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Post by dlevi on Mar 31, 2019 15:56:01 GMT
A startling and musically eloquent evening with dynamic performances ( Dame Jo!!!!!) and masterful design. Daniel Kramer's direction is superb and circumspect in terms of the usual Kramer gimmicks - however too may chorus people were looking at the conductor rather than involving themselves in the onstage action. I hope this does well for the ENO it's bold and challenging programming . Oh and it's a bad title: Jack the Ripper never appears. Women of Whitechapel would be more appropriate.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 31, 2019 16:08:08 GMT
I liked the music that they put out on YouTube - only snippets - but it sounded very powerful.
I can understand keeping Ripper in the title - it does help explain the context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 16:29:52 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 31, 2019 18:42:02 GMT
Sometimes you do need to make a compromise to help build an audience.
New operas are always a challenging sell - so it is worth putting up with a rather obvious title in order to build awareness and understanding- and thus get the audience numbers up.
Godot never appears - and yet that play manages ok with his name in the title. It is hardly unprecedented for a theatre piece to reference someone who doesn't appear on stage. My Night with Reg is another that springs to mind.
Jack may not appear on stage - but his presence, the threat is surely somewhat pervasive in creating the atmosphere of the piece.
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Post by dlevi on Apr 2, 2019 6:51:47 GMT
Sometimes you do need to make a compromise to help build an audience. New operas are always a challenging sell - so it is worth putting up with a rather obvious title in order to build awareness and understanding- and thus get the audience numbers up. Godot never appears - and yet that play manages ok with his name in the title. It is hardly unprecedented for a theatre piece to reference someone who doesn't appear on stage. My Night with Reg is another that springs to mind. Jack may not appear on stage - but his presence, the threat is surely somewhat pervasive in creating the atmosphere of the piece. Well yes but - we don't know who Godot is, or Reg for that matter - we DO know who Jack the Ripper is , so there is an expectation on our part that he might put in an appearance. The recent play at The Hope Theatre "In Conversation with Graham Norton" at least put in a disclaimer under the title: "Graham Norton does not appear in this production." I'm not saying that the ENO should follow suit, but the title does conjure up a different sort of evening than the one which is delivered.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 2, 2019 8:09:06 GMT
Except we don't. Jack's identity is far from being confirmed. We know what happened in terms of the murders. We know of various theories and suspects. But not who actually did it.
Reg - well we might not meet him but we know a lot about him from what the others report of him. He is actually known to the other characters which is rather the point.
Godot - again Didi and Gogo have been told of his coming and so there some sort of knowledge of what/who he is just no really certainty.
Jack the Ripper very quickly became a mythological figure. A bogeyman. A symbol. Putting a real figure on stage would be to take a position as to who he was in reality. I can understand not doing that just as I can understand using his name to help build an audience for a new opera.
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Post by joem on Apr 3, 2019 22:33:50 GMT
The Absence of Jack is a very interesting opera. Like many of the best modern operas it tends to be cerebral but there are moments when it hits you in the guts, like the song and dance pub scene with two competing melodies, and those tend to be the best moments. There was a great balance between the chorus and the, pleasingly, high number of soloists.
Most of the liberties taken with what is (un)known of the events are understandable and acceptable. I am surprised at the conflation between the police commissioner and would-be purchaser of the child. If this is intentional it is not backed by anything we know and therefore baseless conjecture which muddies the, very real,
I found the parallels drawn up between the Cretan labyrinth and the warren which was the East End interesting and pertinent. It was worked into the narrative very cleverly.
My tuppence worth to the discussion on the thread. We don't know who Jack the Ripper was but it's almost 100% certain - from the forensic evidence - that most, or all, the five murders were carried out by one individual. Whether there was a conspiracy in high places, a masonic ritual or whatever, the physical act seems to have been the act of the same individual whoever he/she was and whatever he/she was actually called. The word mythology, like "legend", is used loosely in modern times but the fact is that whilst we don't really know if there was a nymph called Calypso or if Achilles really slew Hector, we do know these five women lost their lives to a murderer who was a real flesh and blood figure (I rule out supernatural agencies) and therefore not mythological.
How refreshing to see a composer take a curtain call. Never happens with Mozart, Wagner etc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 14:42:00 GMT
ENO have added extra "secret seats" for Friday - judging by what's left on sale you should get a good deal. I presume they'll do the same for subsequent dates too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 18:26:51 GMT
Got row G of stalls, normally £99.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 22:38:19 GMT
The I thought this was excellent and agree with the reviews above by dlevi and joem which saves me a lot of typing Much more engaging than many new operas and I can see this having a successful life elsewhere after the ENO run Could be trimmed a bit and the ending seemed to go on forever.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 8, 2019 18:00:41 GMT
Got row G of stalls, normally £99. No wonder they're discounting. That seems overly optomistic ticket pricing for a new opera. (Frankly I wouldn't see it even if they paid me £99!)
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Post by cartoonman on Apr 11, 2019 11:38:13 GMT
I got row L in the centre of the stalls. Good secret seats for £30 but I'm not sure I would have paid more. I suspect someone had returned them after seeing the reviews. J the R was good in parts. I found the plot confusing until I read in the programme that there was a dream sequence. Found I had to look at the titles a lot. the lighting was very good and there were some very atmospheric scenes without resorting to smoke. But it just didn't seem very tuneful. I would agree that it could be cut near the end. The gent in the next seat fell asleep! I had a really nice cup of coffee before the show and that may have helped me. The composer took a curtain call, brave man.
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Post by yokollama on Apr 12, 2019 22:37:25 GMT
I'm not sure what to make of this and the audience tonight didn't seem too enthused judging from what I overhead. My favourite of the night: "We like to think of ourselves as intelligent when we come to the theatre. Until this."
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 13, 2019 7:10:47 GMT
I got row L in the centre of the stalls. Good secret seats for £30 but I'm not sure I would have paid more. I suspect someone had returned them after seeing the reviews. J the R was good in parts. I found the plot confusing until I read in the programme that there was a dream sequence. Found I had to look at the titles a lot. the lighting was very good and there were some very atmospheric scenes without resorting to smoke. But it just didn't seem very tuneful. I would agree that it could be cut near the end. The gent in the next seat fell asleep! I had a really nice cup of coffee before the show and that may have helped me. The composer took a curtain call, brave man. There was a dream sequence? I seriously did not get that and I dutifully followed the surtittles throughout. I liked the cimbalom and I thought it was really well sung but... Iain Bell's score I quite liked and I will check out his other compositions
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Post by cartoonman on May 14, 2019 16:50:48 GMT
J the R is on Radio 3 on 18th May at 6:30.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 14, 2019 17:39:03 GMT
Thanks - something for get_iplayer I fancy
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