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Post by peggs on Apr 27, 2018 20:21:54 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 27, 2018 20:59:11 GMT
We have to move with the times and become way more environmentally friendly. New solutions will be found.
The NT can lower its carbon footprint by ditching the endless use of plastic in its current production of Macbeth.
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Post by joem on Apr 27, 2018 22:17:07 GMT
Close down all the theatres. That should reduce the carbon footprint.
Alternatively the EU could do its bit by not having meetings of its parliament in three different locations with MEPs and their entourage constantly travelling between them.
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Post by firefingers on Apr 27, 2018 22:37:21 GMT
Yes essentially the EU are trying to tighten regulations on lighting, essentially limiting everyone to domestic lighting standards.
Pretty much all theatre equipment would fall foul of this. The current legislation contains an exemption for theatre but new laws planned don't. Cock up or conspiracy we aren't sure. We do know it would cripple shows and require expensive trashing of the majority of current lamps and buying a ton to replace them.
Theatres are working to become more environmentally friendly (mainly to keep costs down, global benefit is a happy accident) forcing these plans through would be catastrophic for lampies and audiences everywhere. Do sign the petition etc.
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Post by Dan213 on Apr 28, 2018 3:00:10 GMT
This is an even more damaging prospect for many amateur groups throughout the country. There are many theatres that would not have the funds to upgrade all their lighting rigs to LED
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Post by jaqs on Apr 28, 2018 9:19:32 GMT
It's another nonsense to appease car manufacturers. Like outlawing powerful vacuum cleaners and glass coffee pots. I am sure every little helps environmentally but tackling the big stuff would help a whole lot more.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 28, 2018 10:05:35 GMT
My amateur company are looking at stockpiling the necessary bulbs in order to ensure we get maximum life out of our existing lanterns.
Surely it is worse for the environment to destroy all the existing lighting stock and to manufacture replacements.
Most stage lighting is only used for a limited part of the day and in the case of amateur groups for a few weeks per year. The environmental impact is limited and I suspect far less than the impact of destroying existing stock, making new ones and shipping them.
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Post by Jan on Apr 28, 2018 21:25:01 GMT
There’s a certain pleasure in seeing the Europhile NT feebly trying to influence the EU Commission (who are behind this) by telling us to write to our MPs. Our MPs have no control or influence over the EU at all. That’s the point. You need to organise a majority of MEPs across Europe to have a chance. Good luck with that.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 29, 2018 7:32:04 GMT
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2018 8:54:44 GMT
We do know it would cripple shows and require expensive trashing of the majority of current lamps and buying a ton to replace them. As happened to many small but less glamorous businesses when we joined the EEC (one might almost think those regulations were brought in to enable megabusinesses to do a land-grab....). I'm all in favour of tightening environmental regulations but dear god this seems the most trivial bit of deckchairs on the Titanic stuff - if you want to save a ton of energy, require all homes bar historic listed ones be properly insulated, with state funding if necessary. And go back to 1980s levels of ablutions and laundering - washing machines seem to be on permanently, wasting water, lecky and filling the seas with detergents and man-made fibres.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2018 9:00:28 GMT
Well, um, Britain won't be in the EU so can't we manufacture our own? You know, like we used to? We seem to have this bizarre narrative that we can't do anything ourselves, when we used to do everything.
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Post by firefingers on Apr 29, 2018 10:25:13 GMT
Well, um, Britain won't be in the EU so can't we manufacture our own? You know, like we used to? We seem to have this bizarre narrative that we can't do anything ourselves, when we used to do everything. The market is sadly too small as lamps are currently produced globally for the global market (It's like expecting your local shop to keep stocking wagon wheels even though youre the only person who buys them), and at the rate we are going we will be in transition from the EU for many years. The worry is that we will be bound by EU regulations whilst we transition but have relinquished our say in those regulations. There is also the issue of international tours, the UK produces theatre that goes global, and has shows that come here, and designers battling with very different kit will seriously hamper their work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 10:33:43 GMT
Well, um, Britain won't be in the EU so can't we manufacture our own? You know, like we used to? We seem to have this bizarre narrative that we can't do anything ourselves, when we used to do everything. It's more a matter of volume than ability. Manufacturing components for a tiny market is hideously expensive and it's difficult to find anyone who wants to do it because they'll be aware that they could be using the same space in their factory for something more popular and lucrative. It can be done — there are still a few places in the world making photographic film, for example — but it's inevitable that as more people switch over to systems that are easier to source the market will shrink, prices will rise and eventually the last remaining manufacturer will decide the remaining market isn't large enough or stable enough to be worth the risk.
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Post by Jan on Apr 29, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
Well, um, Britain won't be in the EU so can't we manufacture our own? You know, like we used to? We seem to have this bizarre narrative that we can't do anything ourselves, when we used to do everything. We can but it seems we’ve agreed to follow all EU rules till at least December 2020 and well beyond that if the Remainers prevail. The issue really is that as soon as this rules takes effect all theatres will have to start to swap out lights with approved replacements and that one-off cost over a short period will bankrupt many. Still, as we have been lectured to by the EU that we can’t pick and choose which rules we follow that’s too bad. This in microcosm demonstrates the democratic deficit in the EU - no UK government would even propose an environmental measure like this which would impact theatres in such a dramatic way.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2018 11:57:46 GMT
Manufacturing components for a tiny market My family do exactly that for vintage motorbikes and other vehicles: it's very niche and certainly not lucrative but keeping these things going is a labour of love. Another friend is annoyed that his family photographic business was dismantled, when there now seems to be a resurgence of interest in the older techniques (see also, vinyl - I see even audio cassettes being revived!).
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2018 12:05:07 GMT
we can’t pick and choose which rules we follow France does! I suspect many other countries too.
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Post by lynette on May 5, 2018 8:18:02 GMT
What is this about the Theatre lighting not being legal anymore under new EU rules? I listened to a news clip yesterday and it seems Theatre lighting is no longer ok, but the new lights are not good enough. I suppose nobody in the EU 'what shall we change now?' council goes to the Theatre, or is this a conspiracy to 'turn back the clock' in the U.K. or will the EU just dilly dally until we can bring 8n an exemption under 'new' similar but not quite the same EU laws in 2020 or thereabouts?
Anyone in the lighting department know more?
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Post by firefingers on May 5, 2018 8:20:49 GMT
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Post by lynette on May 5, 2018 9:37:41 GMT
Thank you 😘
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Post by lynette on May 5, 2018 9:40:45 GMT
Interesting that the bloke I heard who purported to be from the NT was so sanguine about it all. Well, there you are kind of thing. We can now go ahead and turn this concrete bunker into a casino owned by a Chinese Triad... and make some money... don’t need silly theatre lights.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 7, 2018 22:39:02 GMT
Dare say you could always be bold and bring back the limelight!!!
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Post by TallPaul on May 8, 2018 11:11:33 GMT
Dare say you could always be bold and bring back the limelight!!! Some of 'us' never stepped out of it, darling!!!
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