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Post by viserys on Sept 14, 2016 9:33:39 GMT
For those who are sore that they missed the recent revised version of Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" which failed to make it to Broadway: Stage Entertainment just announced that they will stage it in Berlin's Theater des Westens from spring 2017. Of course it will be in German and of course it will be massively overpriced, but hey ho. Just putting it here in case anyone is interested.
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Post by Michael on Sept 14, 2016 11:18:46 GMT
And many cast members will have the usual problems with the German pronunciation.
I think I'll give it a miss and rather keep the fond memories of the La Jolla production I saw in 2014.
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Post by ali973 on Sept 15, 2016 23:19:30 GMT
Is this based on the original staging they did? I'd love to see it and will certainly aim to. The choral work in Someday sounded amazing. And when you said "recent", I wonder if you meant that production circa 1999, i.e. 17 years ago
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Post by Michael on Sept 16, 2016 6:54:55 GMT
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Post by viserys on Sept 16, 2016 7:05:55 GMT
Like Michael said, by "recent" I meant the new staging at La Jolla/Papermill which had obviously been hoping to reach Broadway but didn't.
Germany/Holland seem to be the Last Chance Saloon for Disney croppers. Tarzan was a big flop on Broadway, but did (does) very well in the Netherlands and Germany. The Little Mermaid at least got a Dutch tour but didn't make it across the border. I assume that if Hunchback becomes a moderate success in Germany it will also go to the Netherlands (so I'll see it there for half the price).
Come 2017, Stage Entertainment will have 5 Disney productions playing in their 8 commercial theatres: Lion King, Aladdin, Mary Poppins, Tarzan and Hunchback. It's apparently the only kind of bright colourful musical Germans are still willing to fork out the ludicrous prices for.
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2017 19:09:14 GMT
Cast has been announced for Hunchback in Berlin: Jens Janke (Clopin), Felix Martin (Frollo), David Jakobs (Glöckner), Sarah Bowden (Esmeralda) and Maximilian Mann (Phoebus). Ensemble: James Cook, Guido Gottenbos, Jonas Hein, Johannes Kiesler, Kevin Köhler, Kristina Love, Chiara Ludemann, Oliver Mülich, Dorit Oitzinger, Sina Pirouzi, Daniel Rakasz, Barbara Raunegger, Tim Reichwein, Romeo Salazar, Mike Sandomeno, Daniel Therrien, Milan van Waardenburg, Wiebke Wötzel und Alexander Zamponi.
I'm still in two minds whether or not to see this. On the one hand, I love Hunchback - one of the best scores out there, but OTOH, I'm not sure if I can sit through a crappy German translation.
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Post by ali973 on Feb 28, 2017 3:21:32 GMT
Agh..Felix Martin. Not what I had in mind for Frollo.
Was the La Jolla version that bad? On Broadwayworld everyone puts blame on Schwartz supposedly in inapt son, who they all claim is the biggest failure as director.
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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2017 5:53:05 GMT
Agh..Felix Martin. Not what I had in mind for Frollo. This is so odd - I haven't heard of any of those guys. Was the La Jolla version that bad? On Broadwayworld everyone puts blame on Schwartz supposedly in inapt son, who they all claim is the biggest failure as director. Hard to say. There were a few weird choices, but nothing that couldn't have been evened out. As I was sure it was going to Broadway afterwards, I've skipped the 2nd tryout at the Paper Mill Playhouse so I can't say how much they've changed between La Jolla and Millburn. From what I've heard, the choir was one of the reasons that it didn't end up on Broadway. Too big, too expensive... at least we got a cast recording.
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Post by Kenneth_C on Feb 28, 2017 7:10:05 GMT
Was the La Jolla version that bad? On Broadwayworld everyone puts blame on Schwartz supposedly in inapt son, who they all claim is the biggest failure as director. I was sick on the day I had a ticket to the La Jolla production, so was unable to attend. But I caught the Glenn Casale-directed Hunchback last year in La Mirada. From what I've heard, it fixes some of the problems with the La Jolla/Papermill version. Unfortunately, it is still far from perfect. (FYI, the film is one of my favorites from Disney's Renaissance, despite all the distortions to the source material.) The good news is that the stage musical is far closer to the book than the movie. The bad news is that the stage musical is far closer to the book than the movie. The ending is vastly improved, with the fates of the characters resembling those in the book. The beginning is needlessly drawn out, with an extended prologue about Frollo and his brother being ultimately superfluous. (I couldn't help feeling that Hunchback wanted to be like that other musical based on a novel by Victor Hugo.) The score is (a) glorious, and (b) monotonous. It features some of Menken's best work, but there are far too many choral passages. At times you feel as if you're listening to an album of Gregorian chants. Too often the score just reiterates what we can see. For example: Quasi and Phoebus sing about searching for the Court of Miracles while we watch them search for the Court of Miracles. (Columns move while the actors skulk, sing & look around. And it's boring.) "Hellfire" needed to be much more dynamic. It's stunning in the film, and staging it simply with Frollo on his knees confessing really didn't cut it. The big special effects scenes, like the pouring of the molten lead, were not licked. Red, fluttering cloth really didn't do it. The BEST thing about the La Mirada production was the casting of John McGinty as Quasi. He's a deaf actor, and spoke the dialogue beautifully (in a powerful, slightly hollow-sounding voice). His singing voice was provided by Dino Nicandros, who played one of the gargoyles (which also served to make their inclusion in the piece thematically sound). I still get chills recalling their joint rendition of "Out There". McGinty's signing/miming + Nicandros vocals = Pure theatrical magic! In the end, I'm very glad I saw Hunchback. There was much to like, but also much to critique. I really think there's a great musical in there; it just hasn't been brought out. A short video promo of the production:
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Post by ali973 on Feb 28, 2017 8:59:09 GMT
Has anyone here seen the original Berlin version? I remember a glorious Hell Fire sung by Norbert Lamla, where Esmeralda appears to him as a nymph (made out of a very delicate fabric shaped like a woman) and finally flies away on the last big note. Gorgeous staging.
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Post by groupbooker on Apr 10, 2017 16:17:20 GMT
Came up on face book yesterday, that the La Jolla and Paper Mill production of The Hunchback of Notre Dame will start in Berlin at the Theatre des Westerns in April 2017!!
Lets hope Disney may have seen the light and get rid of Aladdin and bring it over here??
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Post by Jon on Apr 10, 2017 16:21:09 GMT
Aladdin is still selling very well so I doubt Disney will close it anytime soon and I suspect Hunchback would struggle in a theatre like the Prince Edward, it would fare better at the National or Old Vic for a limited run
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Post by viserys on Apr 10, 2017 17:28:21 GMT
It actually opened in Berlin (where the world premiere took place in... I wanna say 1998?) yesterday. Will be a limited run though, then tour as producer Stage Entertainment seems to have understood that people don't travel for musicals anymore, so they have to bring the musicals to them.
I didn't like the first version at all, perhaps this new version is better, no idea. Didn't even make it to Broadway. Will take a look when it tours to my neck of the woods eventually.
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Post by ali973 on Apr 10, 2017 17:37:42 GMT
On BroadwayWorld, pretty much the entire forum have labeled the production as misdirected by Stephen Schwartz incompetent director child, Scott Schwartz. The anti-Scott Schwartz feedback have been quite consistent in its criticism of his continuously bad directorial track record. I haven't seen the La Jolla version, but can't come to grips with the changes in the opening, The Bells of Notre Dame that introduces Frollo's brother as Quasimodo's father. The entire approach sounds long winded. And I also don't like the way they've stripped down the choral arrangements of "Someday".
Here's a video of the original Berlin production, where Norbert Lamla sings Hellfire. The staging is really something.
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Post by Michael on Apr 10, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
Merged four posts into this thread.
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