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Post by max on Jul 7, 2024 8:54:00 GMT
There's no copyright on a life, so the real people of 'A United Kingdom' aren't a problem for anyone to depict.
It gets trickier when there's a film based on a book (Susan Williams' 'Colour Bar') if the book made some historical discoveries not previously in the public domain, and the film made some elisions and took some artistic licence that another adapter also wants to do.
The writers of the 'Benjamin Button' musical were interesting on this recently: the works of F Scott Fitzgerald are out of copyright now (hence all the adaptations of The Great Gatsby) but they haven't watched the film for fear of knowingly or unintentionally repeating an aspects of the film's adaptation, as that's still in copyright.
The worst is when you avoid the adapted property entirely but still make some of the same adaptation choices completely independently. How do you prove you reached that same decisions of your own volition? You can't.
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Post by max on Jul 7, 2024 12:30:30 GMT
I like to think of 'Next To Normal' as the 'Tell Me On A Sunday' sequel ALW doesn't need to write. She finally finds the right man, settles down, and happy ever af....oh dear
Any other ready made ALW sequels?
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Post by blamerobots on Aug 4, 2024 12:27:37 GMT
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Post by nottobe on Aug 4, 2024 13:03:23 GMT
Do we think it will star Patti Lupone and Carrie Hope Fletcher 😉?
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Post by Seriously on Aug 4, 2024 15:56:57 GMT
– he’s writing phenomenal melody – Just the one? |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 4, 2024 16:07:34 GMT
– he’s writing phenomenal melody – Just the one? That's all he needs Bring in a couple of tunes from past shows with a bit of a tweak here are there Plus the new melody and bish bash bosh, with lots of repeated recit and some forgettable filler, you have a show |
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Post by marob on Aug 4, 2024 16:10:57 GMT
That's all he needs Being in a couple of tunes from past shows with a bit of a tweak here are there Plus the new melody and bish bash bosh, with lots of repeated recit and some forgettable filler, you have a show Don’t forget the song that sounds very, very similar to an existing pop song. |
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Post by BVM on Aug 4, 2024 18:05:29 GMT
LOL - predictable hard eye roll from me.
All ALW musicals have 15 plus discreet melodies.
I appreciate acknowledging this isn't as fun as trotting out the untrue "ALW shows only have one tune" line though!
Twas ever thus.....
(On the tunes from other shows it's so minimal in proportion to his body of work. Though IMHO where done works brilliantly. Our Kind of Love was amazing in Beautiful Game and completely rearranged is amazing as Love Never Dies. Twisted Every Way is also superb in it's placement in LND. And the bridge from Tyre Tracks and Broken Hearts vastly improves I Am Me in Starlight!)
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Post by BVM on Aug 4, 2024 18:07:32 GMT
Do we think it will star Patti Lupone and Carrie Hope Fletcher 😉? LOL. At least the Patti spat had a bit of old school star class about it. The CHF social media one was low rent in comparison. I still dream of Patti and ALW kissing and making up...... Never gonna happen! Easily IMHO the best Norma equal with Scherzy! |
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Post by Seriously on Aug 4, 2024 18:51:54 GMT
All ALW musicals have 15 plus discreet melodies. Just fondly remembering those 15 "discreet" melodies from Stephen Ward. They were so "discreet" I didn't even notice them. |
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Post by distantcousin on Aug 5, 2024 10:43:45 GMT
LOL - predictable hard eye roll from me. All ALW musicals have 15 plus discreet melodies. I appreciate acknowledging this isn't as fun as trotting out the untrue "ALW shows only have one tune" line though! Twas ever thus..... (On the tunes from other shows it's so minimal in proportion to his body of work. Though IMHO where done works brilliantly. Our Kind of Love was amazing in Beautiful Game and completely rearranged is amazing as Love Never Dies. Twisted Every Way is also superb in it's placement in LND. And the bridge from Tyre Tracks and Broken Hearts vastly improves I Am Me in Starlight!) I know. Boring, right? I've performed in 4 ALW shows and it's a regular dig I hear from fellow cast members - "there's only 3 songs in this" etc. I think someone even had the temerity to say this when we did Evita, FFS! I always feel like slapping back and saying "name me a musical that doesn't have any melodies repeated in act 2!!" |
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Post by shownut on Aug 5, 2024 11:36:20 GMT
LOL - predictable hard eye roll from me. All ALW musicals have 15 plus discreet melodies. I appreciate acknowledging this isn't as fun as trotting out the untrue "ALW shows only have one tune" line though! Twas ever thus..... (On the tunes from other shows it's so minimal in proportion to his body of work. Though IMHO where done works brilliantly. Our Kind of Love was amazing in Beautiful Game and completely rearranged is amazing as Love Never Dies. Twisted Every Way is also superb in it's placement in LND. And the bridge from Tyre Tracks and Broken Hearts vastly improves I Am Me in Starlight!) I know. Boring, right? I've performed in 4 ALW shows and it's a regular dig I hear from fellow cast members - "there's only 3 songs in this" etc. I think someone even had the temerity to say this when we did Evita, FFS! I always feel like slapping back and saying "name me a musical that doesn't have any melodies repeated in act 2!!" Whoever said that in EVITA completely missed the point. The score is loaded with motifs that are meant to enhance the character i.e. the same melody Eva sings when she is ambitious and making a point to move forward: "All you've done to me was that a young girl's fantasy?" to Magaldi , "Don't think I don't think like you" to Peron and "I'don't really think I need the reasons why I won't succeed" to the audience....works a charm. None of it for the sake of merely being repetitive... |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Aug 5, 2024 11:48:44 GMT
Those same people also conveniently ignore Sondheim who does the exact same thing. In face some of his stuff could be interspersed among his shows.
And I say that as a Sondheim fan.
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Post by distantcousin on Aug 5, 2024 13:07:52 GMT
Those same people also conveniently ignore Sondheim who does the exact same thing. In face some of his stuff could be interspersed among his shows. And I say that as a Sondheim fan. 100% I love "Sonders" but it is infuriating and double-standard that his devotees give him a free pass on this. |
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Post by BVM on Aug 7, 2024 15:51:32 GMT
LOL - predictable hard eye roll from me. All ALW musicals have 15 plus discreet melodies. I appreciate acknowledging this isn't as fun as trotting out the untrue "ALW shows only have one tune" line though! Twas ever thus..... (On the tunes from other shows it's so minimal in proportion to his body of work. Though IMHO where done works brilliantly. Our Kind of Love was amazing in Beautiful Game and completely rearranged is amazing as Love Never Dies. Twisted Every Way is also superb in it's placement in LND. And the bridge from Tyre Tracks and Broken Hearts vastly improves I Am Me in Starlight!) I know. Boring, right? I've performed in 4 ALW shows and it's a regular dig I hear from fellow cast members - "there's only 3 songs in this" etc. I think someone even had the temerity to say this when we did Evita, FFS! I always feel like slapping back and saying "name me a musical that doesn't have any melodies repeated in act 2!!" Completely! It's just such a lazy thing to say - yet you hear it repeated ad nauseam despite it not being true. (And sung through musicals with no repeated themes would be impenetrable on first visit). |
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Post by max on Aug 7, 2024 17:57:04 GMT
Yes, that's crazy to say about 'Evita'. I'd be so annoyed to hear a cast member saying that - I'd just think they were too thick to be in it ; ). It's the most complete and well worked out when it comes to the referring motifs, they all mean something (he got lazier with this in later shows).
Plus how many musicals have had 5 songs in the UK Top 40 singles chart? (even if two have the same melody).
In first release order: Dont Cry For me Argentina (in 3 versions) / Another Suitcase In Another Hall (2 versions) / I'd Be Surprisingly Good For You / Oh! What A Circus / You Must Love Me.
Could have been six: 'Buenos Aires' was sheduled as a single for Madonna, but plans changed. The dance mixes were club hits though (and sound great, and quite explicit: 'Do me, Do me, Don't Hold Back')
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Post by danb on Aug 7, 2024 18:06:37 GMT
He’s no slouch with the repeated tunes/motifs either is he? Like you say he’s really creative with them, so that sometimes its only a familiar sliver that gives way to a familiar melody. I’m no fan of him re-using tunes from other shows, but in the same show? Creatively? Knock yourself out. Its a damn sight better than 2 hours of dirge that most new musicals foist on us with 2 good ones.
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Post by max on Sept 29, 2024 13:35:26 GMT
Sunday Times interview with ALW today. His next show is based on a film - it's not 'A United Kingdom' as some on the board hoped.
"He is scoring a new musical, based on a film, that he hopes to open in 2026. All he can say for now is that Chris Terrio, who wrote the Oscar-winning film Argo about the storming of the US embassy in Iran, is co-creating and that it is set in Vienna in 1900. “It will have moments nobody has seen done on a stage before.”"
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 29, 2024 14:09:30 GMT
Get your guesses in people.
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Post by marob on Sept 29, 2024 15:03:23 GMT
Tried googling… The Illusionist is set in Vienna in 1900, but that’s apparently being turned into a musical in Japan.
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Post by viserys on Sept 29, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
Tried googling… The Illusionist is set in Vienna in 1900, but that’s apparently being turned into a musical in Japan. That's never stopped people before - see the two Phantoms or right now the two Gatsbys. Sounds like a good choice to me, courting neither controversy nor trying to reach the "cool kids". |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 29, 2024 15:31:20 GMT
Reading the wiki about The Illusionist it sounds highly probable. Highly theatrical, romantic, show within a show and magic. Sounds like POTO!
Wouldn’t it be great if he pulled off another mega hit at his age?
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Post by viserys on Sept 29, 2024 15:34:40 GMT
Wouldn’t it be great if he pulled off another mega hit at his age? I'd honestly love nothing more for him and this sounds just like it could be "it" |
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 29, 2024 15:39:49 GMT
I wonder what the scale of this would be. If ALW knocked out another megamusical I'd love to see the kinds of cool effects he'd surely want in staging the scale of the film with the mansion. Some of the Harry Potter crew for set and effects?
I can imagine it staged almost like the original Sunset.
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Post by singingbird on Sept 29, 2024 16:24:14 GMT
I really hope this is the subject. It sounds perfect.
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