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Post by mkb on Apr 11, 2022 11:59:30 GMT
Whether it's film or theatre, I see increasingly little correlation between awards and genuinely outstanding talent/performances.
That said, I can't comment on how deserving Cabaret is, as I chose not to see it. That the industry is venerating a show where a stalls seat requires a second mortgage, I find pretty distasteful. Let's not pretend this show, or others with increasingly high ticket prices for any decent view, embrace inclusivity; people on low incomes are firmly excluded.
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 13:52:22 GMT
Not seen it either, so this is no comment on those involved, but it would be remarkable if the absolutely best performances in all four categories happened to come from the same production. It's not so much that it would be a coincidence. A quality production casts great people, and gives them good direction and allows plenty of rehearsal time. I understand Cabaret had a longer than normal rehearsal time, which all helps bring out the best in already talented actors.
More likely it's the people who get to vote are as human as the rest of us and they get caught up in the emotion of a great overall show and experience, and that carries over into how they vote. It reminds me of the pop music awards when the pop music fans vote for their favourite in every category, including Best Hair.
I'd argue that it's always been that way, and it just becomes more obvious as you get older, but when the costs of a slick production, with slick PR, is reflected in ticket prices that are eye-watering, then it questions how much of an award for singing and acting is for the singing and acting, and whether excellent singing and acting in more humble surroundings can compete. If actors are picking parts based on what is most likely to get them an award, will they insist on ever more lavish productions?
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Post by caa on Apr 11, 2022 14:32:05 GMT
I'm glad for the award winners, but I must admit to feeling so what!
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2022 17:19:46 GMT
Daftest comment just now on London Tonight. "Coming up, how the west end was the big winner at the Oliviers". Considering the awards are for West end shows its no wonder it was the big winner!!
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Post by Rory on Apr 11, 2022 17:20:23 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit.
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 18:38:49 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit. If I weren't already familiar with the story I'd assume it was a sex show based on last night's performance. My recording ended just as the award for outstanding achievement in Opera was shown. Was that the end? I fully understand the need to edit things down for tv, but I don't think the 'also awarded' bit worked well. Too many not that interesting speeches in a row that didn't tell me anything about the production or performance that was being rewarded. I had to peer at the screen to see what had won. Even if they are going to edit things down, I wish they could find a way to show a small clip from each production nominated. Good news for those upset that Liz Carr didn't get proper attention on ITV last night - she was featured prominently on Channel 4 news.
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Post by crabtree on Apr 12, 2022 11:04:44 GMT
To appreciate how good the Oliviers were just watch All Star Musicals that was on before. After the subtle Our Time number in the Oliviers Poppins, Eponine, and Phantom and everyone else hand jiving to Hairspray was indeed a grim, tacky, nasty sight.
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 13, 2022 12:38:03 GMT
A quick question - I’m intrigued how they put the Oliviers show together when some of those performing (in full make up and costume) are also in the audience for the evening. People like Clive Carter, Beverley Knight, the guys from Back The Future etc.
Are the performances filmed earlier on then slotted in for the TV broadcast? I’m assuming not, so how does the evening work for those who are attending AND performing?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by fiyerorocher on Apr 13, 2022 14:37:13 GMT
A quick question - I’m intrigued how they put the Oliviers show together when some of those performing (in full make up and costume) are also in the audience for the evening. People like Clive Carter, Beverley Knight, the guys from Back The Future etc. Are the performances filmed earlier on then slotted in for the TV broadcast? I’m assuming not, so how does the evening work for those who are attending AND performing? Thanks in advance! Performances happen throughout the show. Those performing just get changed in and and out of their costume for their number, then go back to their seats afterwards. Presenters are also pulled out of the audience to present and then sent back to their seats. They arrange things so you're not performing directly before an award you're nominated for.
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 13, 2022 15:28:05 GMT
Thank you. I guess they’re used to quick changes given their profession!
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 14, 2022 13:56:03 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit. I kinda wish they'd alternate between the two best bits - the Act 1 opener and the Act 2 opener. Anything after that drops from 10/10 to 6/10 (which is my main problem with the show - starting each act with the best bit is a huge problem when the book is as bad as it is in MR)
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 14, 2022 15:17:30 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit. I kinda wish they'd alternate between the two best bits - the Act 1 opener and the Act 2 opener. Anything after that drops from 10/10 to 6/10 (which is my main problem with the show - starting each act with the best bit is a huge problem when the book is as bad as it is in MR) Or perhaps they could perform the Elephant Love Medley? I agree, I was a bit disappointed when I realised the Oliviers performance was going to be pretty much what they did at the Royal Variety…
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 14, 2022 18:46:36 GMT
I kinda wish they'd alternate between the two best bits - the Act 1 opener and the Act 2 opener. Anything after that drops from 10/10 to 6/10 (which is my main problem with the show - starting each act with the best bit is a huge problem when the book is as bad as it is in MR) Or perhaps they could perform the Elephant Love Medley? I agree, I was a bit disappointed when I realised the Oliviers performance was going to be pretty much what they did at the Royal Variety… They probably aren’t bothering with the Elephant Love Medley because of the complete lack of chemistry between the leads. I thought it was quite telling that they weren’t involved at all in the Oliviers performance at all, but then I guess they wanted to showcase Clive Carter seeing as he was nominated and they weren’t.
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Post by jojo on Apr 16, 2022 11:41:29 GMT
There's a summary of the 'best bits' from the Oliviers on the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61024410Elliot Levey's comments about big stars trying theatre is interesting. "I judge actors on their ability to work on stage," says Levey. "When big stars come and try [theatre], if they can't do it, I sort of write them off. I think they're great and wonderful, but a bit of me goes 'you're not proper'. Eddie Redmayne is proper." It was probably intended only as praise for Redmayne, but it also feels like he has some stars in mind who considers are not proper...
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 16, 2022 20:18:42 GMT
A quick question - I’m intrigued how they put the Oliviers show together when some of those performing (in full make up and costume) are also in the audience for the evening. People like Clive Carter, Beverley Knight, the guys from Back The Future etc. Are the performances filmed earlier on then slotted in for the TV broadcast? I’m assuming not, so how does the evening work for those who are attending AND performing? Thanks in advance! They are very much live! Dashing in and out.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 17, 2022 10:51:30 GMT
They do a full rehearsal the day before so all the performers know the timings for when to leave their seats.
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