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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 9, 2017 17:24:57 GMT
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 10, 2017 7:20:00 GMT
Many thanks for the replies so far. My credit card is anticipating some heavy action.
Interesting that no one is choosing Video favourites? On C4 years ago they had a series of his shows at Christmas. I was really intrigued by Bernadette Peters in ITW. However that film and also the one of Sweeney, left me cold. The Liz Taylor ALNM was often cited as terrible and I think it’s release was delayed for some years? Anyone seen it? Anyone seen the film where he wrote the script with Anthony Perkins? Worth seeking?
I went out last night so apologies for neglecting my duties. Back to Part 2.
These were the next 7. Recommendations please.
Sunday in the Park with George Company Assassins West Side Story Merrily We Roll Along A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum Gypsy
Still happy to receive more recommendations on the top 3 and on Wednesday we'll ask for any others to be added.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 9:37:20 GMT
No-one but NO-ONE does "A customer!" quite like Angela Lansbury doing her best Dick Van Dyke impression in 'Worst Pies in London'. And I am unanimous in that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 13:19:40 GMT
Sunday in the Park with George - OBC is the tops but the 2006 recording deserves a mention just to hear the different spare orchestrations, and Evans' and Russell's vocals. But how can you beat Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters? (Side note: I wish there was a recording of the original London production with Philip Quast and Maria Friedman).
Company - Though the OBC is a classic, my personal favorite recording is the 2006 John Doyle revival. It's so clean and crisp, and the new orchestrations are gorgeous. The original often sounds clunky and dated to my ears… some of the orchestrations are very 70s, and some of the voices can be grating. That being said Elaine Stritch is a goddess of the theatre and her iconic Joanne deserves to be owned on record.
West Side Story - so many recordings of this show. There's the OBC which makes the score sound fresh and exciting (because it was); there's the 2009 Broadway cast recording with some of the lyrics controversially in Spanish (this recording overall is bland, though I think it's worth having for the top-notch band that they had; Maria Scaglione leaves a lot to be desired as Maria); there's also the Bernstein-conducted studio cast with Kiri Te Kanawa and Jose Carreras which is a guilty pleasure of mine because of the magnificent voices (a lot of people understandably think they are not suited at all to the score, but I think it's fun to listen to what they do with the music - the film documenting the recording of the score is hysterical for many reasons and worth watching); there's a couple of other studio recordings including a complete rendering of the score on the JAY label conducted by John Owen Edwards featuring Caroline O'Connor as Anita. The 2009 would be my favourite (perhaps) if it weren't for the new translation of lyrics - so I would guiltily say the Te Kanawa recording because it's overseen by the composer himself (how often do we get to have that kind of luxury?). For purists I'd imagine the OBC is at the top of the list.
Merrily We Roll Along - the OBC is charming and preserves that beautiful original cast of the production that closed after only a handful of performances - their innocence and eagerness is undeniably plastered all over the recording and it's adorable; the JAY recording featuring the London company of the show with Maria Friedman et al is more complete and is a superb offering of the score; the 2012 New York cast recording is also pretty complete and features some lovely performances (particularly Celia Keenan Bolger as Mary)… I think when push comes to shove, I would go with the OBC because it's such an historical production. (Why oh why didn't they record the 2013 London revival with Damien Humbley and Jenna Russell…?)
Gypsy - This is such a smack down of recordings. I think the OBC is essential to have because of Merman's iconic performance, and to me the only other one really worth having is the 2008 LuPone recording because she is such a force of nature, and the entire company and orchestra is superb. You can physically smell the depth of that production just from the recording alone. The other stage recordings - 1973 Lansbury, 1989 Daly, 2003 Peters, 2015 Staunton - have their merits but all collapse due to one thing or another, but mostly the vocal limitations of all four ladies (Peters fares the best of the lot in that regard). The two Gypsy films are horrendous, and so I would never allow myself to have either of those soundtracks.
I would say overall, with most musicals, it's worth having the original cast recording as a blueprint and then there is always at least one revival recording that is worth having (if not two).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:13:24 GMT
I find Nicholas Parsons annoying in the OLC recording of Woods (he cannot sing in Ever After!!) and find the posh English accents offputting. This. I like Nicholas Parsons, but can't get along with him in the OLC. The Broadway also has a far superior Little Red - 'I Know Things Now' is a very smart little song, but the plummy accent in the London cast is a real turn-off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:17:45 GMT
(Why oh why didn't they record the 2013 London revival with Damien Humbley and Jenna Russell…?) It was broadcast in cinemas, and released later (in video) on Digital Theatre. Sadly now deleted, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:26:03 GMT
These were the next 7. Recommendations please. Sunday in the Park with George Company Assassins West Side Story Merrily We Roll Along A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum Gypsy Still happy to receive more recommendations on the top 3 and on Wednesday we'll ask for any others to be added. I'll just quickly leave here Bernadette's 'Not a Day Goes By'. The whole of that Festival Hall show is also up on Youtube. And this is a nice 52 minute Sondheim conversation around ITW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 20:37:33 GMT
(Why oh why didn't they record the 2013 London revival with Damien Humbley and Jenna Russell…?) It was broadcast in cinemas, and released later (in video) on Digital Theatre. Sadly now deleted, I think. I mean an audio studio CD release… I was discussing cast recordings not video recordings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:37:17 GMT
I think we should start a petition or something like that to get merrily and into the woods back on digital theatre and even a DVD release as I live listening to the shows but never saw these versions. I'm sur someone on here those people who could sort it out,right?
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Post by sayers500 on Jul 11, 2017 11:37:11 GMT
Sunday The OBC cuts a lot of lyrics in Putting it Together and Color and Light but is still far and away the best recording. As much as I adore Evans and Russel, they are no match for Peters and Patinkin. Also, the full orchestra on the OBC and the nice extra tracks like the cheesy Julie Walters putting it Together and the Carnegie Hall recording of Sunday makes it my favourite. The 2006 recording also includes too much dialogue for me which tends to annoy me, especially when they have full tracks which are just dialogue!!
Company The John Doyle/ Raul Esparza recording of Company is my favourite as it escapes that 70s feel of the OBC because of the new orchestrations and it has the most tuneful rendition of 'the Little things you do together' with other versions just tending to descend to gruff shouts. I have a soft spot for the Donmar recording though, and love to hear Adrian Lester Rebecca Front, Sophie Thompson, Anna Francolini and Clive Rowe (incidentally whose Enoch on the National's recording of Carousel is astonishing!). They are incredible and it's fascinating to hear people like Rebecca Front who never really is on stage nowadays take a part in that show. The film of that production is on YouTube and definitely a favourite film recording of mine (certainly a million times better than the NPH concert staging).
Assassins Have only ever listened to the OBC which is pretty great!
West Side Story I will always love the film soundtrack. I also occasionally listen to the Carreras/ Kiwi the Kanawa recording which is hilarious as it shows that opera singers can't necessarily turn their hand to musicals and be as brilliant (te Kanawa's recording of My Fair Lady with Jeremy Irons is another entertaining example). Their is a pretty funny Toutube video of Carreras trying to record 'something's coming' and Bernstein getting furious as he rushes every time.
Merrily It's interesting comparing the OBC to subsequent recordings to examine the structural and lyrical changes. My favourite is the Friedman/ Pappas Leicester recording which has the most heart and the least dialogue. I also like the Lin Manuel recording but I find it unforgivable that 'Good Thing Going' is shared between Frank and Charley.
Funny thing happened Have only listened to the OBC and can't imagine any recording topping it. Zero is great and 'I'm Calm' and 'that dirty old man' both are examples or genius comic turns.
Gypsy The Merman OBC is extraordinary and the extra tracks make it pretty hard to top. That being said, the last London recording with Staunton comes close and I probably listen to this recording more now. Maybe it's just because I saw it live but Rose's Turn and Everything's Coming Up Roses always leaves me with tears when I listen to the London recording. All I need is the girl is also superior in the London recording. It is also a more complete recording, including the Toreadorable scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:42:42 GMT
Also does anyone know when the 2017 Sunday recoriding will be released, can't wait to listen to it and hope it com s to London
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:44:49 GMT
Oh I adore Merm as Mama Rose but I do have a soft spot for the Patti LuPone 'Gypsy' recording. I just love how Patti just grabs you by the throat and doesn't let go for the entire thing. She attacks each song with her PLP lazy diction and all the subtlety of a house brick through your kitchen window. No-one matches her "I'll get it, and get my kids . . . OUT!" in 'Some People'. It's a work of genius with a capital GENIUS.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 13, 2017 7:20:21 GMT
Many thanks to those who posted so far, I will produce a single list or recommendations Sunday evening.
So what’s left? Well there’s the shows that are tied 11th! Plus recordings of special concerts, celebrations and events. Would also like to hear of any great CD’s of Sondheim’s work by single artists.
Finally, where should the serious devotee look to for more on Sondheim, Web sites? Associations?
Please feel free to open the discussion wider if you feel there’s something worth discussing that hasn’t been covered so far.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 13, 2017 7:20:53 GMT
OT. In Part one of Finishing the Hat he discusses Rhyme’s and why perfect ones are best as they allow the mind to move on. He dismisses most rock songs for their imperfect rhymes. He then disparages a rock writer who proudly says he’s writing a musical and who thinks imperfect Rhymes will do just fine.
Anyone figure out who he’s referring to? Would Paul Simon fit the timeline?
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 14, 2017 12:10:36 GMT
Ok I’ll start!
Follies. I have the London revival cast recording and it may be more faithful/complete/authentic whatever, BUT the Concert version with Stritch/Cook/Burnett/Remick/etc/etc is an EVENT and for pure musical pleasure it’s a great album.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 12:44:45 GMT
OT. In Part one of Finishing the Hat he discusses Rhyme’s and why perfect ones are best as they allow the mind to move on. He dismisses most rock songs for their imperfect rhymes. He then disparages a rock writer who proudly says he’s writing a musical and who thinks imperfect Rhymes will do just fine. Anyone figure out who he’s referring to? Would Paul Simon fit the timeline? Probably not. FTH was published 2010, long after The Capeman. Spiderman: Turn off The Dark, maybe (2010). Memphis was 2009, so could possibly fit, depending on when the book was being written.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 12:58:08 GMT
OT. In Part one of Finishing the Hat he discusses Rhyme’s and why perfect ones are best as they allow the mind to move on. He dismisses most rock songs for their imperfect rhymes. He then disparages a rock writer who proudly says he’s writing a musical and who thinks imperfect Rhymes will do just fine. Anyone figure out who he’s referring to? Would Paul Simon fit the timeline? Oddly enough it was Paul Simon that wrote the review of Sondheim's book for the NYT.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 14, 2017 15:07:40 GMT
Thank you for that I really enjoyed the review. As well as through his works his books will live on as an influence lyricists for generatiosn to come.
I ws hoping it wasn't Paul Simon but couldn't think who esle it might be? Should have checked the dates.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 16, 2017 21:17:54 GMT
SO that’s it we now have a list of recommend recordings for our Top 10. Feel free to add more recommendations but these will do as a starter. I have currently have five new CD’s coming my way!
OBC Original Broadway Cast OLC Original London Cast NT National Theatre
Sweeney Todd OBC Landsbury etc 3 Votes Ball/Staunton
A Little Night Music OBC Glynns etc. 3 Votes NT Dench etc
Into the Woods OLC MacKenzie 3 Votes
Sunday in the Park with George OBC 3 Votes
Company OBC 2006 revival John Doyle/Raul Esparza 2 Votes Donmar Production Adrian Lester
Assassins OBC
West Side Story OBC Film Soundtrack Te Kanawa/Careras/Bersntein.
Merrily we Roll Along OBC 2 votes Friedman/Pappas
A Funny thing Happened on the Way To The Forum OBC
Gypsy OBC 3 Votes 2008 Lupone 2 Votes London Revival Staunton
Again, many thanks to everyone who has participated.
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