 'Listen, you may want an end to new oil licences and a future for the planet you and your children will inherit, but I want 'Colours of My Life', and I'm supergluing myself to the barricades until I get it!'
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 9:49:00 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! But this has achieved nothing! Publicity and attention for a few brief moments will not change anything. If you think that it’s justified at the expense of ruining theatre for all these people, then I really think you’re on the wrong forum.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Oct 5, 2023 10:06:38 GMT
Being on the front page of a newspaper is not the same as actually achieving anything for the cause. Awareness of climate change and the challenges we face has never been higher. 'Creating awareness' is an outdated excuse now.
People are already well aware of the issue, what they're doing is alienating people who are/were already on their side.
Targeting the general public instead of the people in power who actually make decisions has no positive impact for the issues. They could also target the countries we really need to change their habits, but of course they wouldn't dare.
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