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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 11:40:56 GMT
Picking up on the discussion about (the apparently not very good, yet) Pinocchio and ongoing work taking place during previews, what are some of the longest previews you can remember? Harry P must be up there because that was a ridiculously long time, even for a very technical show. Any more examples? And any examples of shows that have changed notably during the preview period?
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Post by notmymuse on Dec 3, 2017 11:49:01 GMT
Ones that spring to mind are Dusty at Charing Cross (several months of previews if I recall, and big changes) and Spiderman. Quite a few have had 2 or 3 weeks I think.
Are previews a fairly modern thing? I'm sure I don't remember them from more than 10 years ago it so. Things would tour or open in ab regional theatre before transferring I think, or is that my memory failing?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 3, 2017 11:51:40 GMT
How about out of town tryouts prior to Broadway or Wendy’s End?
Follies and Company has epic amounts of performances before making it to Broadway
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 11:53:17 GMT
I wonder if the latest Ghost tour with you-know-who counts, given that they never had a Press night maybe the whole tour was in preview.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:23:06 GMT
On Broadway Sarava on 1979 (musicalisation of a Brazilian Soap opera with a score by Man of La Mancha’s Mitch Leigh) kept putting any opening back so critics went and reviewed it anyway. Nick and a Nora (husband and wife detective team with a score by Charles ‘Annie’ Strouse) in the early nineties seemed to go on forever as they tried to fix it. Latterly beaten by Spiderman as they tried the same.
Sarava - 38 previews Nick and Nora - 71 previews Spiderman - 182 previews
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Post by Jan on Dec 3, 2017 12:38:31 GMT
What definition are we using for previews ? I'm thinking of the Nunn/McKellen King Lear where they postponed the actual opening night by quite a bit (as Frances Barber was injured) so were there more previews in that case ?
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Post by martin1965 on Dec 3, 2017 13:05:31 GMT
On Broadway Sarava on 1979 (musicalisation of a Brazilian Soap opera with a score by Man of La Mancha’s Mitch Leigh) kept putting any opening back so critics went and reviewed it anyway. Nick and a Nora (husband and wife detective team with a score by Charles ‘Annie’ Strouse) in the early nineties seemed to go on forever as they tried to fix it. Latterly beaten by Spiderman as they tried the same. Sarava - 38 previews Nick and Nora - 71 previews Spiderman - 182 previews I saw Nick and Nora in autumn 91. Recall it as being ok. Thinking back v cast, Barry Bostwick, Joanna Gleason, Christine Baranski and Chris Sarandon. It clearly had a lot of prbs though.
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Post by martin1965 on Dec 3, 2017 13:07:49 GMT
What definition are we using for previews ? I'm thinking of the Nunn/McKellen King Lear where they postponed the actual opening night by quite a bit (as Frances Barber was injured) so were there more previews in that case ? Yea they postponed the PN , but the other performances with Barber's US werent as i recall previews as we know them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:10:57 GMT
I don't know any examples, but aren't there some shows which never had a national press performance?
EDIT: Just read Burly Bear's post about Ghost. Any others?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:17:07 GMT
I don't know any examples, but aren't there some shows which never had a national press performance? Broadway musicals such as Rachael Lily Rosenbloom, The Little Prince, One Night Stand, Breakfast at Tiffany”s, Truckload, Senator Joe.
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Post by profquatermass on Dec 3, 2017 13:22:04 GMT
Did Spiderman ever get a press night?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:26:42 GMT
Actually, I remember now that there were loads of reviews of the NT's Paintframe productions in Programme One but none at all of Programme Two which opened the next night. Most of the London critics had decamped to Edinburgh and The Guardian review of Programme One was by one of its blog journalists (now abandoned).
Also, many productions outside London get zero national coverage - all the London critics descend upon the same shows like a flock of crows and, as a pack, ignore all the others. It doesn't have much to do with relative quality of the shows - more, whether they feature a "star" London performer or creative.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 16:16:20 GMT
What in God’s name was going on with Spiderman to merit 182 previews? Was it that bad?
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Post by steve10086 on Dec 3, 2017 18:02:33 GMT
‘Dance of the Vampires’ on Broadway had 61 previews, and only 56 performances after opening!
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Post by viserys on Dec 3, 2017 18:19:20 GMT
What in God’s name was going on with Spiderman to merit 182 previews? Was it that bad? Others probably know more, but I think the initial problem was that they weren't happy with Julie Taymor's direction/story and started from scratch in the middle of previews and at one point there was also a serious accident. There were major problems with Spidy "flying" through the theatre too. The music was by U2's Bono and The Edge who basically just phoned it in with no actual interest in or passion for musical theatre (like Elton John for example). I did see it and it wasn't that bad really. I just think Taymor's version had been something new and fresh and different that might actually have been of more interest for the theatre-going target group. The actual Spiderman target group, spotty teenagers over-saturated on CGI-filled superheros didn't care and for most theatre-goers it was too naff. That said, I had mentioned the show to a few people who aren't into musicals and always got the same "What the hell, is nothing sacred?!" reaction. That's the problem with fleecing big well-known franchises like this, Lord of the Rings or if they'd ever do a Star Wars musical. IMHO musical adaptations only work when the film is either not terribly well known, so the musical feels like something fresh or when the movie had a lot of music/dance elements so putting it on stage actually ads something.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 3, 2017 19:12:32 GMT
Even Groundhog Day got that ‘what the hell?!’ reaction - people seem to automatically perceive stage adaptations of well-loved films as an artistically bankrupt money-grab no matter the intentions or pedigree of the creatives involved.
Funny that it doesn’t happen the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 20:41:59 GMT
Bend it like Beckham
Had over 5 weeks of previews Maybe almost 6
Stand up Stand up and sing Stand up Stand up and sing
Billy Elliot even more than that
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Post by Jon on Dec 3, 2017 23:18:58 GMT
Even Groundhog Day got that ‘what the hell?!’ reaction - people seem to automatically perceive stage adaptations of well-loved films as an artistically bankrupt money-grab no matter the intentions or pedigree of the creatives involved. Funny that it doesn’t happen the other way around. It's no different from Hollywood adapting superheroes or doing live action versions of previous hits. Producers want a familiar title or hook to appeal to audiences. But they were adapting books, plays and yes, films into musicals even 50-60 years ago, it's not a recent thing
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Post by viserys on Dec 4, 2017 8:06:19 GMT
Even Groundhog Day got that ‘what the hell?!’ reaction - people seem to automatically perceive stage adaptations of well-loved films as an artistically bankrupt money-grab no matter the intentions or pedigree of the creatives involved. Funny that it doesn’t happen the other way around. It's no different from Hollywood adapting superheroes or doing live action versions of previous hits. Producers want a familiar title or hook to appeal to audiences. But they were adapting books, plays and yes, films into musicals even 50-60 years ago, it's not a recent thing Yes but 50-60 years they only used the source material to create something fresh, i.e. Romeo & Juliet was the source for West Side Story, but turned it into a (then) contemporary story of friction in New York with everyone having new names and so it felt different and fresh. Carousel was based on the Hungarian play Liliom and while it's basically the same story, it was again a completely different setting with new names and locations. South Pacific is a mash-up of two short stories from Michener's Tales of the South Pacific and so on. If I'd compare this to today's stuff, I'd say Hamilton gets there (by drawing from Alexander Hamilton's biography but giving it a completely fresh contemporary twist) or Great Comet, which draws on War and Peace, but again turns it into something fresh and different. Too many of today's move adaptations are just really lame 1:1 copies with a few songs thrown in. For me one of the worst-case examples was Ghost, where everyone was just waiting for the famous movie scenes, like the pottery scene, with a bunch of mediocre songs thrown at it. Once in a while you get something exceptional like Groundhog Day, where Minchin's songs and lyrics really add something to the story and make it feel fresh, but too many musicals fail there. So for me it works better when the movie is already half forgotten like Kinky Boots was - and this is also a case where the live action on stage (Lola and her Angels mostly) also add a new layer. And of this is nothing compared to the MASSIVE franchises that's stuff like Star Wars, Spiderman/anything superhero, Lord of the Rings, etc. I think Harry Potter would have been ripped to shreds, if they had simply brought the first book onto the stage and not actually created a new story for the stage. Which is what Taymor had tried to do for Spiderman - add something new and different, but it failed. I think people get more and more tired of the relentless milking of franchises. When the new Lord of the Rings adaptation for Amazon Prime was announced, there seemed to be more of a collective groan than an actual "yay, more LOTR!" reaction from the fandom. And as much as I love Game of Thrones, I wouldn't touch these present stage "spoofs" with a ten foot pole because they just reek of money-grubbing and cashing in to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 8:22:11 GMT
If anyone's interested in knowing more about the Spider-Man musical, there's actually a book on the subject by show co-writer Glen Berger, called 'Song of Spider-Man: The Inside Story of the Most Controversial Musical in Broadway History'.
Is anyone familiar with the musical Oh Captain!? Opened on Broadway in 1958, based on a 1953 movie called The Captain's Paradise. There's not a lot of information immediately available, but what little there is suggests that aside from changing the locations and adding a bunch of songs, it wasn't exactly a bold reimagining of the original source. Movies into musicals has been going on for DECADES and although they aren't all automatically artistically bankrupt, equally the older ones aren't all automatically springboarding from a vague source to a dazzling reinterpretation. Stop decrying the practice as "evidence of the sad state of modern Broadway" or whatever.
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Post by Stasia on Dec 4, 2017 11:13:28 GMT
Picking up on the discussion about (the apparently not very good, yet) Pinocchio and ongoing work taking place during previews, what are some of the longest previews you can remember? Harry P must be up there because that was a ridiculously long time, even for a very technical show. Any more examples? And any examples of shows that have changed notably during the preview period? Harry Potter is basically TWO shows so I guess their preview time should be divided by 2 to count properly the amount of shows they did.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 8:53:47 GMT
King Lear/The Seagull - RSC
Previewed for months!
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