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Post by kathryn on Jun 17, 2019 11:24:38 GMT
Tone-policing is super uncool. If this is about the 'TERF' comment, I've unfollowed two Twitter followers in the last fortnight for tweeting with approval 'shoot a TERF' memes. I didn't know these were a 'thing' until recently but if you twitter search "shoot/punch/choke a TERF" it's pretty shocking and post Jo Cox I do think that language and atmosphere needs policing. Some of the trans activists have become truly scary - and chilling of free speech. Even discussing established feminist theory about what gender *is* as an idea - the classic Butler-esque concept that gender roles are not innate and are created by society - can get you shouted down as a TERF who should be shunned/sacked. It's actually really concerning when people are trying to teach classic feminist theory and they're getting abuse thrown at them. There are times when anger is a totally appropriate response, and there are times when it's not. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 17, 2019 12:44:47 GMT
Sadly there have been vicious exchanges in discussions of transgender, which is such a shame.
On the issue of this thread, it is of course rightly the subject of anger that a fifth of the way through the 21st century gay people are still regarded by some with distaste and as being unnatural, sick, disgusting, and deviant; that they are merely choosing a "perverted lifestyle"; that elected officials can publicly speak of "curing" them with no risk of being suspended or disciplined; and that they are mocked, insulted, criminalised, physically attacked and even killed for being who they are.
If I was on the receiving end of any of that bar being killed, I'd be f***ing furious, if not withdrawn or in a deep depression.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 17, 2019 13:12:04 GMT
Oh, absolutely!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 19:34:31 GMT
Sadly there have been vicious exchanges in discussions of transgender, which is such a shame. On the issue of this thread, it is of course rightly the subject of anger that a fifth of the way through the 21st century gay people are still regarded by some with distaste and as being unnatural, sick, disgusting, and deviant; that they are merely choosing a "perverted lifestyle"; that elected officials can publicly speak of "curing" them with no risk of being suspended or disciplined; and that they are mocked, insulted, criminalised, physically attacked and even killed for being who they are. If I was on the receiving end of any of that bar being killed, I'd be f***ing furious, if not withdrawn or in a deep depression. Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I know two gay women raising happy young (and not so young) families, and the thought that they or their children would be penalised for just living their average, happy lives is indeed hard to process in the 21st century. A final word on ‘tone-policing’ - if me thinking it’s unacceptable to level four letter word insults against a woman who requests a female medic for an internal examination and rejects the offer of a transwoman medic constitutes ‘tone policing’ in someone’s mind, then we are very much going to have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by Snciole on Jun 17, 2019 20:31:44 GMT
I am from Southampton and deeply ashamed. Southampton isn't a backward city and hopefully, a few bad eggs won't put touring companies off.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 17, 2019 22:10:15 GMT
Southampton isn't a backward city I got an email from the Royal Court last week saying arrive early for Queer Upstairs because there'd be bag checks. As it is I couldn't go tonight but wondered if they'd heard anything specific or it was just a general precaution after the Rotterdam incident - didn't the NT do a security note last year about their LGBT+ season? |
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Post by Snciole on Jun 18, 2019 12:03:19 GMT
That is an awful thought and I tell myself the sorts of people who would attack people at those sorts of events aren't cultured or clever enough to know about those sorts of events.
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