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Post by alicechallice on Dec 31, 2021 0:40:18 GMT
Slightly off topic- I apologise but why is she no longer performing? Is she retired? Is she unwell or physically unable to? She stopped acting in the theatre after The Philadelphia Story at the Old Vic in 2005, said she found it too tiring then. She’s still up for film & TV I believe. Baz had her rumoured as part of the cast of ‘Allelujah! (the film based on the Alan Bennett play) but her name wasn’t included in the press release when it started filming. She might still be in it though. |
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Post by sprampster on Dec 31, 2021 10:51:30 GMT
Was it just me or was Moby Dick the only show that wasnt mentioned alongside Martin Guerre?
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Post by alece10 on Dec 31, 2021 11:22:14 GMT
Was it just me or was Moby Dick the only show that wasnt mentioned alongside Martin Guerre? There was no mention of Avenue Q apart from a picture in the montage right at the end. |
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Post by scarpia on Dec 31, 2021 12:27:48 GMT
This is the problem I often have with Sky Arts documentaries - they usually feel like promotional films or puff pieces. This was absolutely worth watching for the interviews and archive footage, but there was little analysis or critical thought, and certainly nothing to show CM in a less than flattering light, when, of course, we all know stories of what a complicated person he can be to work with... Yep - in this case it's not surprising given this documentary film was made by his company, but I was disappointed that the BBC chose a similar angle when they did their radio documentary about Phantom on boxing day, which was just one big advert. Perhaps the most obvious controversy they decided not to talk about at all was the yellowface in Miss Saigon. They wouldn't be able to get away with that now. They didn't mention Song and Dance either. I guess it didn't really make sense to mention Avenue Q given Mackintosh only helped to co-produce a transfer and otherwise had nothing to do with it, but then that applies to Hamilton too and he seemed to want to mention that... |
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Post by horton on Dec 31, 2021 12:32:22 GMT
Moby Dick could take up a whole programme all by itself...
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Post by sukhavati on Jan 1, 2022 1:55:33 GMT
Was a great programme. So many little hints of his less “fuzzy” side though, shall we say. I long for the 80’s and 90’s musicals scene, and not just for the shows themselves. I think I preferred it without the internet, when your experience of a show was mainly just seeing the show. Not all the politics and gossip surrounding it. I know I’ve been an enthusiastic part of that myself (I think it’s human nature, when given the opportunity), but I also kinda regret it. I miss the 80s/90s musical scene because there were more unique voices then, with actors who happened to sing. I remember thinking that Michael Ball was a revelation the first time I heard him, rather like George Michael, to be so young and so blessed with such a beautiful instrument, but these days a good number of performers sound as if they've been through the same sort of Vocal Music MFA programme, and approach everything as a BIG SING, with the nuances of character arc becoming secondary to the opportunity to show off their vocal range. I've been on and off various theatre boards since the late 90s, and sometimes it makes me feel more connected to the scene, but there are aspects of online fandoms that I could do without... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 3:02:49 GMT
Moby Dick could take up a whole programme all by itself... And one i would be more than happy to watch. I loved that show. It was so much fun, but i think that having Cameron's name attached to it, might have given people certain expectations, when it was like nothing he had done before, nor done since. I think if the internet had been around then, it could have developed quite a follwing. If i had the money, i would produce that exact same production again, just not at the Piccadilly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 3:56:52 GMT
They didn't mention Song and Dance either. I guess it didn't really make sense to mention Avenue Q given Mackintosh only helped to co-produce a transfer and otherwise had nothing to do with it, but then that applies to Hamilton too and he seemed to want to mention that... Hamilton is a Pulitzer Prize winning, cultural phenomenon that won 7 out of a record breaking 13 nominations at the Olivier Awards. Avenue Q is a show about puppets that barely anyone knows. Phantom is also another world wide cultural phenomenon. Why shouldn't it be celebrated? Oh yeah. Hal and Maria.... Just because a handful of people don't agree with his decisions, doesn't mean it's worthy of being included in the discussion. Perhaps the most obvious controversy they decided not to talk about at all was the yellowface in Miss Saigon. They wouldn't be able to get away with that now. But they wouldn't try to do it now either. Times have thankfully changed and so have casting practices, though still not perfect, but things are very different now to how they were. Why can't programmes or radio broadcasts just be about celebrating someone's achievements, especially when they done so much worth celebrating. You obviously hate Cameron Mackintosh so much, i'm surprised you bothered to watch or listen to either of those programmes in the first place. |
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Post by theatreian on Jan 1, 2022 9:34:03 GMT
Got round to watching it last night. I enjoyed it but it could have been better edited. It was great to see some of the old clips too.
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Post by scarpia on Jan 1, 2022 12:34:20 GMT
They didn't mention Song and Dance either. I guess it didn't really make sense to mention Avenue Q given Mackintosh only helped to co-produce a transfer and otherwise had nothing to do with it, but then that applies to Hamilton too and he seemed to want to mention that... Hamilton is a Pulitzer Prize winning, cultural phenomenon that won 7 out of a record breaking 13 nominations at the Olivier Awards. Avenue Q is a show about puppets that barely anyone knows. Phantom is also another world wide cultural phenomenon. Why shouldn't it be celebrated? Oh yeah. Hal and Maria.... Just because a handful of people don't agree with his decisions, doesn't mean it's worthy of being included in the discussion. Perhaps the most obvious controversy they decided not to talk about at all was the yellowface in Miss Saigon. They wouldn't be able to get away with that now. But they wouldn't try to do it now either. Times have thankfully changed and so have casting practices, though still not perfect, but things are very different now to how they were. Why can't programmes or radio broadcasts just be about celebrating someone's achievements, especially when they done so much worth celebrating. You obviously hate Cameron Mackintosh so much, i'm surprised you bothered to watch or listen to either of those programmes in the first place. LOL, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed! You might want to take a look at my original post in this thread where I said I enjoyed the documentary notwithstanding its faults and said Sir Cameron's passion for musical theatre couldn't be doubted. All I said about Hamilton was that it wasn't something he originally produced...what exactly is wrong with that? He just put raised some funds for the London production and gave it a theatre. Like any transfer. The comment about Avenue Q was just a reply to someone else who asked what shows had been left out (and quite a few people know it, actually, including lots of non-MT people. It had a very healthy run on both sides of the Atlantic and certainly outran many shows mentioned in the documentary). I'm not the only one in this thread to say I prefer more analytical documentaries than ones that are just self-produced glorified adverts, so not sure why you're picking on me about that. As someone else mentioned, the BBC Imagine documentary was far more insightful. Apparently we can't critique anything this man or his company does, we must simply say that every documentary and press release produced is a masterpiece. For the record--and I'm not saying any more than that--Cameron still uses something he commissioned to me to do and I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean I have to join this nonsensical cult that shoots down anyone who points out glaring omissions or incorrect facts. |
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Post by djdan14 on Jan 1, 2022 15:14:33 GMT
Just because your not familiar with it doesn’t mean no one knows it, Avenue Q had 3 Tony Wins including best musical and successful run of a few years with various tours says different. (P.S I too was disappointed at its exclusion from the programme)
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Post by inthenose on Jan 1, 2022 22:34:04 GMT
They didn't mention Song and Dance either. I guess it didn't really make sense to mention Avenue Q given Mackintosh only helped to co-produce a transfer and otherwise had nothing to do with it, but then that applies to Hamilton too and he seemed to want to mention that... Hamilton is a Pulitzer Prize winning, cultural phenomenon that won 7 out of a record breaking 13 nominations at the Olivier Awards. Avenue Q is a show about puppets that barely anyone knows. Phantom is also another world wide cultural phenomenon. Why shouldn't it be celebrated? Oh yeah. Hal and Maria.... Just because a handful of people don't agree with his decisions, doesn't mean it's worthy of being included in the discussion. Perhaps the most obvious controversy they decided not to talk about at all was the yellowface in Miss Saigon. They wouldn't be able to get away with that now. But they wouldn't try to do it now either. Times have thankfully changed and so have casting practices, though still not perfect, but things are very different now to how they were. Why can't programmes or radio broadcasts just be about celebrating someone's achievements, especially when they done so much worth celebrating. You obviously hate Cameron Mackintosh so much, i'm surprised you bothered to watch or listen to either of those programmes in the first place. Sorry, but a lot of what you say simply isn't true and seems to be down to your personal knowledge, rather than that of the wider theatre world. Avenue Q won the best musical, book and score at the Tony's, and was written by Robert Lopez, who subsequently with his wife Kristen Anderson-Lopez wrote the music to Frozen, Frozen II, Coco... Just because you haven't heard of it, it doesn't make it irrelevant. This is known as a "small reference pool" and combined with a forthright opinion can come off rather ignorant, if we aren't careful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 1:53:55 GMT
Sorry, but a lot of what you say simply isn't true and seems to be down to your personal knowledge, rather than that of the wider theatre world. At what point did I say I didn't know what Avenue Q was? I saw it in NYC when it opened and twice at the Noel Coward Theatre during it's original West End run, but thanks for the unnecessary information. Misreading something, making assumptions and then thinking you're being smart or clever comes across as.... well, let's just say it's not a good look. And then when the usual people like that post, it's just makes them look stupid too. It's such a pack mentality, it's hilarious.
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Post by Jon on Mar 14, 2022 14:14:50 GMT
I managed to watch it last night as it was repeated and I found it interesting although the omission of Martin Guerre was odd.
Was great seeing Maria and Sonia Friedman together as well.
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